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anonymous said:
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And what are Travelodge like at paying their contractors, I wonder?I'm not in the building trade but I'm well aware that some big companies are as bad at holding off payment as long as they can to smaller companies? Would that affect the smaller co ability to pay their staff?
There are rumours online, so a pinch of salt is needed, that the chap HAD been paid, but there was an issue on Friday with Lloyds bank payments, meaning the money hadn't come into his account?
Which, if this is case, is even worse.
But as the posters above who are in the trade have said, this kind of non-payment seems to be the name of the game, and never managed very well. Ultimately they don't seem to care about the fact that it is affecting people to a large degree who are living week-to-week on money if any when it comes in.
Which, if this is case, is even worse.
But as the posters above who are in the trade have said, this kind of non-payment seems to be the name of the game, and never managed very well. Ultimately they don't seem to care about the fact that it is affecting people to a large degree who are living week-to-week on money if any when it comes in.
There are ways and means of venting frustration, and in this case he went well over the top. He will now get prosecuted for a very high value criminal damage with “intent to endanger life” (recklessness also fits) and will go to jail.
A while back I dealt with a bloke who hadn’t got paid by the kitchen company he worked for. He hid the artic trailer full of high value stock somewhere, holding it to ransom until his wages were paid. I thought that a rather more stylish way of resolving things, with many orders of magnitude less trouble caused for him.
A while back I dealt with a bloke who hadn’t got paid by the kitchen company he worked for. He hid the artic trailer full of high value stock somewhere, holding it to ransom until his wages were paid. I thought that a rather more stylish way of resolving things, with many orders of magnitude less trouble caused for him.
desolate said:
Is this a serious post?
What isn’t serious about it?Man allegedly doesn’t get paid his £600 wages.
Man then causes a massive scene and uses a piece of machinery to cause tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage, plus all the costs of the hotel not being open on time.
I would say it was fairly serious and certainly newsworthy.
Edited to add:
For what my opinion is worth, I can just about understand his frustration if he hasn’t been paid correctly, but what he did was totally unacceptable.
I have no doubt he will absolutely suffer the consequences of his stupidity.
It’ll be a few months in prison for him.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 January 13:08
Bigger companies always seem to screw the smaller firms over who then screw their staff over
Most businesses are the same and unless you afford to have a month or two in operating costs tucked away your at the mercy of those paying your bills
Big business are the worst most of our clients are 30 days although in the past we've had big clients tell us quite happily if you don't accept 60/90/120 datly terms we will just go elsewhere to someone who will
Tough when your growing a business but utterly normal across all sectors
Most businesses are the same and unless you afford to have a month or two in operating costs tucked away your at the mercy of those paying your bills
Big business are the worst most of our clients are 30 days although in the past we've had big clients tell us quite happily if you don't accept 60/90/120 datly terms we will just go elsewhere to someone who will
Tough when your growing a business but utterly normal across all sectors
BrassMan said:
mac96 said:
He'll be regretting that now. Even if he was owed £600, it won't be Travelodge who owed it, and he won't be getting it from anyone now.
Unless the contractor magically goes bankrupt, why not? Shouldn't his wages and the damage be separate matters?
Glasgowrob said:
Bigger companies always seem to screw the smaller firms over who then screw their staff over
Most businesses are the same and unless you afford to have a month or two in operating costs tucked away your at the mercy of those paying your bills
Big business are the worst most of our clients are 30 days although in the past we've had big clients tell us quite happily if you don't accept 60/90/120 datly terms we will just go elsewhere to someone who will
Tough when your growing a business but utterly normal across all sectors
I stopped working years ago for a couple of companies who decided their new payment terms would be changing from 30 days (in reality payment received after 5-6 weeks) to 60 days, as I was supplying materials and merchants want paying every 30 days without fail or account put on hold, it wasn't financially possible for me to keep working for them.Most businesses are the same and unless you afford to have a month or two in operating costs tucked away your at the mercy of those paying your bills
Big business are the worst most of our clients are 30 days although in the past we've had big clients tell us quite happily if you don't accept 60/90/120 datly terms we will just go elsewhere to someone who will
Tough when your growing a business but utterly normal across all sectors
DaveTheRave87 said:
What an amateur, he didn't even concrete amour plate the digger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
Wow! That's mental! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
Dog Star said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
What an amateur, he didn't even concrete amour plate the digger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
Wow! That's mental! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer
Loads of clips of the 'dozer and the guy himself here.
