How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 7)

[Helicopter123]

bhstewie said:

Airbus Chief Executive said:

Please don't listen to the Brexiteers' madness which asserts that, because we have huge plants here, we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.

But what does he know?

Indeed, and yet Brexiteers continue their internal debate about what they actually voted for rather than confronting the clear and present danger now threatening to derail the UK economy.

[Digga]

Elysium said:

bhstewie said:

Airbus Chief Executive said:

Please don't listen to the Brexiteers' madness which asserts that, because we have huge plants here, we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.

But what does he know?

I agree with this:

Airbus said:

Mr Enders said it was a "disgrace" that businesses could still not plan for Brexit.

May's handling of Brexit is an omnishambles.

I do agree that for all businesses, of any size, which have any element of import/export integral to their working, it has been far from ideal. Airbus just has bigger, more influential PR than some bloke selling Chinese tat out of a small retail unit, but the aggregate effect on the economy, for all businesses is pronounced.

I'd like to go back to an earlier comment though, because I think it key:

crankedup said:

Balmoral said:

bhstewie said:

There is something really bloody depressing at how people want to keep harking back to WWII.

Agreed, along with all that guff about the old enemy, be it France or Germany.

Although it has its place and time that we are reminded of the past and that we learn those lessons. Which is why it is worrying to see the rise of the populist po.itical groups

In no way shape or form is the UK 'leaving' Europe. Ever. The economic and cultural successes of the UK and all other European nations are inextricably and mutually linked. It's no zero sum game. This is not WW2 all over again, any more than it's WW1 or even Waterloo. We have moved on.

Nonetheless, many in the UK, as well as a great many within the EU do feel that the EU is heading in the wrong direction on a number of key voter issues.

[Helicopter123]

pgh said:

Airbus have been repeatedly rolled out as EU spokesholes. Forgive me for giving what they say very little heed.

Are you claiming this as “fake news”?

[MDMetal]

Why's it take people so long to understand that people want out, MPs seem to be focused on the short term impacts instead of believing that a large number of people were voting with a longer term view?

Does anyone who voted leave seriously think the day after we leave it'll be milk and honey? Remainers and mp's seem to constantly say people were lied to that this would be the case but I've yet to meet a single real world person who thought that. Things maybe bumpy but there was a move to a long term view, wasn't that the point of a referendum to ask a question which affects us long term without clouded short term political nonsense?

All of this talk of people not knowing what they voted for is just plain daft, people voted to leave, most people have a broadish view of what that means not a tight definition. Let's not forget that generally in referendums the status quo is usually more attractive as well, people rarely vote for a shot in the dark unless there's a strong feeling. All of that and yet there's still a daily list of people who believe they know better than the person voting. The question wasn't about what was better or right it was about what people want.

[Balmoral]

Helicopter123 said:

pgh said:

Airbus have been repeatedly rolled out as EU spokesholes. Forgive me for giving what they say very little heed.

Are you claiming this as “fake news”?

If they were going to move the wing to elsewhere within the EU then fair point. But China? This is more of that global corporate bks hiding behind the excuse of brexit, the wing question and spectre of China has been going on for years.

[Piha]

Digga said:

In no way shape or form is the UK 'leaving' Europe. Ever. The economic and cultural successes of the UK and all other European nations are inextricably and mutually linked. It's no zero sum game. This is not WW2 all over again, any more than it's WW1 or even Waterloo. We have moved on.

Do you ever read the comments section on the daily mail online? I suggest you pop over there double quick, and explain to them that the UK isn't "leaving" Europe. Ever.

They might just disagree with you.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

Airbus Chief Executive said:

Please don't listen to the Brexiteers' madness which asserts that, because we have huge plants here, we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.

But what does he know?

"A truly global company
Because we are the most international aerospace and defence company in the world, you next job opportunity at the Airbus could be around the corner or halfway around the world"

First quote on their own website. https://www.airbus.com/careers/our-locations.html

They have plants in every part of the globe, not just in the EU.

They will move production only if the economics make it necessary, same as has always been the case.

[Balmoral]

jsf said:

They will move production only if the economics make it necessary, same as has always been the case.

And on past performance, OUT of Europe.

Although media analysis whilst hyping the broadside is also saying that whilst they could move, it's highly unlikely.

Edited by Balmoral on Thursday 24th January 09:07

[Piha]

jsf said:

"A truly global company
Because we are the most international aerospace and defence company in the world, you next job opportunity at the Airbus could be around the corner or halfway around the world"

First quote on their own website. https://www.airbus.com/careers/our-locations.html

They have plants in every part of the globe, not just in the EU.

