Current Jaguar Range

Current Jaguar Range

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bad company

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11,111 posts

214 months

Wednesday 30th January
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I’ve had several Jaguars in the past including 2 x XJ’s, an XK and an S Type. I’ve just started researching to order a new car later in the year. I was so disappointed with the Jaguar range. The XJ only seems to be available with a Diesel engine. The XF has a diesel or very unexciting 2 litre petrol, where is the high performance option? The same seems to apply to the XE.

I understand that SUV’s are pretty good but I want a high performance saloon.

Such a shame, Jaguar had so much promise but the range looks pretty poor now to me. No wonder they’re in the poo.

8bit

2,779 posts

103 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Oh here we go again...

bad company

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11,111 posts

214 months

Wednesday 30th January
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8bit said:
Oh here we go again...
Terribly sorry if this may have been mentioned before. If it did I missed it and certainly didn’t take part.

I assume you have no other comment.

fatboy b

8,322 posts

164 months

Wednesday 30th January
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8bit said:
Oh here we go again...
And so what? It’s currently a crap line up. Who cares if we keep debating it. Don’t like a thread, trot on my friend.

akadk

781 posts

127 months

Wednesday 30th January
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Isn’t 300PS high performance any more?

Still some nearly new 380 V6 XE’s out there also

bad company

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Wednesday 30th January
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akadk said:
Isn’t 300PS high performance any more?

Still some nearly new 380 V6 XE’s out there also
Why aren’t the 340 & 380’s available on the XS & XF?

REALIST123

12,314 posts

101 months

Thursday 31st January
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When (if it happens) is the IL6 Ingenium due? That should satisfy even the most demanding willy waver.

However, I can’t see why you would dismiss the current range of 4s. I’ve had a series of 6 cylinder cars since the early 2000s, including a 530d, 911S, and still own a 350SLK.

The 25T stacks up well, IMO. A little light on low down torque maybe, but very free revving, smooth and quiet. Better than the BMW 2.0T offering, again IMO.

The point, I guess, is that these engines offer good fuel economy; I average around 40mpg in my XF, used to get 44/45 in the 530d.

I might well try an IL6 if they do one but can’t see it being worthwhile for me, given today’s roads and my typical usage.

Edited by REALIST123 on Thursday 31st January 11:51

8bit

2,779 posts

103 months

Thursday 31st January
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fatboy b said:
And so what? It’s currently a crap line up. Who cares if we keep debating it. Don’t like a thread, trot on my friend.
Sometimes seems like every third or fourth thread in here is just a group whinge about the current Jaguar line-up, from long-time owners who wish Jag still made the XJS and can't see why they won't sell in the modern automotive market. Just wish someone would change the record, my friend.

Domf

286 posts

103 months

Thursday 31st January
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bad company said:
akadk said:
Isn’t 300PS high performance any more?

Still some nearly new 380 V6 XE’s out there also
Why aren’t the 340 & 380’s available on the XS & XF?
The new emissions tests WLTP really killed the 340 & 380 engines in the XE and XF for the UK market because the emissions are used to calculate the Road Tax in the UK. The V6 is still produced for other markets around the Globe. But all manufacturers are down sizing engines or removing models, take the Golf, only the Golf GTI remains, the Golf R and Golf GTD succumbed to WLTP. Audi, BMW and Mercedes have quietly removed models or down sized engines ,maintaining performance usually by putting more turbo's on them! The manufacturers have to reduce their overall C02 and Nox emissions from their ranges, if they do not meet these stringent emission levels, then from 2020 the manufacturers face hefty fines for producing dirty cars! Hence most manufacturers are in the development cycle of mild or heavy hybrids or full electrics, Jaguar is already there with the I-Pace and both the XE and XF are due to have hybrid options. The days of big cubed petrol engines are numbered, even Ford is bringing out a hybrid Mustang.

8bit

2,779 posts

103 months

Thursday 31st January
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bad company said:
Terribly sorry if this may have been mentioned before. If it did I missed it and certainly didn’t take part.

I assume you have no other comment.
You can't have looked very hard in here if you didn't find a thread covering this ground already. As regards your question, it depends what you mean by "high performance". If you mean a big engine then the biggest you'll get is the 3.0 V6 in petrol (XF only) or diesel (XJ only). If you mean something quick then the smaller engines do work well with the 8 speed auto transmission. Even the 2.0d in an XE with the 8sp auto box can make fairly rapid progress.

