Dyson job losses
Discussion
andymadmak said:
Piha said:
Maybe Jimmy D is moving because he demanded the UK join the Euro and he didn't get what he wanted?
So why not move to a Eurozone country?samsock said:
The real news for me, is not the move of the HQ alone, but the timing of the move, and the direction of travel.
Maybe at one point Dyson beleived in some form of Brexit, but now we have a clearer picture, it is very obvious he doesn't like what he sees.
And obviously, only 2 staff are moving now, but I doubt he is going to invest another penny in the UK and headcount will inevitably drop in Wiltshire over the years, slowly, then quickly.
So all in all a massive blow to the leavers cause. Really hard to spin this into a neutral, but bravo to those who are trying.
But what about this? Maybe at one point Dyson beleived in some form of Brexit, but now we have a clearer picture, it is very obvious he doesn't like what he sees.
And obviously, only 2 staff are moving now, but I doubt he is going to invest another penny in the UK and headcount will inevitably drop in Wiltshire over the years, slowly, then quickly.
So all in all a massive blow to the leavers cause. Really hard to spin this into a neutral, but bravo to those who are trying.
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I mean I know some of it is in planning, but he has already spent some considerable money on this and is supposedly geared up to spend a heck of a lot more on this place/venture....they're not just going to drop that/ramp down are they?
Vaud said:
chunder27 said:
All Dyson has done is what most manufacturers did years ago.
Moved the so called unskilled aspect of his company to a cheap labour site as he feels it is unnecessary to pay 10ph for production when in his mind you can get the same for 3.
Singapore is not cheap manufacturing... look at the costs of living and now they have minimum wage rolling out... It is high in productivity, has good infrastructure, education and is good for attracting talent from the APAC region as it's a pretty nice place to be (with families, etc) Moved the so called unskilled aspect of his company to a cheap labour site as he feels it is unnecessary to pay 10ph for production when in his mind you can get the same for 3.
It is decreasingly competitive on raw cost (source: Deloitte) but increasingly competitive on higher value skills, like design, systems engineering and integration, coding, etc.
In addition to that, he doesn't need to hire Singaporeans in Singapore. Sure hiring a Singaporean is expensive, but not a Malay, let alone a Filipino. Setting up in Singapore is really just an easy way to get access to the rest of the ASEAN countries.
andymadmak said:
Piha said:
Mibbes due to the fact that Brexit is looking like an utter disaster for the whole region? I mean, it's not like wee Jimmy wasn't a vociferous Brexit supporter that now wants away......
Nah, you're over reaching now. Dindoit said:
Says the person who blames Dyson’s relocation on remainers.
That's a bit of a misquote from you isn't it? You don't know what my thoughts are on the matter. I just find it slightly odd that Dyson is moving because of Brexit (if some on here are to be believed) but he isn't moving into the EU. Which begs the question why, if it's not down to Brexit, he is moving from the UK?
ONE factor might be because the current Brexit deal effectively represents the worst possible scenario. (BRINO) Who constructed this deal, who is telling us it's the only game in town? The EU and a Remainer dominated Government, that's who.
rockin said:
andymadmak said:
Who constructed this deal, who is telling us it's the only game in town? The EU and a Remainer dominated Government, that's who.
You'd better nip out and explain that to the CEO of Airbus Industries.... 
I suppose what I am saying is that big business does what it thinks is in its own best interests. If threats to leave the UK under the guise of Brexit were to generate offers of grants to stay from the UK, or offers of grants to relocate to somewhere else from A N Other country (both of which could be worth hundreds of millions of pounds to Airbus) then the CEO would have done his job very well indeed.
Let's also not forget that Airbus has made similar noises before, only it used other excuses instead of Brexit on those occasions.
But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
rockin said:
andymadmak said:
Who constructed this deal, who is telling us it's the only game in town? The EU and a Remainer dominated Government, that's who.
You'd better nip out and explain that to the CEO of Airbus Industries.... [quote=andymadmak
But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
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Panasonic and Sony moving, was that hype?
Who's this caller to NP&Es favourite talk show host? someone from here, there's even a Hitler reference.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
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Panasonic and Sony moving, was that hype?
Who's this caller to NP&Es favourite talk show host? someone from here, there's even a Hitler reference.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
andymadmak said:
Dindoit said:
Says the person who blames Dyson’s relocation on remainers.
That's a bit of a misquote from you isn't it? andymadmak said:
Secondly, is it not also possible that one factor might be that with Remainers having so comprehensively screwed up Brexit Dyson might be thinking that the advantages of a full Brexit are no longer available to the UK, and thus relocating to Singapore makes more sense?
