Dyson job losses
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cardigankid said:
Piha said:
REALIST123 said:
May I ask you a serious question? Have you seen anyone or received treatment for your apparent issues?
I’ve seem lots of posts of yours on many subjects but can’t tecall one with a speck of optimism or positivity.
If it’s not Jaguar who are doomed to failure it’s the ‘irrational little Englanders’ or the multinational Dyson who only make vacuum cleaners, hand driers and hair driers.
Is there anything positive in your life?
I see you’re in Scotland, maybe a dour jock but seriously, why do you bother?
Why the infantile name calling and petty insults?I’ve seem lots of posts of yours on many subjects but can’t tecall one with a speck of optimism or positivity.
If it’s not Jaguar who are doomed to failure it’s the ‘irrational little Englanders’ or the multinational Dyson who only make vacuum cleaners, hand driers and hair driers.
Is there anything positive in your life?
I see you’re in Scotland, maybe a dour jock but seriously, why do you bother?
andymadmak said:
zygalski said:
I tell you what - we'll never know. So let's just ditch it & hope for the best, eh?
And while we're at it, let 25% of the adult population who don't even work help decide.
You believe that the unemployed should be disenfranchised? And while we're at it, let 25% of the adult population who don't even work help decide.
zygalski said:
David Cameron is a t
t.
In general, or more specifically because he kept his promise to offer a Referendum? The same promise that the leaders of every major political party had made in the preceding 15 years, but had then broken once they got elected..... t.So, in Zygalski utopia, the unemployed are not to be considered worthy of making decisions, (presumably that would also apply if they agreed with your own view on a subject?) and political leaders who actually do what they said they were going to do prior to being elected are the villains....
Your mask slips.
Why on Earth should pensioners decide on what happens to those in work, who may well face redundancy as a direct result of Brexit?
How can a member of the public possibly quantify the cost/benefits of Brexit? Economists struggle.
The EU referendum was a ludicrous proposition to offer the UK public, and only came about so that Cameron could squeeze out another term.
The resulting disaster is no surprise.
toppstuff said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
toppstuff said:
We have become the 5th largest economy in the world while also in spite of being a member of the EU. This is fact.
So the EU is quite clearly not an unmitigated disaster, given we have done so well even as members of it.
FTFY.So the EU is quite clearly not an unmitigated disaster, given we have done so well even as members of it.
amusingduck said:
Facts only matter in context. Why don't you apply some?
You tried to abuse context.The UK absolutely IS the fifth largest economy in the World. It irrefutably has achieved this while being a member of the EU.
You argued that it was 4th in the 1960's. ( quite correct ) implying that being in the EU since then has therefore eroded our position.
I countered that the movement from 4th to 5th is entirely because China has risen from being outside of the Top 10, therefore pushing everyone down a spot. This is also axiomatic.
You cheeky monkey. You were quite correctly called out.
toppstuff said:
amusingduck said:
Facts only matter in context. Why don't you apply some?
You tried to abuse context.The UK absolutely IS the fifth largest economy in the World. It irrefutably has achieved this while being a member of the EU.
You argued that it was 4th in the 1960's. ( quite correct ) implying that being in the EU since then has therefore eroded our position.
I countered that the movement from 4th to 5th is entirely because China has risen from being outside of the Top 10, therefore pushing everyone down a spot. This is also axiomatic.
You cheeky monkey. You were quite correctly called out.
Neither of us has demonstrated anything of the sort. Which is exactly my point!
It's also a fact that after we voted to Leave, we hit record high levels of employment - higher than at any point of our EEC/EU membership. This, too, is a meaningless fact, because I haven't demonstrated that it happened because of the vote, just as you did not demonstrate that our position improved because of our EU membership.
amusingduck said:
It's also a fact that after we voted to Leave, we hit record high levels of employment - higher than at any point of our EEC/EU membership. This, too, is a meaningless fact, because I haven't demonstrated that it happened because of the vote, just as you did not demonstrate that our position improved because of our EU membership.
You are confusing correlation with causation. Our employment levels have raised because of the devaluation of the pound. toppstuff said:
amusingduck said:
It's also a fact that after we voted to Leave, we hit record high levels of employment - higher than at any point of our EEC/EU membership. This, too, is a meaningless fact, because I haven't demonstrated that it happened because of the vote, just as you did not demonstrate that our position improved because of our EU membership.
You are confusing correlation with causation. Our employment levels have raised because of the devaluation of the pound. 
zygalski said:
It's not just the unemployed par se.
ahh, so who else is scheduled for the wall then comrade?zygalski said:
Why on Earth should pensioners decide on what happens to those in work, who may well face redundancy as a direct result of Brexit?
So that's the unemployed and the elderly. Good work so far. Anyone else?zygalski said:
How can a member of the public possibly quantify the cost/benefits of Brexit?
Well, Brexit was never just about costs/benefits. But leaving that aside I think we get the gist of your message. So that's the public for the wall too (although, presumably only those that disagree with your view?) zygalski said:
Economists struggle.