They will move production only if the economics make it necessary, same as has always been the case.

Another quote from Enders "The UK's aerospace sector now stands at the precipice."

But I suppose internet expert "jsf" knows best.

[bitchstewie]

@jsf do you know more about running Airbus than the Chief Executive of Airbus?

How utterly bizarre.

[Piha]

pgh said:

Helicopter123 said:

Are you claiming this as “fake news”?

Not even that, although Airbus is one of few major UK employers under EU influence, so not particularly surprised to see them rolled out as things reach crunch time.

For me, it's just another corporation expressing an opinion on what makes it easiest for them to make money.

Do you mean like the Dyson Corp expressing their opinion (pre move to Singapore)?

[chrispmartha]

Piha said:

pgh said:

Helicopter123 said:

Are you claiming this as “fake news”?

Not even that, although Airbus is one of few major UK employers under EU influence, so not particularly surprised to see them rolled out as things reach crunch time.

For me, it's just another corporation expressing an opinion on what makes it easiest for them to make money.

Do you mean like the Dyson Corp expressing their opinion (pre move to Singapore)?

And Tim Martin from Wetherspoons? I mean what could he possibly gain from banging on about Leaving and posting this through letterboxes?

[Digga]

Balmoral said:

And on past performance, OUT of Europe.

Relevant, from the ECB today:

ECB said:

* Euro area composite PMI falls to 50.7 just as it ends its monthly QE stimulus

• Composite PMI for Germany recovered a little to 52.1 "but the growth performance signalled by the index was still one of the worst over the past four years.

• Composite PMI for the economy of France was 47.9 in January even weaker than for protest hit December meaning that the private-sector is contracting

Perhaps of more concern:

• Manufacturing PMI for Germany falls to a 50 month low at 49.9

(For those who don't normally follow; any PMI below 50 indicates contraction.)

[Du1point8]

Helicopter123 said:

bhstewie said:

Airbus Chief Executive said:

Please don't listen to the Brexiteers' madness which asserts that, because we have huge plants here, we will not move and we will always be here. They are wrong.

But what does he know?

Indeed, and yet Brexiteers continue their internal debate about what they actually voted for rather than confronting the clear and present danger now threatening to derail the UK economy.

I dont believe so... its also a lot of the remainers that are doing their best to screw up the economy and the UK.

If the remainers could just act like adults and work together with those that voted to leave for the best of the brexit voted depart from the EU, then the UK would not be in this situation... with remainers only wanting a deal to stay in the EU otherwise they vote against all work that has been done, then there is the bickering and constantly trying to undermine any work publically on anything with regards to the departure from the EU.

I understand the EU want to make it difficult, but from the losing side acting like children trying to derail everything and oppose anything that moves forward with the departure is just ridiculous.

The remainers lost... and instead of rolling up their sleeves and helping out, they just want to undermine a democratic vote that has not been actioned in the name of anything but democracy.

Then they have the hypocrisy to demand another democratic vote to have another vote on if the UK should leave.

[SpeckledJim]

Did the statement from Airbus include a lot of 'might' and 'could'?

Because I think we know what that means.

[Fittster]

MDMetal said:

Does anyone who voted leave seriously think the day after we leave it'll be milk and honey?

Why wouldn't they? They politicians supporting leave didn't say things would get worse after leaving.

[Digga]

Piha said:

Do you ever read the comments section on the daily mail online? I suggest you pop over there double quick, and explain to them that the UK isn't "leaving" Europe. Ever.

They might just disagree with you.

No, never!

And I suggest you stop doing it too, it's not good for your sanity or soul. Just rest assured that there will always be some of the loonies there.

[MDMetal]

Fittster said:

MDMetal said:

Does anyone who voted leave seriously think the day after we leave it'll be milk and honey?

Why wouldn't they? They politicians supporting leave didn't say things would get worse after leaving.

because contrary to how people are treated by their elected representatives most of them actually have brains and are aware of highs and lows and the difference between long and short term.

[Balmoral]

Apparently the Airbus bloke clarified a few things he said three minutes after he said them according to SKY, not wanting brexit is a given, but his main beef is with the negotiations on both sides and the prospect of no deal, both sides need to step up.

[Digga]

Balmoral said:

Apparently the Airbus bloke clarified a few things he said three minutes after he said them according to SKY, not wanting brexit is a given, but his main beef is with the negotiations on both sides and the prospect of no deal, both sides need to step up.

All of which is fair comment.