Nursing mother smashes 268-mile Montane Spine Race record
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Nursing mother smashes 268-mile Montane Spine Race record
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-e...
saw this on the news. beat the record by 12 hours.
IMpressive, most impressive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-e...
saw this on the news. beat the record by 12 hours.
IMpressive, most impressive.
A few of my mates have or are running the Spine, with others helping along the way.
I've been following them and the race, and this has been incredible to watch.
What she has achieved is just awesome. It's the stuff of legend. The likes of Mike Cudahy and Joss Naylor have just been joined by Jasmin Paris.
Runs 296 miles, in pish weather, expressing breast milk at the safety stops along the way. Brilliant!!
Her past few years have been phenomenal, Dragons Back first woman / 2rd overall in 2015, all 3 'rounds' records [taking 2 hours out of the other incredible female fell runner Nicky Spinks's time], champion British Fell/Hill runner for successive years, World Skyrunner Extreme winner (Tromso and GC wins) a few year ago.
What's sickening are two things, first she's always bloody smiling (bit like Forseberg...!) and second she's just so damn nice with it all.
What's sickening are two things, first she's always bloody smiling (bit like Forseberg...!) and second she's just so damn nice with it all.
Labradorofperception said:
A few of my mates have or are running the Spine, with others helping along the way.
I've been following them and the race, and this has been incredible to watch.
What she has achieved is just awesome. It's the stuff of legend. The likes of Mike Cudahy and Joss Naylor have just been joined by Jasmin Paris.
Runs 296 miles, in pish weather, expressing breast milk at the safety stops along the way. Brilliant!!
You can't argue that what Jasmin did isn't almost superhuman.I've been following them and the race, and this has been incredible to watch.
What she has achieved is just awesome. It's the stuff of legend. The likes of Mike Cudahy and Joss Naylor have just been joined by Jasmin Paris.
Runs 296 miles, in pish weather, expressing breast milk at the safety stops along the way. Brilliant!!
You have to be careful with the Pennine way and records however. I walked the Pennine Way in 1983. With the exception of a very small section in Derbyshire (Kinder over Mill Hill and Bleaklow) and around Baldersdale and again a small section in the Cheviots, this was still a wild path when the first 2 day runs were done. With a lot of bog that needed to be avoided. Also the Pennine Way has been re-routed over the years and some of the difficult sections taken off the route and that of this race, e.g. Grindsbrook which was a hands scramble at points is replaced by the flat (but uphill) contoured path of Jacobs ladder.
Nowadays most of the route is in someway an engineered surface.
Also expressing milk lightens your body weight bit by bit. Now if a man were to stop and efflux some fluid from hand shandying to help him break records would that be seen so favourably?
Indeed we did the Pennine Way in a February as it meant a lot more of the bogs were frozen over so you could walk direct. Many times I've done Edale - Crowden (the first day of the Pennine Way) and 7hrs is a best on a nice dry summer day direct on the route, I've had 12, 14, 15 hrs and even fails from bogs been so bad or groughs overflowing that big detours have had to be made. Overall walk times are very variable. We did it in 15 days (inc 1 day return detour). My uncle did it in the May and the moors were so wet and boggy that despite him being able to push a few 30 milers in (I topped out at the one 28 miler on the last day and sub 20 milers ever other day) it took him 18 days. So winter can be a good time, if you've a decent torch.
There was much debate as to the length of the route from 250 miles to 268 / 276 miles (the Wainwright figure(s)) to 300. When we walked the route there were a few areas that not only did we have to do big detours for bogs but also for rivers un-fordable in flood etc, we had to almost repeat a whole day in Teasdale when we had to double back as we couldn't ford a tributary into the Tees.
Also, seeing as the record for running the Pennine Way set in the late 1980s was 2 days 17 hrs 20 minutes (M Hartley according to my Guinness book of records as annoted in my Wainwright), as opposed to the branded Montane Spine, which now follows the Pennine Way route - they seem to have omitted runs from before their branding on the route I'm not sure how 3 days, 11 hrs and 20 minutes "smashes" 12 hrs off the record, seems to add 14 hrs onto it!
https://www.inov-8.com/blog/pennine-way-pavel-palo...
