Dyson job losses
Discussion
PorkInsider said:
Troubleatmill said:
SeeFive said:
Park life.
That deserves a 
It’s treated as if it were a football match: all that matters is who won.
PorkInsider said:
I think that pretty well sums up many Brexiteers’ response to any questioning around the sanity of what we’re heading into.
It’s treated as if it were a football match: all that matters is who won.
Or they're not quite ready to grasp that all the things that were promised won't be delivered. It’s treated as if it were a football match: all that matters is who won.
cardigankid said:
Tuna - the hypocrisy is hilarious but not the way you portray it, as was stated earlier.
The problem I have with James Dyson is not that he is taking his company to Singapore, it is that he took a public position supporting Brexit which is in effect saying Britain should go it alone internationally, and now it appears he thinks that we should go it alone without him.
I can’t say that I like Dyson much. I don’t buy the genius inventor shtick. I think that he is the latest in a long line of people who have ‘invented a fantastic new vacuum cleaner’ that everyone has to have. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last, and in the end there are more important things in the world than vacuum cleaners. The difference with Dyson is that he has spun a brand round himself while hiring bright young people to do the actual work. What is the result? A vacuum cleaner, a hand drier and yet another person who is going to develop a wonderful electric car. Let me make a prediction. The new car will never happen unless some major industrial is prepared to do it for him and stick Dyson's name on the front. Maybe that is why he is going to Singapore, and in any case Singapore is welcome to him. He is just going to let people down, like all snake oil salesmen, and the sooner it happens and we deal with it the better.
So far as Brexit is concerned, he is just one of a number of prominent people who have political friends among the Brexiteers who was persuaded to throw his weight behind the bandwagon, in return for some payback we will find out about in due course. Neither he nor they offered any rational argument for it nor stuck around to deal with the problems but they managed to get a majority.
It will not surprise anyone that I voted remain. I did so because while the EU is far from perfect it is a relatively efficient trading group centred on the most efficient industrial machine in the world, I.e. Germany. It will succeed provided and to the extent that the other members move towards the German way of doing things. Because of our EU membership we have had inward investment which would never have happened otherwise, not least in the car industry which would not exist otherwise and is now heading back in that direction. We have got access to young people from Eastern Europe who are prepared to do the jobs which our young people won’t because we have proudly sent them all to University to study graphic design or stand-up comedy and they now think manual work is beneath them. I wish some Brexiteer would stand up and offer some rational explanation of how this shambles is going to work out in our favour, without raving on about the death of democracy, a concept which is not going to mean a hell of a lot when the day comes when we have nothing to eat. How for example the Irish border is going to be sorted. Who is going to staff our hotels. Who is going to drive our car industry forward often at a loss, when the Germans have given us up as a bad job and gone home.
Who voted for this? I see no reason to blame other than a class of obtuse short sighted isolationists suffering from their remaining delusions of grandeur. The UK is now an international joke. We have a government which with its supporters, for obscure reasons probably related to personal greed has led us into utter chaos with no solutions, strategic or tactical concept of how to deal with the situation. We have a Prime Minister who is unable to achieve consensus on anything, or even govern the country. Despite having a large number of talented and creative individuals Britain is utterly lacking in the financial muscle, depth of experience, drive and discipline to succeed in world markets. We are a country with an ageing population, an aversion to hard work, a culture of selling out rather than building up, governed by an Oxbridge led class of bureaucrats who still think that they are (and are capable of) running an empire, and would stamp out any spark of inconvenient entrepreneurship which threatened their ivory tower. James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship and the least of your concerns.
What a very good post and accurately reflects my own opinion!The problem I have with James Dyson is not that he is taking his company to Singapore, it is that he took a public position supporting Brexit which is in effect saying Britain should go it alone internationally, and now it appears he thinks that we should go it alone without him.
I can’t say that I like Dyson much. I don’t buy the genius inventor shtick. I think that he is the latest in a long line of people who have ‘invented a fantastic new vacuum cleaner’ that everyone has to have. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last, and in the end there are more important things in the world than vacuum cleaners. The difference with Dyson is that he has spun a brand round himself while hiring bright young people to do the actual work. What is the result? A vacuum cleaner, a hand drier and yet another person who is going to develop a wonderful electric car. Let me make a prediction. The new car will never happen unless some major industrial is prepared to do it for him and stick Dyson's name on the front. Maybe that is why he is going to Singapore, and in any case Singapore is welcome to him. He is just going to let people down, like all snake oil salesmen, and the sooner it happens and we deal with it the better.
