Gillette get political...

[j_4m]

Salmonofdoubt said:

The fact that it says men don't be dicks is because it's not aimed at women.

It's naive to think it wasn't aimed at women. It was produced by two female lead creatives who have track history making 'provocative' adverts, if they were aiming it purely at men it would just be a razor transforming into an F1 car racing around a track made of beard hairs (email me for a CV if you're reading this, Wieden and Kennedy). The whole purpose of an ad like this is to raise awareness of a brand by courting controversy.

[anonymous-user]

selym said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Agreed a shocking bit of propaganda research at it's best. It's nonsense and misleading actively designed to come out with the most shocking results.

They ask hypothetical meaningless questions and wouldn't be surprised in a leading way.

If they asked people "If you could commit murder with no consequences would you?" You would think the vast majority of people would say no. But all depends on how you think about it. I would say yes in all honesty, if I was to come across someone who had just raped and murder a young child especially if they were close to me personally. I would want to be able to murder that person without consequences. And I would expect lots and lots of others would to.

All the research shows is that people have base instinctive socially negative desires which as always been the case and always will be.

I did skim read the study after it was linked here (had to use another link or pay $51), interested to understand how the survey was written. I couldn't find the questions actually asked, only the results and statistics that fell out of it.

Is this the study where they confused 2 different data sets and had to issue a correction, whilst denying it affected the conclusions?

[Mark Benson]

j_4m said:

Salmonofdoubt said:

How many of us would have even been aware of this advert without the 'media' coverage of the 'backlash' and subsequent discussion?

I hadn't given a Gillette a second thought for years, now I've remembered their products. The advert isn't great but I don't see where all of the issues people have stem from. It's basically an advert saying don't be a dick.

It's more that it implies the default state of men is to be dicks, and that we have all have to drag ourselves into the warm progressive light of tolerance by buying expensive razors.

I'd go further, it implies that masculinity makes you a bad person, all men are masculine and therefore bad people and need to change.
To become a better person, deny biology - don't look at attractive women, don't let your kids play fight, for God's sake don't try to chat a girl up you potential rapist - here are some razors to help, maybe you could cut your balls off with them.

[JLC25]

steveatesh said:

“Even less does it allow discussion of false allegations, which is a real and serious problem.."

Between 2 and 10% of all cases are established false (which means at maximum, 90% are actual crimes) The FBI puts the figure at 8% - obviously if you put in unfounded accusations (that can't be proven either way) the number jumps up, but as it can't be proved one way or the other, it's extremely harsh to consider them crimes or false accusations.

There IS a firm statistic we don't have - how many do not report - it's long been suggested that a large amount of women do not report as they are not sure if they are a victim - which isn't just as simple as "If you don't think you're a victim, then you are not" - they can convince themselves they aren't due to the guilt of putting the assaulter in a situation where he can assault - the #MeToo movement has helped people come to terms with the realisation that they are victims. False accusations are horrid and should be dealt with accordingly, but they are blown wayyy out of proportion by Mens Rights activists. You are more likely to be raped as a Male than be accused of a rape that never happened.

Stats wise, different areas and different jurisdictions will have different figures - Google is your friend here.

[Salmonofdoubt]

Mark Benson said:

I'd go further, it implies that masculinity makes you a bad person, all men are masculine and therefore bad people and need to change.
To become a better person, deny biology - don't look at attractive women, don't let your kids play fight, for God's sake don't try to chat a girl up you potential rapist - here are some razors to help, maybe you could cut your balls off with them.

Do you really believe all of that?

Being masculine and being a bad person are two very different things.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Salmonofdoubt said:

Do you really believe all of that?

Being masculine and being a bad person are two very different things.

Not to many.

[Dal3D]

Seems Gillette aren't good for those with sensitive or thin skin at all.

[selym]

Salmonofdoubt said:

Mark Benson said:

I'd go further, it implies that masculinity makes you a bad person, all men are masculine and therefore bad people and need to change.
To become a better person, deny biology - don't look at attractive women, don't let your kids play fight, for God's sake don't try to chat a girl up you potential rapist - here are some razors to help, maybe you could cut your balls off with them.

Do you really believe all of that?

Being masculine and being a bad person are two very different things.

Look up hypermasculinity.