Indeed the record return run up and down the Pennine Way was about 6 days 2hrs (group of squaddies) so less that twice the single time for Jasmin, all when the route was un-engineered.
I suspect the news that this is a record is a bit "PR machinery and poor research by reporters" rather than deception by Jasmine. If the story were entitled "Winter female record of newly renamed Pennine Way the Montane Spine broken" then the story would be more factually correct, but in this day of fake news.......Mike Hartly the previous record owner must be turning in his grave if he wasn't doing 150 mile day runs in the Scottish Highlands......
Edited by StanleyT on Thursday 17th January 20:58
Edited by StanleyT on Thursday 17th January 20:59
[quote=StanleyT]
You can't argue that what Jasmin did isn't almost superhuman.
You have to be careful with the Pennine way and records however. I walked the Pennine Way in 1983. With the exception of a very small section in Derbyshire (Kinder over Mill Hill and Bleaklow) and around Baldersdale and again a small section in the Cheviots, this was still a wild path when the first 2 day runs were done. With a lot of bog that needed to be avoided. Also the Pennine Way has been re-routed over the years and some of the difficult sections taken off the route and that of this race, e.g. Grindsbrook which was a hands scramble at points is replaced by the flat (but uphill) contoured path of Jacobs ladder.
Nowadays most of the route is in someway an engineered surface.
Also expressing milk lightens your body weight bit by bit. Now if a man were to stop and efflux some fluid from hand shandying to help him break records would that be seen so favourably?
Indeed we did the Pennine Way in a February as it meant a lot more of the bogs were frozen over so you could walk direct. Many times I've done Edale - Crowden (the first day of the Pennine Way) and 7hrs is a best on a nice dry summer day direct on the route, I've had 12, 14, 15 hrs and even fails from bogs been so bad or groughs overflowing that big detours have had to be made. Overall walk times are very variable. We did it in 15 days (inc 1 day return detour). My uncle did it in the May and the moors were so wet and boggy that despite him being able to push a few 30 milers in (I topped out at the one 28 miler on the last day and sub 20 milers ever other day) it took him 18 days. So winter can be a good time, if you've a decent torch.
There was much debate as to the length of the route from 250 miles to 268 / 276 miles (the Wainwright figure(s)) to 300. When we walked the route there were a few areas that not only did we have to do big detours for bogs but also for rivers un-fordable in flood etc, we had to almost repeat a whole day in Teasdale when we had to double back as we couldn't ford a tributary into the Tees.
Also, seeing as the record for running the Pennine Way set in the late 1980s was 2 days 17 hrs 20 minutes (M Hartley according to my Guinness book of records as annoted in my Wainwright), as opposed to the branded Montane Spine, which now follows the Pennine Way route - they seem to have omitted runs from before their branding on the route I'm not sure how 3 days, 11 hrs and 20 minutes "smashes" 12 hrs off the record, seems to add 14 hrs onto it!
https://www.inov-8.com/blog/pennine-way-pavel-palo...
Indeed the record return run up and down the Pennine Way was about 6 days 2hrs (group of squaddies) so less that twice the single time for Jasmin, all when the route was un-engineered.
I suspect the news that this is a record is a bit "PR machinery and poor research by reporters" rather than deception by Jasmine. If the story were entitled "Winter female record of newly renamed Pennine Way the Montane Spine broken" then the story would be more factually correct, but in this day of fake news.......Mike Hartly the previous record owner must be turning in his grave if he wasn't doing 150 mile day runs in the Scottish Highlands......
Erm....er...
she did a 17;24 Bob Graham. she's not exactly shabby.
My mate did it in 22.20. I'll ask him if he knocked one out at the top of Skiddaw.
Anyhow, long distance paths are always changing, they're almost amorphous as parts are rested, parts are opened up. Knowing some of the guys who've race the Spine (and the S[pine and back), she's done something utterly jawdroppping.