So far as Brexit is concerned, he is just one of a number of prominent people who have political friends among the Brexiteers who was persuaded to throw his weight behind the bandwagon, in return for some payback we will find out about in due course. Neither he nor they offered any rational argument for it nor stuck around to deal with the problems but they managed to get a majority.
It will not surprise anyone that I voted remain. I did so because while the EU is far from perfect it is a relatively efficient trading group centred on the most efficient industrial machine in the world, I.e. Germany. It will succeed provided and to the extent that the other members move towards the German way of doing things. Because of our EU membership we have had inward investment which would never have happened otherwise, not least in the car industry which would not exist otherwise and is now heading back in that direction. We have got access to young people from Eastern Europe who are prepared to do the jobs which our young people won’t because we have proudly sent them all to University to study graphic design or stand-up comedy and they now think manual work is beneath them. I wish some Brexiteer would stand up and offer some rational explanation of how this shambles is going to work out in our favour, without raving on about the death of democracy, a concept which is not going to mean a hell of a lot when the day comes when we have nothing to eat. How for example the Irish border is going to be sorted. Who is going to staff our hotels. Who is going to drive our car industry forward often at a loss, when the Germans have given us up as a bad job and gone home.
Who voted for this? I see no reason to blame other than a class of obtuse short sighted isolationists suffering from their remaining delusions of grandeur. The UK is now an international joke. We have a government which with its supporters, for obscure reasons probably related to personal greed has led us into utter chaos with no solutions, strategic or tactical concept of how to deal with the situation. We have a Prime Minister who is unable to achieve consensus on anything, or even govern the country. Despite having a large number of talented and creative individuals Britain is utterly lacking in the financial muscle, depth of experience, drive and discipline to succeed in world markets. We are a country with an ageing population, an aversion to hard work, a culture of selling out rather than building up, governed by an Oxbridge led class of bureaucrats who still think that they are (and are capable of) running an empire, and would stamp out any spark of inconvenient entrepreneurship which threatened their ivory tower. James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship and the least of your concerns.
The real news for me, is not the move of the HQ alone, but the timing of the move, and the direction of travel.
Maybe at one point Dyson beleived in some form of Brexit, but now we have a clearer picture, it is very obvious he doesn't like what he sees.
And obviously, only 2 staff are moving now, but I doubt he is going to invest another penny in the UK and headcount will inevitably drop in Wiltshire over the years, slowly, then quickly.
So all in all a massive blow to the leavers cause. Really hard to spin this into a neutral, but bravo to those who are trying.
Maybe at one point Dyson beleived in some form of Brexit, but now we have a clearer picture, it is very obvious he doesn't like what he sees.
And obviously, only 2 staff are moving now, but I doubt he is going to invest another penny in the UK and headcount will inevitably drop in Wiltshire over the years, slowly, then quickly.
So all in all a massive blow to the leavers cause. Really hard to spin this into a neutral, but bravo to those who are trying.
samsock said:
The real news for me, is not the move of the HQ alone, but the timing of the move, and the direction of travel.
Maybe at one point Dyson beleived in some form of Brexit, but now we have a clearer picture, it is very obvious he doesn't like what he sees.
And obviously, only 2 staff are moving now, but I doubt he is going to invest another penny in the UK and headcount will inevitably drop in Wiltshire over the years, slowly, then quickly.
So all in all a massive blow to the leavers cause. Really hard to spin this into a neutral, but bravo to those who are trying.
Kind of how I see it too.Maybe at one point Dyson beleived in some form of Brexit, but now we have a clearer picture, it is very obvious he doesn't like what he sees.
And obviously, only 2 staff are moving now, but I doubt he is going to invest another penny in the UK and headcount will inevitably drop in Wiltshire over the years, slowly, then quickly.
So all in all a massive blow to the leavers cause. Really hard to spin this into a neutral, but bravo to those who are trying.