Edited by Dindoit on Thursday 24th January 13:48
chrispmartha said:
[quote=andymadmak
But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
Panasonic and Sony moving, was that hype?But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
Who's this caller to NP&Es favourite talk show host? someone from here, there's even a Hitler reference.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
Dindoit said:
andymadmak said:
Dindoit said:
Says the person who blames Dyson’s relocation on remainers.
That's a bit of a misquote from you isn't it? You don't know what my thoughts are on the matter. I just find it slightly odd that Dyson is moving because of Brexit (if some on here are to be believed) but he isn't moving into the EU. Which begs the question why, if it's not down to Brexit, he is moving from the UK?
ONE factor might be because the current Brexit deal effectively represents the worst possible scenario. (BRINO) Who constructed this deal, who is telling us it's the only game in town? The EU and a Remainer dominated Government, that's who.
Leonard Stanley said:
chrispmartha said:
[quote=andymadmak
But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
Panasonic and Sony moving, was that hype? But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
Leonard Stanley said:
Who's this caller to NP&Es favourite talk show host? someone from here, there's even a Hitler reference.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
Expertly dismantled. 'It's not your fault this, Steve'. 'Look what they've reduced you too'.
James O'Brien. I cannot listen to him. I prefer chat show hosts who don't talk over the people they are interviewing within 2 words of the interviewee starting his answer. I can respect his (JOB) views are different to mine in many aspects, but his approach is boorish and bullying. Its not surprising that he doesn't understand the other side of the argument, - he simply refuses to listen to it, let alone consider it. https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
Expertly dismantled. 'It's not your fault this, Steve'. 'Look what they've reduced you too'.
All in my opinion of course.
andymadmak said:
Leonard Stanley said:
chrispmartha said:
[quote=andymadmak
But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
Panasonic and Sony moving, was that hype? But, you may be right. You certainly seem to want to believe the hype.
Leonard Stanley said:
Who's this caller to NP&Es favourite talk show host? someone from here, there's even a Hitler reference.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
Expertly dismantled. 'It's not your fault this, Steve'. 'Look what they've reduced you too'.
James O'Brien. I cannot listen to him. I prefer chat show hosts who don't talk over the people they are interviewing within 2 words of the interviewee starting his answer. I can respect his (JOB) views are different to mine in many aspects, but his approach is boorish and bullying. Its not surprising that he doesn't understand the other side of the argument, - he simply refuses to listen to it, let alone consider it. https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrie...
Expertly dismantled. 'It's not your fault this, Steve'. 'Look what they've reduced you too'.
All in my opinion of course.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: When Steve's argument includes gems such as "If we can stand up to Nazi Germany" I'm not sure it's much of an argument.
Whenever someone brings such comments into a discussion, I simply fail to see how anyone can support the callers views. Shocking.Piha said:
Whenever someone brings such comments into a discussion, I simply fail to see how anyone can support the callers views. Shocking.
Who said I am supporting the callers views? You Remain types do like to misquote, slur and smear don't you!!!??All I said was I cannot listen to James O'Brien. If he's had some shouty ranty Hitler referencing chap on who claims to support Brexit then :
1. I wouldn't know because I don't listen to JOB.
2. I wouldn't be able to express an opinion on the interviewee because I don't listen to JOB.
3. Just how representative the interviewees comments are of Brexit voters as a whole is a mystery to me because I don't listen to JOB.
Are you getting the message yet?
andymadmak said:
Piha said:
Whenever someone brings such comments into a discussion, I simply fail to see how anyone can support the callers views. Shocking.
Who said I am supporting the callers views? You Remain types do like to misquote, slur and smear don't you!!!??All I said was I cannot listen to James O'Brien. If he's had some shouty ranty Hitler referencing chap on who claims to support Brexit then :
1. I wouldn't know because I don't listen to JOB.
2. I wouldn't be able to express an opinion on the interviewee because I don't listen to JOB.
3. Just how representative the interviewees comments are of Brexit voters as a whole is a mystery to me because I don't listen to JOB.
Are you getting the message yet?
If you have the impression I attributed support of the callers views onto you, then that was entirely not my intention.
Piha said:
Er, I would have named you if I thought you were supporting the callers nazi comment. Please feel free to show me where I said you were supporting the callers views.
If you have the impression I attributed support of the callers views onto you, then that was entirely not my intention.
OK, thanks. Sorry I misunderstoodIf you have the impression I attributed support of the callers views onto you, then that was entirely not my intention.
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