98 yr old duke crashes range rover
Discussion
Todays tabloids.
Lorry driver was overtaking another vehicle when he ploughed into an oncoming BMW killing the driver.
ONLY got 150 hours community service, and banned for four years.
Apparantly another vehicle slowed down to turn right, and to avoide a rear end collision he pulled out onto the other side of the road.
So I think the Duke will be OK.
Lorry driver was overtaking another vehicle when he ploughed into an oncoming BMW killing the driver.
ONLY got 150 hours community service, and banned for four years.
Apparantly another vehicle slowed down to turn right, and to avoide a rear end collision he pulled out onto the other side of the road.
So I think the Duke will be OK.
Balmoral said:
Old boy managed to put his car on it's side in our Morrison's car park the other week. I hope when my time comes I recognise it and pack up, it would be good to be told to by freinds & relatives too. Of course if everything is fine, I'll keep going.
My FiL recently packed up at 82, my MiL is as sharp as a razor at 80 and doesn't piss about, she's an excellent driver.
My wife's grandfather is 90. He had a crash recently. He pulled out onto a 4 lane single carriageway to turn right. Coming from the right, there was a bus stopped in L1, about 30m from the junction he was at, and he couldn't see past it properly, there's a bit of a bend in the road.My FiL recently packed up at 82, my MiL is as sharp as a razor at 80 and doesn't piss about, she's an excellent driver.
Edited by Balmoral on Tuesday 22 January 16:59
So he just pulled out. The lady passing the bus in L2 had nowhere to go when old Pops diddered out in front of her, and she hit him.
Both cars written off, all 3 people (Mother and toddler in the other car) were unharmed, fortunately.
He got out his car and started blaming her for it, til the bus driver got out his bus and intervened.
No charges, he's still driving. I don't get in the car with him now, the last time I did, I took my eyes off the road to look at my phone, and we not only mounted a pavement, but ended up on the grass, and after our detour he bumped back down onto the road and kept going as if this was totally normal.
Someone needs to have the talk with him. I've told my father in law it's really his job, but he's only here half the time, and doesn't seem to understand how bad it's gotten.
On the other hand, I know someone well into their 80s that still hillclimbs his 1920s Bentley amongst other things, and is a fantastic driver.
Someone pulled out of a side road in front of me two days ago. Thanks to some hard braking and a little anticipation on my part, we didn't collide. The other driver looked to be in their late 30s. If either of us had been over 70 or 80 or .. , should we have been condemned on the basis of age?
A friend of mine was in a nasty collision when he was about 20 and driving a TVR. Two individuals offered themselves as witnesses to his fast and reckless driving though, in fact, they hadn't even seen the accident. To them it was obvious: young male in a sports car. Fortunately for my friend, there was also a police office present, who had seen everything and knew the fault was with the middle-aged man coming from the other direction.
The fact is that people of all ages make (and don't make) mistakes; some end with an accident some don't. We have to be very careful of considering any properties of a person as the cause of an error that they make or problem that they are involved in.
We cannot single out the old or young or people with red hair and glasses. If we want to make the old have health checks or extra driving tests, then we have to apply the same policy to everyone. And, perhaps, we should.
A friend of mine was in a nasty collision when he was about 20 and driving a TVR. Two individuals offered themselves as witnesses to his fast and reckless driving though, in fact, they hadn't even seen the accident. To them it was obvious: young male in a sports car. Fortunately for my friend, there was also a police office present, who had seen everything and knew the fault was with the middle-aged man coming from the other direction.
The fact is that people of all ages make (and don't make) mistakes; some end with an accident some don't. We have to be very careful of considering any properties of a person as the cause of an error that they make or problem that they are involved in.
We cannot single out the old or young or people with red hair and glasses. If we want to make the old have health checks or extra driving tests, then we have to apply the same policy to everyone. And, perhaps, we should.
I was surprised yesterday to find that when I reach 60 (soon!) I can get a free eye test. There are benefits to getting old(er). I shan't be getting a bus pass (I live in 'wrong' area), but I'm still of the belief that a 'Bus Pass' is when I overtake it whilst riding my bicycle!