I wouldn't necessarily paint it as doom and gloom but it's most odd reading pages of people trying to say it doesn't matter and it's fine etc.
zygalski said:
otis criblecoblis said:
I was more wonder what the hell it meant , hence asking the significance of any of them.
No, not required to post here, but I do enjoy asking the dolt end of Remain here some questions and to see if they have the slightest clue on what they are on about. This being a classic gibberish post that only appeals to the shallow.
Since you are keen to add your 2p worth, why don't you have ago and explain what you took from it ?
Meh.No, not required to post here, but I do enjoy asking the dolt end of Remain here some questions and to see if they have the slightest clue on what they are on about. This being a classic gibberish post that only appeals to the shallow.
Since you are keen to add your 2p worth, why don't you have ago and explain what you took from it ?
You probably think Brexit's going really well.
Good for you. Perhaps you'll follow Dyson's lead & leave the country now the damage is done?
Scratch the surface, and the Corbyn/Momentum type hate exposes itself.
otis criblecoblis said:
I wonder what the hell is meant if Mogg opens a fund, and the children of an MEP have a passport of the birth country of their mother.
I’ll spell it out for you. The loudest Brexit voices told you how great the country is, how strong the country is and how being here is the best thing in the whole world. We’ve got our country back!Then it transpires they’re going to move to Monaco (Ratcliffe) and France (Lawson) or locate their business interests in Ireland (Mogg) and Singapore (Dyson) or get their children passports in Germany (Farage). Do as I say, not as I do.
Mogg’s Icav for example is set up in Dublin so that it can service clients in the EU. Feel free to shout dolt and non-story all you like but if you can’t or won’t see how this is a conflict of interests then I’m afraid I can’t help you.
cardigankid said:
Tuna - the hypocrisy is hilarious but not the way you portray it, as was stated earlier.
The problem I have with James Dyson is not that he is taking his company to Singapore, it is that he took a public position supporting Brexit which is in effect saying Britain should go it alone internationally, and now it appears he thinks that we should go it alone without him.
I can’t say that I like Dyson much. I don’t buy the genius inventor shtick. I think that he is the latest in a long line of people who have ‘invented a fantastic new vacuum cleaner’ that everyone has to have. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last, and in the end there are more important things in the world than vacuum cleaners. The difference with Dyson is that he has spun a brand round himself while hiring bright young people to do the actual work. What is the result? A vacuum cleaner, a hand drier and yet another person who is going to develop a wonderful electric car. Let me make a prediction. The new car will never happen unless some major industrial is prepared to do it for him and stick Dyson's name on the front. Maybe that is why he is going to Singapore, and in any case Singapore is welcome to him. He is just going to let people down, like all snake oil salesmen, and the sooner it happens and we deal with it the better.
So far as Brexit is concerned, he is just one of a number of prominent people who have political friends among the Brexiteers who was persuaded to throw his weight behind the bandwagon, in return for some payback we will find out about in due course. Neither he nor they offered any rational argument for it nor stuck around to deal with the problems but they managed to get a majority.
It will not surprise anyone that I voted remain. I did so because while the EU is far from perfect it is a relatively efficient trading group centred on the most efficient industrial machine in the world, I.e. Germany. It will succeed provided and to the extent that the other members move towards the German way of doing things. Because of our EU membership we have had inward investment which would never have happened otherwise, not least in the car industry which would not exist otherwise and is now heading back in that direction. We have got access to young people from Eastern Europe who are prepared to do the jobs which our young people won’t because we have proudly sent them all to University to study graphic design or stand-up comedy and they now think manual work is beneath them. I wish some Brexiteer would stand up and offer some rational explanation of how this shambles is going to work out in our favour, without raving on about the death of democracy, a concept which is not going to mean a hell of a lot when the day comes when we have nothing to eat. How for example the Irish border is going to be sorted. Who is going to staff our hotels. Who is going to drive our car industry forward often at a loss, when the Germans have given us up as a bad job and gone home.
