Sky News "No Deal" Poll

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TwigtheWonderkid

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29,810 posts

96 months

Monday 21st January
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According to Sky News, 26% of those polled think a No Deal Brexit means we would stay in the EU.

This is 2.5 years since the referendum, 2.5 years during which Brexit has been big news. Probably safe to assume that as a nation, we are more knowledgeable now than when the referendum was held.

I've seen other polls in the past where 25% of people couldn't name the PM.

Without turning this into a Brexit yay or nay debate, what does this say about the validity of the referendum, the wisdom of calling it at all, and the point of having a 2nd referendum?

The thoughts of Ricky Gervais spring to mind:

We had a referendum, on an very complex issue, in a country where we still have to write DO NOT DRINK on bottles of bleach. We never should have had a referendum, but if we had to have one, we should have taken the warnings off the bleach.....for 2 years......and then had it.

voyds9

7,019 posts

229 months

Monday 21st January
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It says there are idiots on both sides so it probably cancels out the effect

selym

7,276 posts

117 months

Monday 21st January
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voyds9 said:
It says there are idiots on both sides so it probably cancels out the effect
I'd say you are right; people bleating about straight bananas Vs people crying because they'll never be able to go to Europe again. The stupidity balances itself out.

Vanden Saab

3,543 posts

20 months

Monday 21st January
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
According to Sky News, 26% of those polled think a No Deal Brexit means we would stay in the EU.

This is 2.5 years since the referendum, 2.5 years during which Brexit has been big news. Probably safe to assume that as a nation, we are more knowledgeable now than when the referendum was held.

I've seen other polls in the past where 25% of people couldn't name the PM.

Without turning this into a Brexit yay or nay debate, what does this say about the validity of the referendum, the wisdom of calling it at all, and the point of having a 2nd referendum?

The thoughts of Ricky Gervais spring to mind:

We had a referendum, on an very complex issue, in a country where we still have to write DO NOT DRINK on bottles of bleach. We never should have had a referendum, but if we had to have one, we should have taken the warnings off the bleach.....for 2 years......and then had it.
It shows democracy at its very best. The stupid people cancel out the clever people and the normal people in the middle make all the decisions. See also elections where a small number of swing seats decide every election. Thus cancelling out the nutters on the extremes of both sides.

2gins

1,662 posts

108 months

Monday 21st January
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Bleach is a chemical substance and the labelling requirements are determined by the EU chemical classification, labelling and packaging regulations which replaced the former CHIP system in 2015. So Ricky's joke doesn't really work.

InitialDave

5,601 posts

65 months

Monday 21st January
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To paraphrase George Carlin, think about how thick the average person is, then realise that half of them are even thicker than that.

Pappyjohn

197 posts

17 months

Monday 21st January
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2gins said:
Bleach is a chemical substance and the labelling requirements are determined by the EU chemical classification, labelling and packaging regulations which replaced the former CHIP system in 2015. So Ricky's joke doesn't really work.
The labelling is also aimed at children who may understand what do not drink means but may not know what bleach is.

But yay Ricky Gervais kind of made a great joke.

StanleyT

1,155 posts

25 months

Monday 21st January
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Vanden Saab said:
It shows democracy at its very best. The stupid people cancel out the clever people and...........
You have to remember nearly 49.999r% of people are more stupid than average, some of them a lot more stupid than average, especially those that believe in Shatners Basoon syndrome.

And we let them vote!

That shows democracy at it's fail.

To vote in Tonksian land you would first have to prove a mild interest in politics through random questions at the polling station entrance, viz;
-How many Prime Ministers have been called Pitt?
-What car did Arthur Scargill drive at Orgreave?
-How many times did Churchill serve in the Houses of Commons and please recite his greatest speech through the media of silent mine.
-Who is greasier, Cameron or Osborne?
-Jeremy Corbyn has an allotment. Should he grow Avacados as they are the fruit of the right wing Chelsea Yummy Mummy set? Would growing left wing Marrows (when did anyone last see a marrow by the way have they allotexited) offset the vegetable political bias?
-How many days has Mrs. May got left as PM?
- How many times will you punch Bercow in the face?