There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
Fastpedeller said:
I was surprised yesterday to find that when I reach 60 (soon!) I can get a free eye test. There are benefits to getting old(er). I shan't be getting a bus pass (I live in 'wrong' area), but I'm still of the belief that a 'Bus Pass' is when I overtake it whilst riding my bicycle!
There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
Why at the age of 60. Why not every time anybody renews their driving licence. Having had perfect vision in my 30s by the time I was in my late 40s I needed glasses and would never have driven without them. You don't even need to do anything just link the eye test to the DVLA. It would have the added advantage paying for itself by picking up eye problems early... There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
Vanden Saab said:
Fastpedeller said:
I was surprised yesterday to find that when I reach 60 (soon!) I can get a free eye test. There are benefits to getting old(er). I shan't be getting a bus pass (I live in 'wrong' area), but I'm still of the belief that a 'Bus Pass' is when I overtake it whilst riding my bicycle!
There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
Why at the age of 60. Why not every time anybody renews their driving licence. Having had perfect vision in my 30s by the time I was in my late 40s I needed glasses and would never have driven without them. You don't even need to do anything just link the eye test to the DVLA. It would have the added advantage paying for itself by picking up eye problems early... There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
In, 30 mins doing tests, out with new licence for the next 10 years. Happy days.
Fastpedeller said:
I was surprised yesterday to find that when I reach 60 (soon!) I can get a free eye test. There are benefits to getting old(er). I shan't be getting a bus pass (I live in 'wrong' area), but I'm still of the belief that a 'Bus Pass' is when I overtake it whilst riding my bicycle!
There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
There is no excuse for ANYONE at all, not only 60. Fortunately in Scotland eye tests are free. I like my bus pass as well, when my car goes in for a service, I get the bus outside the dealership home.There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
Good to see Philip passed his eye sight test, although when the tabloids said the police eye sight test, was it "Read that number plate over there sir", or a proper eye sight test by an optometris.
Looking further aside though, how many drivers are on our roads with no MOT, Insurance, banned drivers etc, it's never ending. But I agree it shouldn't be that difficult to have an eye sight test at 70 to renew your licence.
Vipers said:
Good to see Philip passed his eye sight test, although when the tabloids said the police eye sight test, was it "Read that number plate over there sir", or a proper eye sight test by an optometris.
"Read the number plate over there Sir" ' Oh, ok my man...... it's on its side, but it say 2HRH'
yonex said:
IMO as they get into their 70/80’s the mileage drops and they tend only drive when necessary. Nobody is the same but my father used to drive all over Europe, now he hates it, and complains about everyone else on the road. It’s at the point where my kids are no longer allowed in the car with him, sad, but we all get to a point where we are more of a risk as the senses and perception fails.
Per mile driven, people aged 65 and over have fewer accidents than those under the age of 25. Their accidents tend to be at lower speed as well. Accident rates rise after the age of 55 but stay more or less on even keel after 70.The age of 65 marks the date that, for the first time, men have the same number of accidents per mile as women.
The Surveyor said:
Is it ageist to stop children driving, I'm sure there are some 12, 13 and 14 year olds who could be perfectly safe on the roads never mind 17 year olds?
We draw a line at one end of the driving spectrum because we know children mature and 17/18 is the point where historically people are old enough to be aware of their wider responsibilities with drink, voting, and driving. We should also apply the same at the other end when people start to put their own dogged fight for independence ahead of the wider publics safety. We have a test to determine if a child is competent to drive at 17, we shouldn't be embarrassed to seek a short re-test every 5 years once a person has reached 75 years of age.
If the duke is still competent to drive despite this accident, let him carry on driving. If he's not, take his keys off him.