Who voted for this? I see no reason to blame other than a class of obtuse short sighted isolationists suffering from their remaining delusions of grandeur. The UK is now an international joke. We have a government which with its supporters, for obscure reasons probably related to personal greed has led us into utter chaos with no solutions, strategic or tactical concept of how to deal with the situation. We have a Prime Minister who is unable to achieve consensus on anything, or even govern the country. Despite having a large number of talented and creative individuals Britain is utterly lacking in the financial muscle, depth of experience, drive and discipline to succeed in world markets. We are a country with an ageing population, an aversion to hard work, a culture of selling out rather than building up, governed by an Oxbridge led class of bureaucrats who still think that they are (and are capable of) running an empire, and would stamp out any spark of inconvenient entrepreneurship which threatened their ivory tower. James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship and the least of your concerns.
Not sure where to start on that one. Hope you feel better having let it all out though.The problem I have with James Dyson is not that he is taking his company to Singapore, it is that he took a public position supporting Brexit which is in effect saying Britain should go it alone internationally, and now it appears he thinks that we should go it alone without him.
I can’t say that I like Dyson much. I don’t buy the genius inventor shtick. I think that he is the latest in a long line of people who have ‘invented a fantastic new vacuum cleaner’ that everyone has to have. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last, and in the end there are more important things in the world than vacuum cleaners. The difference with Dyson is that he has spun a brand round himself while hiring bright young people to do the actual work. What is the result? A vacuum cleaner, a hand drier and yet another person who is going to develop a wonderful electric car. Let me make a prediction. The new car will never happen unless some major industrial is prepared to do it for him and stick Dyson's name on the front. Maybe that is why he is going to Singapore, and in any case Singapore is welcome to him. He is just going to let people down, like all snake oil salesmen, and the sooner it happens and we deal with it the better.
So far as Brexit is concerned, he is just one of a number of prominent people who have political friends among the Brexiteers who was persuaded to throw his weight behind the bandwagon, in return for some payback we will find out about in due course. Neither he nor they offered any rational argument for it nor stuck around to deal with the problems but they managed to get a majority.
It will not surprise anyone that I voted remain. I did so because while the EU is far from perfect it is a relatively efficient trading group centred on the most efficient industrial machine in the world, I.e. Germany. It will succeed provided and to the extent that the other members move towards the German way of doing things. Because of our EU membership we have had inward investment which would never have happened otherwise, not least in the car industry which would not exist otherwise and is now heading back in that direction. We have got access to young people from Eastern Europe who are prepared to do the jobs which our young people won’t because we have proudly sent them all to University to study graphic design or stand-up comedy and they now think manual work is beneath them. I wish some Brexiteer would stand up and offer some rational explanation of how this shambles is going to work out in our favour, without raving on about the death of democracy, a concept which is not going to mean a hell of a lot when the day comes when we have nothing to eat. How for example the Irish border is going to be sorted. Who is going to staff our hotels. Who is going to drive our car industry forward often at a loss, when the Germans have given us up as a bad job and gone home.
Who voted for this? I see no reason to blame other than a class of obtuse short sighted isolationists suffering from their remaining delusions of grandeur. The UK is now an international joke. We have a government which with its supporters, for obscure reasons probably related to personal greed has led us into utter chaos with no solutions, strategic or tactical concept of how to deal with the situation. We have a Prime Minister who is unable to achieve consensus on anything, or even govern the country. Despite having a large number of talented and creative individuals Britain is utterly lacking in the financial muscle, depth of experience, drive and discipline to succeed in world markets. We are a country with an ageing population, an aversion to hard work, a culture of selling out rather than building up, governed by an Oxbridge led class of bureaucrats who still think that they are (and are capable of) running an empire, and would stamp out any spark of inconvenient entrepreneurship which threatened their ivory tower. James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship and the least of your concerns.
The list of points where I fundamentally disagree with you is so long it's hardly worth even starting. I don't know if you're involved in tech innovation in any way, but your comments suggest you really don't understand the UK environment at all. I think you have next to no knowledge of what Dyson actually does, or how he got to a billion pounds a year earnings. I think you don't understand how we work in world markets. I think you dismiss anyone or anything you don't understand.
But I've quoted your post to see how accurate some of your beliefs turn out to be.
(Should've just gone with 'Parklife' - that made me laugh - sorry).