Chamon_Lee

2,625 posts

95 months

Thursday 31st January
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Totally agree OP. the XF and XE were "old" as soon as they were released and they are in no rush to facelift release new models. The XJ I still think looks gorgeous but come on its 10 years old now.

What is more annoying is they seem to have power trains available but I think they have struggled to alter them enough for the new emission standards as well as other manufacturers have.

They just don't seem to be a very adaptable company and ironically this was always the issue the had.
I also think they have spent a st load of time and resources on the epace thingy which again I personally feel already looks old. Doesn't look anywhere near fresh.

BenjiS

570 posts

39 months

Thursday 31st January
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Domf said:
bad company said:
akadk said:
Isn’t 300PS high performance any more?

Still some nearly new 380 V6 XE’s out there also
Why aren’t the 340 & 380’s available on the XS & XF?
The new emissions tests WLTP really killed the 340 & 380 engines in the XE and XF for the UK market because the emissions are used to calculate the Road Tax in the UK.
Even when they were available, they sold next to bugger all of them. So it was a financial decision to pull them as well.

Despite ‘everyone’ bleating they wanted a big petrol saloon from Jag, very few actually bought one.

Gojira

617 posts

71 months

Thursday 31st January
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BenjiS said:
Even when they were available, they sold next to bugger all of them. So it was a financial decision to pull them as well.

Despite ‘everyone’ bleating they wanted a big petrol saloon from Jag, very few actually bought one.
Yep....

Whein I saw the proposed sales number in the "RR SVO pulled" thread, I had a quick look on Howmanyleft - about 900 V6 XEs around in total.

If they were still available, I'd still have ordered the grandad spec 300 horse 2-litre that I ordered a couple of weeks ago.

I absolutely wouldn't blame anyone for buying the V6, but it seems not enough people did.

Plus, isn't the V6 a Ford unit - Jag are pulling out of the engine deal with Ford, which isn't popular in Bridgend.

bad company

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Thursday 31st January
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Chamon_Lee said:
Totally agree OP. the XF and XE were "old" as soon as they were released and they are in no rush to facelift release new models. The XJ I still think looks gorgeous but come on its 10 years old now.

What is more annoying is they seem to have power trains available but I think they have struggled to alter them enough for the new emission standards as well as other manufacturers have.

They just don't seem to be a very adaptable company and ironically this was always the issue the had.
I also think they have spent a st load of time and resources on the epace thingy which again I personally feel already looks old. Doesn't look anywhere near fresh.
That seems to sum it up. I changed from Jaguar to BMW and thought I’d like to try Jaguar again.

The only car in the range I’m tempted by (yes I know I said saloon earlier in the thread) is the F Type. I really fancy one though it would be very expensive as my daily driver. The big put off for me was the extras. I did the online build and was astonished to find that I was at nearly £80,000 and they wanted to charge me £60 extra for vanity mirrors. yikes Come on, vanity mirrors are included in even the cheapest of cheap cars.

bad company

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Thursday 31st January
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8bit said:
bad company said:
Terribly sorry if this may have been mentioned before. If it did I missed it and certainly didn’t take part.

I assume you have no other comment.
You can't have looked very hard in here if you didn't find a thread covering this ground already. As regards your question, it depends what you mean by "high performance". If you mean a big engine then the biggest you'll get is the 3.0 V6 in petrol (XF only) or diesel (XJ only). If you mean something quick then the smaller engines do work well with the 8 speed auto transmission. Even the 2.0d in an XE with the 8sp auto box can make fairly rapid progress.
Actually I didn’t look at all other than a quick glance at the first 2 pages of the Jaguar thread and there was nothing there. I make no apologies for that.

I don’t visit the Jaguar forum very often. Thanks for the very warm welcome. clap


Edited by bad company on Thursday 31st January 18:50

fatboy b

8,322 posts

164 months

Thursday 31st January
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8bit said:
fatboy b said:
And so what? It’s currently a crap line up. Who cares if we keep debating it. Don’t like a thread, trot on my friend.
Sometimes seems like every third or fourth thread in here is just a group whinge about the current Jaguar line-up, from long-time owners who wish Jag still made the XJS and can't see why they won't sell in the modern automotive market. Just wish someone would change the record, my friend.
I don’t agree Jag should go back yo the XJS. But I do think they should try and match the halo vehicles the compo put out. They’ve failed miserably, and we’re left with a mundane range, both in terms of performance and looks.

fatboy b

8,322 posts

164 months

Thursday 31st January
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akadk said:
Isn’t 300PS high performance any more?