Dog Star said:
Wow! That's mental!
Looks like he destroyed half the town: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zRsmcIaB1Qm3jappa said:
You can't argue with it being reckless, but at the same time so many of these firms just dont pay or underpay their blokes.
You end up trapped, if you leave you won't be getting paid because you 'let them down' if you stay the debt just gets bigger.
I had it many years ago, i was earning a grand a week, they deduct tax, then 5% retention.Then you've got to pay to get to London every day. They were meant to pay 2 weeks money every 2 weeks, what happened was they paid the two weeks money every 5 or 6 weeks. I ended up in debt which took some time to sort out. I learnt the lesson of never ever spend this weeks money! Not until you've got a fair bit saved up as in the trade you never know what's going to happen.
The firms are so blasé, telling lies that its gone in when it hasn't, your invoice wasn't received or just plain ignoring you. It can be for thousands of pounds. They simply do not give a f
k if your going to lose your home, thats your problem.
Even worse is if your supplying materials as well, you can end up basically paying to do their job then not getting paid for it. Its bang out of order.
However it is a bit of an over reaction for £600 but maybe he was pushed over the edge. He's certainly gong to prison for that little outburst.
a lot of people don't appreciate how systematic d!cking around with blokes wages on the sites is - once I even had a rep from hays ring me up with the audacity to ask me to spend a day for free helping out a building firm out of their own mess after they sacked me because the foreman was having a tanty, knocked me for two weeks wages, then tried to complete the electrics on the cheap using the labourers who didn't have the faintest idea what they were doing.You end up trapped, if you leave you won't be getting paid because you 'let them down' if you stay the debt just gets bigger.
I had it many years ago, i was earning a grand a week, they deduct tax, then 5% retention.Then you've got to pay to get to London every day. They were meant to pay 2 weeks money every 2 weeks, what happened was they paid the two weeks money every 5 or 6 weeks. I ended up in debt which took some time to sort out. I learnt the lesson of never ever spend this weeks money! Not until you've got a fair bit saved up as in the trade you never know what's going to happen.
The firms are so blasé, telling lies that its gone in when it hasn't, your invoice wasn't received or just plain ignoring you. It can be for thousands of pounds. They simply do not give a f
k if your going to lose your home, thats your problem. Even worse is if your supplying materials as well, you can end up basically paying to do their job then not getting paid for it. Its bang out of order.
However it is a bit of an over reaction for £600 but maybe he was pushed over the edge. He's certainly gong to prison for that little outburst.
Video made me lol, suprised it doesn't happen more often, although I've seen some s
t fked up over petty and not so petty amountsSaleen836 said:
I stopped working years ago for a couple of companies who decided their new payment terms would be changing from 30 days (in reality payment received after 5-6 weeks) to 60 days, as I was supplying materials and merchants want paying every 30 days without fail or account put on hold, it wasn't financially possible for me to keep working for them.
Yep me too, heard from friends who still work for bigger contractors the standard is 90 days. Anybody who is stupid enough to allow anybody to owe them 3months money or wait that long to get paid deserves everything they get.... I work for 3 small contractors who pay me at the end of the job or weekly whichever comes first... If the money is not in the bank on Monday they know I will not be back working until it is... essayer said:
Not a fan of crowdfunding for people who commit criminal acts, when did that become acceptable??
As soon as crowdfunding platforms became available, people have used them to raise money either for themselves or others. Whether or not you deem it acceptable though, is neither here nor there. You don't have to donate, nobody is forcing you to do so, I certainly won't be putting my hand out for him either as I don't tend to as a rule. Might start my own though, seems a good way to make a few quid on the side..
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