Piha said:
cardigankid said:
Tuna - the hypocrisy is hilarious but not the way you portray it, as was stated earlier.
The problem I have with James Dyson is not that he is taking his company to Singapore, it is that he took a public position supporting Brexit which is in effect saying Britain should go it alone internationally, and now it appears he thinks that we should go it alone without him.
I can’t say that I like Dyson much. I don’t buy the genius inventor shtick. I think that he is the latest in a long line of people who have ‘invented a fantastic new vacuum cleaner’ that everyone has to have. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last, and in the end there are more important things in the world than vacuum cleaners. The difference with Dyson is that he has spun a brand round himself while hiring bright young people to do the actual work. What is the result? A vacuum cleaner, a hand drier and yet another person who is going to develop a wonderful electric car. Let me make a prediction. The new car will never happen unless some major industrial is prepared to do it for him and stick Dyson's name on the front. Maybe that is why he is going to Singapore, and in any case Singapore is welcome to him. He is just going to let people down, like all snake oil salesmen, and the sooner it happens and we deal with it the better.
So far as Brexit is concerned, he is just one of a number of prominent people who have political friends among the Brexiteers who was persuaded to throw his weight behind the bandwagon, in return for some payback we will find out about in due course. Neither he nor they offered any rational argument for it nor stuck around to deal with the problems but they managed to get a majority.
It will not surprise anyone that I voted remain. I did so because while the EU is far from perfect it is a relatively efficient trading group centred on the most efficient industrial machine in the world, I.e. Germany. It will succeed provided and to the extent that the other members move towards the German way of doing things. Because of our EU membership we have had inward investment which would never have happened otherwise, not least in the car industry which would not exist otherwise and is now heading back in that direction. We have got access to young people from Eastern Europe who are prepared to do the jobs which our young people won’t because we have proudly sent them all to University to study graphic design or stand-up comedy and they now think manual work is beneath them. I wish some Brexiteer would stand up and offer some rational explanation of how this shambles is going to work out in our favour, without raving on about the death of democracy, a concept which is not going to mean a hell of a lot when the day comes when we have nothing to eat. How for example the Irish border is going to be sorted. Who is going to staff our hotels. Who is going to drive our car industry forward often at a loss, when the Germans have given us up as a bad job and gone home.
Who voted for this? I see no reason to blame other than a class of obtuse short sighted isolationists suffering from their remaining delusions of grandeur. The UK is now an international joke. We have a government which with its supporters, for obscure reasons probably related to personal greed has led us into utter chaos with no solutions, strategic or tactical concept of how to deal with the situation. We have a Prime Minister who is unable to achieve consensus on anything, or even govern the country. Despite having a large number of talented and creative individuals Britain is utterly lacking in the financial muscle, depth of experience, drive and discipline to succeed in world markets. We are a country with an ageing population, an aversion to hard work, a culture of selling out rather than building up, governed by an Oxbridge led class of bureaucrats who still think that they are (and are capable of) running an empire, and would stamp out any spark of inconvenient entrepreneurship which threatened their ivory tower. James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship and the least of your concerns.
What a very good post and accurately reflects my own opinion!The problem I have with James Dyson is not that he is taking his company to Singapore, it is that he took a public position supporting Brexit which is in effect saying Britain should go it alone internationally, and now it appears he thinks that we should go it alone without him.
I can’t say that I like Dyson much. I don’t buy the genius inventor shtick. I think that he is the latest in a long line of people who have ‘invented a fantastic new vacuum cleaner’ that everyone has to have. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last, and in the end there are more important things in the world than vacuum cleaners. The difference with Dyson is that he has spun a brand round himself while hiring bright young people to do the actual work. What is the result? A vacuum cleaner, a hand drier and yet another person who is going to develop a wonderful electric car. Let me make a prediction. The new car will never happen unless some major industrial is prepared to do it for him and stick Dyson's name on the front. Maybe that is why he is going to Singapore, and in any case Singapore is welcome to him. He is just going to let people down, like all snake oil salesmen, and the sooner it happens and we deal with it the better.
So far as Brexit is concerned, he is just one of a number of prominent people who have political friends among the Brexiteers who was persuaded to throw his weight behind the bandwagon, in return for some payback we will find out about in due course. Neither he nor they offered any rational argument for it nor stuck around to deal with the problems but they managed to get a majority.