[amusingduck]

Dal3D said:

Seems Gillette aren't good for those with sensitive or thin skin at all.

[Dal3D]

[simo1863]

found the add really useful, I now know how I'm supposed to act as a man

[WCZ]

okay so I chimed in on a girl on twitter who wrote that "men are losing their st over an advert whilst women are threatened by rape and murder"
I said that was a little bit dramatic, she replies women don't get fking triggered by an acceptable advert. I again pointed out yes but to say that women are only threatened by rape and murder is also an over the top response and simply isn't true.

cue several tweets from her quoting me and using me as an example of "lol look at this idiot trying to mansplain me" etc etc

it's very frustrating, is that how it is these days? you can't disagree with a female if you're a man because you're 'manplaining' ?

[WinstonWolf]

WCZ said:

okay so I chimed in on a girl on twitter who wrote that "men are losing their st over an advert whilst women are threatened by rape and murder"
I said that was a little bit dramatic, she replies women don't get fking triggered by an acceptable advert. I again pointed out yes but to say that women are only threatened by rape and murder is also an over the top response and simply isn't true.

cue several tweets from her quoting me and using me as an example of "lol look at this idiot trying to mansplain me" etc etc

it's very frustrating, is that how it is these days? you can't disagree with a female if you're a man because you're 'manplaining' ?

Just fire a come back with "typical womansplaining"...

[j_4m]

WCZ said:

okay so I chimed in on a girl on twitter who wrote that "men are losing their st over an advert whilst women are threatened by rape and murder"
I said that was a little bit dramatic, she replies women don't get fking triggered by an acceptable advert. I again pointed out yes but to say that women are only threatened by rape and murder is also an over the top response and simply isn't true.

cue several tweets from her quoting me and using me as an example of "lol look at this idiot trying to mansplain me" etc etc

it's very frustrating, is that how it is these days? you can't disagree with a female if you're a man because you're 'manplaining' ?

Why did you even bother? She only posted that to get a rise out of someone and feel smug.

[WCZ]

j_4m said:

Why did you even bother? She only posted that to get a rise out of someone and feel smug.

trust me she believes it

it's most likely ended at:

"you saying that I'm being dramatic is both irresponsible and ignorant. And plain RUDE. And btw, I don’t appreciate my own tweet being mansplained to me. Your own argument is shaky at best, befuddled and offensive, at worst. Thank you. Good day."

can't help but wonder what things will be like in 10/15 years time?

[j_4m]

WCZ said:

can't help but wonder what things will be like in 10/15 years time?

Anyone with any common sense will have abandoned social media.

[moanthebairns]

WCZ said:

j_4m said:

Why did you even bother? She only posted that to get a rise out of someone and feel smug.

trust me she believes it

it's most likely ended at:

"you saying that I'm being dramatic is both irresponsible and ignorant. And plain RUDE. And btw, I don’t appreciate my own tweet being mansplained to me. Your own argument is shaky at best, befuddled and offensive, at worst. Thank you. Good day."

can't help but wonder what things will be like in 10/15 years time?

Call her fat, that'll teach her.

[Boydie88]

WCZ said:

okay so I chimed in on a girl on twitter who wrote that "men are losing their st over an advert whilst women are threatened by rape and murder"
I said that was a little bit dramatic, she replies women don't get fking triggered by an acceptable advert. I again pointed out yes but to say that women are only threatened by rape and murder is also an over the top response and simply isn't true.

cue several tweets from her quoting me and using me as an example of "lol look at this idiot trying to mansplain me" etc etc

it's very frustrating, is that how it is these days? you can't disagree with a female if you're a man because you're 'manplaining' ?

Should have reminded her about the 'beach body ready' adverts.

[j_4m]

Boydie88 said:

Should have reminded her about the 'beach body ready' adverts.

Ah, but that was The Evil Patriarchy. It's ok to be upset by them, whoever they are.

[WCZ]

Boydie88 said:

Should have reminded her about the 'beach body ready' adverts.

it's not even worth it, I dread to think of the reply.

also even though the 'conversation' had ended she obviously couldn't resist putting one last thing out there:

"The number of guys I’ve fking shut down because of their dumb st misogynist opinions

shutting down guys like you is my life blood and hobby"

all this just because I said women can be offended by other things other than rape and murder.