At last! something we can agree on.zygalski said:
The EU referendum was a ludicrous proposition to offer the UK public, and only came about so that Cameron could squeeze out another term.
The shame of a politician carrying out what he promised to the electorate. What on earth was he thinking of? Cameron is neither unemployed, old nor average member of the public... So does he still get a vote? zygalski said:
The resulting disaster is no surprise.
It's a good job you're not in a position of political power. Some of your views are genuinely scary!amusingduck said:
toppstuff said:
ex1 said:
Don’t believe the hype. We’re the 5th largest economy in the world, everything is going to be fine. We import more from the EU than we export and have a much larger service based economy making us much more adaptable. The Germans are hoping to pump just under 1 million cars into the uk over the next 12mths not to mentions the fridges, cookers etc, these business will figure it out.
The EU is an unmitigated disaster, unrecognisable from the initial concept just because the breakup might be difficult doesn’t mean you should stay in a bad relationship.
We have become the 5th largest economy in the world while also being a member of the EU. This is fact. The EU is an unmitigated disaster, unrecognisable from the initial concept just because the breakup might be difficult doesn’t mean you should stay in a bad relationship.
So the EU is quite clearly not an unmitigated disaster, given we have done so well as members of it.
Maybe random facts aren't the best way to argue your point, unless you're demonstrating a causal link
As it stands today we are a pretty big player and consume lots of stuff from around the world so all the hype about the sky falling in is just bs. Politians are scrambling to find away to keep us in as it makes things easier for them. They need someone to blame when things go to s
t.The EU has some fundamental flaws and serious issues that are being brushed under the carpet. If the tables were turned and we were asked to vote on joining the EU now in 2019 I cant see that anyone would vote yes. It would be utter madness to join such a club in the position we are in.
People just dont like change but sometimes its needed.
toppstuff said:
ex1 said:
Don’t believe the hype. We’re the 5th largest economy in the world, everything is going to be fine. We import more from the EU than we export and have a much larger service based economy making us much more adaptable. The Germans are hoping to pump just under 1 million cars into the uk over the next 12mths not to mentions the fridges, cookers etc, these business will figure it out.
The EU is an unmitigated disaster, unrecognisable from the initial concept just because the breakup might be difficult doesn’t mean you should stay in a bad relationship.
We have become the 5th largest economy in the world while also being a member of the EU. This is fact. The EU is an unmitigated disaster, unrecognisable from the initial concept just because the breakup might be difficult doesn’t mean you should stay in a bad relationship.
So the EU is quite clearly not an unmitigated disaster, given we have done so well as members of it.
My subjective view is that the UK like the Republic of Ireland has been good at jumping on any bandwagon which sorts its immediate financial problems and joining the EU did that, while retaining the pound and London financial services keeps our options open. I think that Brexit is being done for other reasons, and our politicians are maybe not now seeing the UK as the ultimate source of their continuing comfortable lifestyles. This is part of becoming a smaller country but should be worrying for the rest of us.
The EU got us initial infrastructure investment, along with a great deal of industrial investment from the EU, Germany in particular, and from beyond the EU specifically because we have access to the EU market while retaining a good lifestyle and an independent currency. This is what has 'reindustrialised' the UK, in so far as we have reindustrialised. All of that is now in reverse, so it is unclear where the investment is going to come from in future.
Financial services, of which the Germans are extremely jealous, have always been and remain a big part of the UK's wealth, but since the credit crunch has been living on government provided life support. We will see how long the UK remains number 5 if this disaster continues.
zygalski said:
Why on Earth should pensioners decide on what happens to those in work, who may well face redundancy as a direct result of Brexit?
F***ing ageist! When we were young we respected our elders (mind you, we understood that we'd probably have been goosestepping if it hadn't been for them). You seem to conveniently forget that one day you too will be a pensioner (if you're lucky to live that long - looking round me at the mo at the obesity of many, perhaps not?).
Imagine the generation following your footsteps all angry like you but far worse: they might decide you all need hanging from lamposts.
Careful what you wish for.
ex1 said:
We’re the 5th largest economy in the world, everything is going to be fine.
In amongst the hyperbole of "BMW want to sell us cars" there is an element of truth to this statement above.Generally things are going to be fine. I do OK in life and I'll certainly be fine. I expect to be a little bit worse of financially but I'll be fine. My business will be affected by longer delays, extra paperwork and potentially have higher import costs but overall it'll be fine.
The people who won't be fine are the ones that don't have much. The ones that will notice the cost of their weekly supermarket bill rise and notice less in their pockets the day before pay/benefit day as a result of the government coffers not being quite as full. They're the ones who will be hit hardest.
Then you have the other end of the scale for people like Mogg's Irish fund betting against the value of the pound, Ratcliffe moving to Monaco and Dyson moving operations to Singapore. They will be better than fine, they'll be better off as a direct result of Brexit. They are the ones I and many others are taking issue with.
toppstuff said:
You tried to abuse context.
The UK absolutely IS the fifth largest economy in the World. It irrefutably has achieved this while being a member of the EU.