It will not surprise anyone that I voted remain. I did so because while the EU is far from perfect it is a relatively efficient trading group centred on the most efficient industrial machine in the world, I.e. Germany. It will succeed provided and to the extent that the other members move towards the German way of doing things. Because of our EU membership we have had inward investment which would never have happened otherwise, not least in the car industry which would not exist otherwise and is now heading back in that direction. We have got access to young people from Eastern Europe who are prepared to do the jobs which our young people won’t because we have proudly sent them all to University to study graphic design or stand-up comedy and they now think manual work is beneath them. I wish some Brexiteer would stand up and offer some rational explanation of how this shambles is going to work out in our favour, without raving on about the death of democracy, a concept which is not going to mean a hell of a lot when the day comes when we have nothing to eat. How for example the Irish border is going to be sorted. Who is going to staff our hotels. Who is going to drive our car industry forward often at a loss, when the Germans have given us up as a bad job and gone home.
Who voted for this? I see no reason to blame other than a class of obtuse short sighted isolationists suffering from their remaining delusions of grandeur. The UK is now an international joke. We have a government which with its supporters, for obscure reasons probably related to personal greed has led us into utter chaos with no solutions, strategic or tactical concept of how to deal with the situation. We have a Prime Minister who is unable to achieve consensus on anything, or even govern the country. Despite having a large number of talented and creative individuals Britain is utterly lacking in the financial muscle, depth of experience, drive and discipline to succeed in world markets. We are a country with an ageing population, an aversion to hard work, a culture of selling out rather than building up, governed by an Oxbridge led class of bureaucrats who still think that they are (and are capable of) running an empire, and would stamp out any spark of inconvenient entrepreneurship which threatened their ivory tower. James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship and the least of your concerns.
Good stuff.
All Dyson has done is what most manufacturers did years ago.
Moved the so called unskilled aspect of his company to a cheap labour site as he feels it is unnecessary to pay 10ph for production when in his mind you can get the same for 3.
He was late doing it.
Most industry did it years ago and some are bringing it back because it is not made as well as it could be, note Merc quality when they moved decades ago, PCB manufacture in some countries and various other ways in which people abroad.
I can give you a perfect example. I worked for a relatively small manufacturer of sound equipment, we bought a similar size company abroad who made very high quality similar equipment on a similar scale. Things went well, quality remained the same, output increased slightly due to more staff as production was moved from there to here.
American multinational buys us, output is put from a few a month to tens, parts are bought cheaper raw material quality is lowered for increased profit, stuff is bundled out the door, quality suffers, plant is closed down and moved to Romania, quality suffers yet more, R&D stays here. We all get laid off.
This is how it works, accountant and money savers run companies, not real men. So this is why this happens.
Germany are not the biggest industrial nation in Europe because they are better, they simply invested in their industry and allowed it to flourish after the war, just like Japan.
We allowed ours to be broken up by unions and government.
Moved the so called unskilled aspect of his company to a cheap labour site as he feels it is unnecessary to pay 10ph for production when in his mind you can get the same for 3.
He was late doing it.
Most industry did it years ago and some are bringing it back because it is not made as well as it could be, note Merc quality when they moved decades ago, PCB manufacture in some countries and various other ways in which people abroad.
I can give you a perfect example. I worked for a relatively small manufacturer of sound equipment, we bought a similar size company abroad who made very high quality similar equipment on a similar scale. Things went well, quality remained the same, output increased slightly due to more staff as production was moved from there to here.
American multinational buys us, output is put from a few a month to tens, parts are bought cheaper raw material quality is lowered for increased profit, stuff is bundled out the door, quality suffers, plant is closed down and moved to Romania, quality suffers yet more, R&D stays here. We all get laid off.
This is how it works, accountant and money savers run companies, not real men. So this is why this happens.
Germany are not the biggest industrial nation in Europe because they are better, they simply invested in their industry and allowed it to flourish after the war, just like Japan.
We allowed ours to be broken up by unions and government.