The highest rates of accidents per mile are at the age of 17, then from 18 to 21 and then from 22 to 25. Various reasons have been put forward for this, but my favoured one, experience, is not the sole one. Kids minds works differently evidently. Another aspect that's doesn't get much airing is that 17 year old females have the highest rate of accidents per mile than any other demographic. The gap between the sexes increases with age, right up until 65 when old men drive like old women.We draw a line at one end of the driving spectrum because we know children mature and 17/18 is the point where historically people are old enough to be aware of their wider responsibilities with drink, voting, and driving. We should also apply the same at the other end when people start to put their own dogged fight for independence ahead of the wider publics safety. We have a test to determine if a child is competent to drive at 17, we shouldn't be embarrassed to seek a short re-test every 5 years once a person has reached 75 years of age.
If the duke is still competent to drive despite this accident, let him carry on driving. If he's not, take his keys off him.
There should be cognitive testing of those over the age of 70. I can see no argument against it other than that the government will use it as yet another revenue stream from motoring.
Munter said:
Vanden Saab said:
Fastpedeller said:
I was surprised yesterday to find that when I reach 60 (soon!) I can get a free eye test. There are benefits to getting old(er). I shan't be getting a bus pass (I live in 'wrong' area), but I'm still of the belief that a 'Bus Pass' is when I overtake it whilst riding my bicycle!
There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
Why at the age of 60. Why not every time anybody renews their driving licence. Having had perfect vision in my 30s by the time I was in my late 40s I needed glasses and would never have driven without them. You don't even need to do anything just link the eye test to the DVLA. It would have the added advantage paying for itself by picking up eye problems early... There is really no excuse for anyone over 60 to be driving with defective vision - surely the least we can do (which would require little admin?) is to get an eye test verdict to be able to renew the driving licence at 70? That wouldn't stop all accidents (I don't think that will ever be possible), but it would be a good start.
In, 30 mins doing tests, out with new licence for the next 10 years. Happy days.
Fastpedeller said:
Vipers said:
Good to see Philip passed his eye sight test, although when the tabloids said the police eye sight test, was it "Read that number plate over there sir", or a proper eye sight test by an optometris.
"Read the number plate over there Sir" ' Oh, ok my man...... it's on its side, but it say 2HRH'
I used to have an 84/85 yr old male neighbour.
had a little corsa- every panel scraped where he'd driven it down the side of the garage.
I get home from work one day and he says to me
"well I went shopping today, drove up the road- I had to laugh. I pulled up as there was this yellow car in the road, stopped
I waited
and waited
and waited.
turns out it was a skip "
(not a skip lorry I hasten to add for accuracy- an actual skip) fortunately he packed in driving pretty swiftly after that.
had a little corsa- every panel scraped where he'd driven it down the side of the garage.
I get home from work one day and he says to me
"well I went shopping today, drove up the road- I had to laugh. I pulled up as there was this yellow car in the road, stopped
I waited
and waited
and waited.
turns out it was a skip "
(not a skip lorry I hasten to add for accuracy- an actual skip) fortunately he packed in driving pretty swiftly after that.
austinsmirk said:
I used to have an 84/85 yr old male neighbour.
had a little corsa- every panel scraped where he'd driven it down the side of the garage.
I get home from work one day and he says to me
"well I went shopping today, drove up the road- I had to laugh. I pulled up as there was this yellow car in the road, stopped
I waited
and waited
and waited.
turns out it was a skip "
(not a skip lorry I hasten to add for accuracy- an actual skip) fortunately he packed in driving pretty swiftly after that.
My parent's neighbour stopped driving as he drove through on to his drive, down the drive into and through the back of the garage and was stopped by the compost heap. In his words "I couldn't take my foot of the pedal, my ankle doesn't work too well and keeps locking" had a little corsa- every panel scraped where he'd driven it down the side of the garage.
I get home from work one day and he says to me
"well I went shopping today, drove up the road- I had to laugh. I pulled up as there was this yellow car in the road, stopped
I waited
and waited
and waited.
turns out it was a skip "
(not a skip lorry I hasten to add for accuracy- an actual skip) fortunately he packed in driving pretty swiftly after that.
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