Still some nearly new 380 V6 XE’s out there also
No. I have 550PS, and it’s great. I had a 340PS BMW M3 16 years ago, so that make Jag a bit pi55 poor really.

Triple7

3,968 posts

185 months

Thursday 31st January
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If BMW can have the 40i range and Mercedes the 43, soon to be 53 range of V6’s, I am perplexed as to why Jaguar have forgotten the reason people like me, bought their cars in the first place.

I went to look at an FTR the other day at a dealership, I jumped in all the showroom cars and not,one of them felt special inside, except the ole school Jag XJ. Who is responsible for Jaguar losing their way?

2.0ltr, 4 cyl bland box anyone?

8bit

2,779 posts

103 months

Thursday 31st January
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bad company said:
Actually I didn’t look at all other than a quick glance at the first 2 pages of the Jaguar thread and there was nothing there. I make no apologies for that.

I don’t visit the Jaguar forum very often. Thanks for the very warm welcome. clap


Edited by bad company on Thursday 31st January 18:50
Well if you did then you'd maybe start to understand my point. There's an awful lot of Jaguar-bashing goes on in here and it gets tiresome. I will apologise if I jumped the gun a little but there wasn't much in the tone of your initial post to set it apart from that.

I own an XKR, my second in fact, but I'm no Jaguar fanboy, there's not much for me to like about the current range because I like large-engined GT cars. As someone else posted above when Jaguar did build high capacity, powerful saloon cars almost nobody bought them. Yes, the Germans offer some big V8 twin turbo engines etc. in most of their range but they have economies of scale on their side. Jaguar don't have that and have had to focus on building cars that people do want to buy in order; firstly to survive and secondly to re-establish themselves in today's automotive market.

In the spirit of offering something constructive to the thread, if you want a *really* powerful Jaguar saloon then you're looking at something used; XFR or XFR-S would be the medium size options or one of the V8 XJ variants if you want the full bifter as they say.

fatboy b said:
I don’t agree Jag should go back yo the XJS. But I do think they should try and match the halo vehicles the compo put out. They’ve failed miserably, and we’re left with a mundane range, both in terms of performance and looks.
I didn't say you did, and the XJS was just the first example of a relatively recent older Jag. As for Halo models, we had Project 7 F-type, Project 8 XE, F-type SVR, F-Pace SVR coming, for a relatively small volume marque with a comparatively narrow range I don't think that's too shameful?

The Germans have been doing this stuff for years. Jaguar rested on their laurels for a long time and found themselves wondering where their customers had gone. They were seen as a brand for old men for a long time and are trying hard to change that now by appealing to a younger market. A fairly brief browse through the General Gassing section will tell you that things like PCPs, lease deals, residuals, GFVs, MPGs etc. are more important to the younger motorist now than V8s, V12s etc. and that's where the vast, vast majority of the competitions' business comes from too.

bad company

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214 months

Friday 1st February
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8bit said:
bad company said:
Actually I didn’t look at all other than a quick glance at the first 2 pages of the Jaguar thread and there was nothing there. I make no apologies for that.

I don’t visit the Jaguar forum very often. Thanks for the very warm welcome. clap


Edited by bad company on Thursday 31st January 18:50
Well if you did then you'd maybe start to understand my point. There's an awful lot of Jaguar-bashing goes on in here and it gets tiresome. I will apologise if I jumped the gun a little but there wasn't much in the tone of your initial post to set it apart from that.

I own an XKR, my second in fact, but I'm no Jaguar fanboy, there's not much for me to like about the current range because I like large-engined GT cars. As someone else posted above when Jaguar did build high capacity, powerful saloon cars almost nobody bought them. Yes, the Germans offer some big V8 twin turbo engines etc. in most of their range but they have economies of scale on their side. Jaguar don't have that and have had to focus on building cars that people do want to buy in order; firstly to survive and secondly to re-establish themselves in today's automotive market.

In the spirit of offering something constructive to the thread, if you want a *really* powerful Jaguar saloon then you're looking at something used; XFR or XFR-S would be the medium size options or one of the V8 XJ variants if you want the full bifter as they say.
Well thanks for that. I’m very fond of Jaguars and I said have owned several (I forgot to add one of the very first XK8’s). It’s very sad that they just haven’t kept up with the German offerings.

I know I could buy used but that’s just not what I do. I like to spec my own new car and change at 3 years. The only Jaguar worth considering for me is the F Type but I’m a bit put off by the pricing and ‘extras’.