Piha said:
cardigankid said:
T James Dyson is just another rat leaving the ship
What a very good post and accurately reflects my own opinion!But the underlying assertion that Dyson is leaving (all two people) because Brexit surely does not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny...
For a start, if Brexit was the cause why not move those two people to somewhere in the EU?
Secondly, is it not also possible that one factor might be that with Remainers having so comprehensively screwed up Brexit Dyson might be thinking that the advantages of a full Brexit are no longer available to the UK, and thus relocating to Singapore makes more sense?
andymadmak said:
Well, the post is an interpretation of events. You agree with it. That's fine. I'm less inclined to believe it. Who knows, maybe none/some/all of the assertions are correct.
But the underlying assertion that Dyson is leaving (all two people) because Brexit surely does not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny...
For a start, if Brexit was the cause why not move those two people to somewhere in the EU?
Secondly, is it not also possible that one factor might be that with Remainers having so comprehensively screwed up Brexit Dyson might be thinking that the advantages of a full Brexit are no longer available to the UK, and thus relocating to Singapore makes more sense?
Panasonic and Sony relocated to the EU and we were told it wasn't due to Brexit even though both said it was.But the underlying assertion that Dyson is leaving (all two people) because Brexit surely does not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny...
For a start, if Brexit was the cause why not move those two people to somewhere in the EU?
Secondly, is it not also possible that one factor might be that with Remainers having so comprehensively screwed up Brexit Dyson might be thinking that the advantages of a full Brexit are no longer available to the UK, and thus relocating to Singapore makes more sense?
And now Dyson has moved because of remainers.
Brilliant.
hstewie said:chunder27 said:
All Dyson has done is what most manufacturers did years ago.
Moved the so called unskilled aspect of his company to a cheap labour site as he feels it is unnecessary to pay 10ph for production when in his mind you can get the same for 3.
Singapore is not cheap manufacturing... look at the costs of living and now they have minimum wage rolling out... It is high in productivity, has good infrastructure, education and is good for attracting talent from the APAC region as it's a pretty nice place to be (with families, etc) Moved the so called unskilled aspect of his company to a cheap labour site as he feels it is unnecessary to pay 10ph for production when in his mind you can get the same for 3.
It is decreasingly competitive on raw cost (source: Deloitte) but increasingly competitive on higher value skills, like design, systems engineering and integration, coding, etc.
andymadmak said:
Well, the post is an interpretation of events. You agree with it. That's fine. I'm less inclined to believe it. Who knows, maybe none/some/all of the assertions are correct.
But the underlying assertion that Dyson is leaving (all two people) because Brexit surely does not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny...
For a start, if Brexit was the cause why not move those two people to somewhere in the EU?
Secondly, is it not also possible that one factor might be that with Remainers having so comprehensively screwed up Brexit Dyson might be thinking that the advantages of a full Brexit are no longer available to the UK, and thus relocating to Singapore makes more sense?
Maybe Jimmy D is moving because he demanded the UK join the Euro and he didn't get what he wanted?But the underlying assertion that Dyson is leaving (all two people) because Brexit surely does not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny...
For a start, if Brexit was the cause why not move those two people to somewhere in the EU?
Secondly, is it not also possible that one factor might be that with Remainers having so comprehensively screwed up Brexit Dyson might be thinking that the advantages of a full Brexit are no longer available to the UK, and thus relocating to Singapore makes more sense?
otis criblecoblis said:
zygalski said:
otis criblecoblis said:
I was more wonder what the hell it meant , hence asking the significance of any of them.
No, not required to post here, but I do enjoy asking the dolt end of Remain here some questions and to see if they have the slightest clue on what they are on about. This being a classic gibberish post that only appeals to the shallow.
Since you are keen to add your 2p worth, why don't you have ago and explain what you took from it ?
Meh.No, not required to post here, but I do enjoy asking the dolt end of Remain here some questions and to see if they have the slightest clue on what they are on about. This being a classic gibberish post that only appeals to the shallow.
Since you are keen to add your 2p worth, why don't you have ago and explain what you took from it ?
You probably think Brexit's going really well.
Good for you. Perhaps you'll follow Dyson's lead & leave the country now the damage is done?
Scratch the surface, and the Corbyn/Momentum type hate exposes itself.
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