You can't argue that what Jasmin did isn't almost superhuman.
You have to be careful with the Pennine way and records however. I walked the Pennine Way in 1983. With the exception of a very small section in Derbyshire (Kinder over Mill Hill and Bleaklow) and around Baldersdale and again a small section in the Cheviots, this was still a wild path when the first 2 day runs were done. With a lot of bog that needed to be avoided. Also the Pennine Way has been re-routed over the years and some of the difficult sections taken off the route and that of this race, e.g. Grindsbrook which was a hands scramble at points is replaced by the flat (but uphill) contoured path of Jacobs ladder.
Nowadays most of the route is in someway an engineered surface.
Also expressing milk lightens your body weight bit by bit. Now if a man were to stop and efflux some fluid from hand shandying to help him break records would that be seen so favourably?
Indeed we did the Pennine Way in a February as it meant a lot more of the bogs were frozen over so you could walk direct. Many times I've done Edale - Crowden (the first day of the Pennine Way) and 7hrs is a best on a nice dry summer day direct on the route, I've had 12, 14, 15 hrs and even fails from bogs been so bad or groughs overflowing that big detours have had to be made. Overall walk times are very variable. We did it in 15 days (inc 1 day return detour). My uncle did it in the May and the moors were so wet and boggy that despite him being able to push a few 30 milers in (I topped out at the one 28 miler on the last day and sub 20 milers ever other day) it took him 18 days. So winter can be a good time, if you've a decent torch.
There was much debate as to the length of the route from 250 miles to 268 / 276 miles (the Wainwright figure(s)) to 300. When we walked the route there were a few areas that not only did we have to do big detours for bogs but also for rivers un-fordable in flood etc, we had to almost repeat a whole day in Teasdale when we had to double back as we couldn't ford a tributary into the Tees.
Also, seeing as the record for running the Pennine Way set in the late 1980s was 2 days 17 hrs 20 minutes (M Hartley according to my Guinness book of records as annoted in my Wainwright), as opposed to the branded Montane Spine, which now follows the Pennine Way route - they seem to have omitted runs from before their branding on the route I'm not sure how 3 days, 11 hrs and 20 minutes "smashes" 12 hrs off the record, seems to add 14 hrs onto it!
https://www.inov-8.com/blog/pennine-way-pavel-palo...
Indeed the record return run up and down the Pennine Way was about 6 days 2hrs (group of squaddies) so less that twice the single time for Jasmin, all when the route was un-engineered.
I suspect the news that this is a record is a bit "PR machinery and poor research by reporters" rather than deception by Jasmine. If the story were entitled "Winter female record of newly renamed Pennine Way the Montane Spine broken" then the story would be more factually correct, but in this day of fake news.......Mike Hartly the previous record owner must be turning in his grave if he wasn't doing 150 mile day runs in the Scottish Highlands......
Erm....er...
she did a 17;24 Bob Graham. she's not exactly shabby.
My mate did it in 22.20. I'll ask him if he knocked one out at the top of Skiddaw.
Anyhow, long distance paths are always changing, they're almost amorphous as parts are rested, parts are opened up. Knowing some of the guys who've race the Spine (and the S[pine and back), she's done something utterly jawdroppping.
"The MONTANE® Spine Race is a brutal 268 mile, non-stop, winter mountain marathon that encompasses the entire Pennine Way in the UK."
So Mike Hartley's 1989 brutal, non-stop, marathon 2 day, 17hr along the (at that point, no engineered paved surface) Pennine Way (oh, one stop, course notes have him stopping for 18 minutes at Alston for Fish and Chips) wasn't faster. Strange how poor the standard of runners in the Montane Spine race is if their winner this year was 11hrs over a record set nearly 30 years ago and the previous record for the Montane Spine was 23hrs slower than a 29 year old record, noting the Pennine Way is easier in the winter apart from darkness as the ground is more solid! Every other running discipline has got faster over the same courses in the last 30 years.
As I say, good PR spin for MONTANE® on Jasmins attempt, which is still in the ranks of superhuman, but not a real record, nor close to. But I suppose that only bothers us that know from those that take the fake news / PR slight at 100% gospel.