'Achieved' implies that it was previously far lower and has dragged itself up to that position.The UK absolutely IS the fifth largest economy in the World. It irrefutably has achieved this while being a member of the EU.
Not true though is it? Amusingduck's 'meaningless statistics' are relevant here. The UK's position has remained pretty much unchanged during membership of the EU. So to imply membership has had any effect at all on our standing globally is... meaningless. Is that enough context?
Dindoit said:
In amongst the hyperbole of "BMW want to sell us cars" there is an element of truth to this statement above.
Generally things are going to be fine. I do OK in life and I'll certainly be fine. I expect to be a little bit worse of financially but I'll be fine. My business will be affected by longer delays, extra paperwork and potentially have higher import costs but overall it'll be fine.
The people who won't be fine are the ones that don't have much. The ones that will notice the cost of their weekly supermarket bill rise and notice less in their pockets the day before pay/benefit day as a result of the government coffers not being quite as full. They're the ones who will be hit hardest.
Then you have the other end of the scale for people like Mogg's Irish fund betting against the value of the pound, Ratcliffe moving to Monaco and Dyson moving operations to Singapore. They will be better than fine, they'll be better off as a direct result of Brexit. They are the ones I and many others are taking issue with.
The people with nothing will be worse off, ok if you say so... Generally things are going to be fine. I do OK in life and I'll certainly be fine. I expect to be a little bit worse of financially but I'll be fine. My business will be affected by longer delays, extra paperwork and potentially have higher import costs but overall it'll be fine.
The people who won't be fine are the ones that don't have much. The ones that will notice the cost of their weekly supermarket bill rise and notice less in their pockets the day before pay/benefit day as a result of the government coffers not being quite as full. They're the ones who will be hit hardest.
Then you have the other end of the scale for people like Mogg's Irish fund betting against the value of the pound, Ratcliffe moving to Monaco and Dyson moving operations to Singapore. They will be better than fine, they'll be better off as a direct result of Brexit. They are the ones I and many others are taking issue with.
dandarez said:
zygalski said:
Why on Earth should pensioners decide on what happens to those in work, who may well face redundancy as a direct result of Brexit?
F***ing ageist! When we were young we respected our elders (mind you, we understood that we'd probably have been goosestepping if it hadn't been for them). You seem to conveniently forget that one day you too will be a pensioner (if you're lucky to live that long - looking round me at the mo at the obesity of many, perhaps not?).
Imagine the generation following your footsteps all angry like you but far worse: they might decide you all need hanging from lamposts.
Careful what you wish for.
It's a bit akin to getting travellers to vote on tax regs.
zygalski said:
If I were an OAP then I doubt I'd have voted on the EU referendum.
It's a bit akin to getting travellers to vote on tax regs.
Seriously? Say you are 65, odds are you may live another 20 years. You would prefer a bunch of immature momentum voters to have a bigger influence on future policies then a generation that has seen and experienced lot more, and care about their kids and grandkids?.It's a bit akin to getting travellers to vote on tax regs.
Tuna said:
The UK's position has remained pretty much unchanged during membership of the EU. So to imply membership has had any effect at all on our standing globally is... meaningless. Is that enough context?
You appear to have forgotten UK had to be bailed out by the IMF, but why let facts stand in the way.It's like an episode of Air Crash Investigation - "controlled flight into terrain".
Exige77 said:
That's fascinating. China from 2007 onwards 
Vanden Saab said:
Dindoit said:
In amongst the hyperbole of "BMW want to sell us cars" there is an element of truth to this statement above.
Generally things are going to be fine. I do OK in life and I'll certainly be fine. I expect to be a little bit worse of financially but I'll be fine. My business will be affected by longer delays, extra paperwork and potentially have higher import costs but overall it'll be fine.
The people who won't be fine are the ones that don't have much. The ones that will notice the cost of their weekly supermarket bill rise and notice less in their pockets the day before pay/benefit day as a result of the government coffers not being quite as full. They're the ones who will be hit hardest.
Then you have the other end of the scale for people like Mogg's Irish fund betting against the value of the pound, Ratcliffe moving to Monaco and Dyson moving operations to Singapore. They will be better than fine, they'll be better off as a direct result of Brexit. They are the ones I and many others are taking issue with.
The people with nothing will be worse off, ok if you say so... Generally things are going to be fine. I do OK in life and I'll certainly be fine. I expect to be a little bit worse of financially but I'll be fine. My business will be affected by longer delays, extra paperwork and potentially have higher import costs but overall it'll be fine.
The people who won't be fine are the ones that don't have much. The ones that will notice the cost of their weekly supermarket bill rise and notice less in their pockets the day before pay/benefit day as a result of the government coffers not being quite as full. They're the ones who will be hit hardest.
Then you have the other end of the scale for people like Mogg's Irish fund betting against the value of the pound, Ratcliffe moving to Monaco and Dyson moving operations to Singapore. They will be better than fine, they'll be better off as a direct result of Brexit. They are the ones I and many others are taking issue with.
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