Then and only then once people have proved their intelligence to vote, will I let them have a vote. And I'll tell them what the vote they can have is.




Johnnytheboy

18,495 posts

132 months

Monday 21st January
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voyds9 said:
It says there are idiots on both sides so it probably cancels out the effect
Indeed.

Unless the OP thinks one side has the monopoly on thickies....

dandarez

10,522 posts

229 months

Monday 21st January
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Pappyjohn said:
2gins said:
Bleach is a chemical substance and the labelling requirements are determined by the EU chemical classification, labelling and packaging regulations which replaced the former CHIP system in 2015. So Ricky's joke doesn't really work.
The labelling is also aimed at children who may understand what do not drink means but may not know what bleach is.

But yay Ricky Gervais kind of made a great joke.
Brings back a memory, not children (well...) when I worked at a uni. Freshers' evening (all pissed except me) when it was alerted that one fresher (girl - not you 2gins LOL) had taken her empty glass and refilled it. She'd found some 20 litre containers in a storeroom marked 'Danger! Chemicals! To her, because there were upside down cartons on a bench with a 'tap' on she assumed the 'clear' liquid in one was 'gin'!
It was (photographic) 'fixer'!

A right ol' panic! Good job the hospital wasn't far - stomach pump needed and a short stay.
Bet she learned a lesson that night!

Jasandjules

63,124 posts

175 months

Monday 21st January
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Without turning this into a Brexit yay or nay debate, what does this say about the validity of the referendum, the wisdom of calling it at all, and the point of having a 2nd referendum?
Welcome to democracy (of a kind).

You can decide if majoritarianism is ideal or some other version.

0a

21,482 posts

140 months

Monday 21st January
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Probably an online poll with some trolling. Move along!

vonuber

12,269 posts

111 months

Monday 21st January
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Who is greasier, Cameron or Osbourne? Oooh, tough call.

Gonna have to go Cameron i think.

TwigtheWonderkid

Original Poster:

29,810 posts

96 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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StanleyT said:
You have to remember nearly 49.999r% of people are more stupid than average,
I'm not sure that's how it works. If you have 10 people, one is 6ft tall and the other 9 are 5 ft tall, then 90% of them are shorter than average. I doubt the split of above/below average intelligence is 50/50.

Camoradi

3,181 posts

202 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Mean, median or mode average?

Boydie88

3,222 posts

95 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Referendum turnout was 72.2%.

I suspect there is a significant overlap in the supposed 25% of people that couldn't name the PM and the 27.8% of people that didn't bother with the referendum.

Some people just don't give a toss for politics, it doesn't void the result because these people didn't bother.

TwigtheWonderkid

Original Poster:

29,810 posts

96 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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Boydie88 said:
Referendum turnout was 72.2%.

I suspect there is a significant overlap in the supposed 25% of people that couldn't name the PM and the 27.8% of people that didn't bother with the referendum.

Some people just don't give a toss for politics, it doesn't void the result because these people didn't bother.
Let's hope so! hehe

Lord Pikey

3,230 posts

161 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
According to Sky News, 26% of those polled think a No Deal Brexit means we would stay in the EU.
Have you got a link to the poll? I can't find it.

thanks.


irocfan

20,414 posts

136 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
According to Sky News, 26% of those polled think a No Deal Brexit means we would stay in the EU.

This is 2.5 years since the referendum, 2.5 years during which Brexit has been big news. Probably safe to assume that as a nation, we are more knowledgeable now than when the referendum was held.

I've seen other polls in the past where 25% of people couldn't name the PM.

Without turning this into a Brexit yay or nay debate, what does this say about the validity of the referendum, the wisdom of calling it at all, and the point of having a 2nd referendum?

The thoughts of Ricky Gervais spring to mind:

We had a referendum, on an very complex issue, in a country where we still have to write DO NOT DRINK on bottles of bleach. We never should have had a referendum, but if we had to have one, we should have taken the warnings off the bleach.....for 2 years......and then had it.
By that logic why bother letting people have the vote at all?

Lord Pikey

3,230 posts

161 months