Old eroded Pennine Way
Modern "pavement Pennine Way - for 170 our of 268 miles now).
Pictures edited to be the right way around, doh.
So Mike Hartley's 1989 brutal, non-stop, marathon 2 day, 17hr along the (at that point, no engineered paved surface) Pennine Way (oh, one stop, course notes have him stopping for 18 minutes at Alston for Fish and Chips) wasn't faster. Strange how poor the standard of runners in the Montane Spine race is if their winner this year was 11hrs over a record set nearly 30 years ago and the previous record for the Montane Spine was 23hrs slower than a 29 year old record, noting the Pennine Way is easier in the winter apart from darkness as the ground is more solid! Every other running discipline has got faster over the same courses in the last 30 years.
As I say, good PR spin for MONTANE® on Jasmins attempt, which is still in the ranks of superhuman, but not a real record, nor close to. But I suppose that only bothers us that know from those that take the fake news / PR slight at 100% gospel.
Old eroded Pennine Way
Modern "pavement Pennine Way - for 170 our of 268 miles now).
Pictures edited to be the right way around, doh.
Edited by StanleyT on Thursday 17th January 21:28
Edited by StanleyT on Friday 18th January 08:08
I've not dissed Jasmin. I bet if you look at the records she'll be up there in the top 10 (?) / 50 (fairly sure) / 100 for certainty on that distance. Just a shame when previous records get forgotten for the persons that set them.
Her Bob Graham is impressive. I helped (failed to) pace a friend who did the round from High Tove (to High Seat????) even though he way half way around and I was fresh, in my mid 20s, 3hr 40 marathons at the time, after five minutes running with him I was told to "pick up of f... off" as I couldn't pace him as fast as he wanted over moorland / mountain!!!!!
Her Bob Graham is impressive. I helped (failed to) pace a friend who did the round from High Tove (to High Seat????) even though he way half way around and I was fresh, in my mid 20s, 3hr 40 marathons at the time, after five minutes running with him I was told to "pick up of f... off" as I couldn't pace him as fast as he wanted over moorland / mountain!!!!!
k me, there’s a lot of unadulterated bLabradorofperception said:
Anyhow, long distance paths are always changing,
They are, but running on pavement on the moors up near Kinder is hugely easier and faster than running on mud. Over a couple of hundred miles... .Labradorofperception said:
she's done something utterly jawdroppping.
Yes it's still a very, very quick time. 768 said:
Not to take anything away from it, because it's obviously a ridiculous achievement regardless, but I'm curious if being a nursing mum is an advantage with the sleep deprivation.
My mrs thinks so. Something to do with a different mix / level of hormones. But jeepers, that’s a long way. Hardcore
StanleyT said:
"The MONTANE® Spine Race is a brutal 268 mile, non-stop, winter mountain marathon that encompasses the entire Pennine Way in the UK."
So Mike Hartley's 1989 brutal, non-stop, marathon 2 day, 17hr along the (at that point, no engineered paved surface) Pennine Way (oh, one stop, course notes have him stopping for 18 minutes at Alston for Fish and Chips) wasn't faster.
I’ll try again. Nobody is claiming she has broken the Pennine Way record, but they are claiming she has beaten the Montane Spine Race record, which is set when the Montane Spine Race is on, not at any other time, as then it’s not the Montane Spine Race.So Mike Hartley's 1989 brutal, non-stop, marathon 2 day, 17hr along the (at that point, no engineered paved surface) Pennine Way (oh, one stop, course notes have him stopping for 18 minutes at Alston for Fish and Chips) wasn't faster.
As for the rest, you sound like one of Monty Python’s Yorkshiremen.
jimmytheone said:
768 said:
Not to take anything away from it, because it's obviously a ridiculous achievement regardless, but I'm curious if being a nursing mum is an advantage with the sleep deprivation.
My mrs thinks so. Something to do with a different mix / level of hormones. But jeepers, that’s a long way. Hardcore
Proper impressive feat.
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