How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

[Digga]

Meanwhile, Germany's manufacturing PMI plunges to further into the negative territory at 47.6. Not sure how all of this plugs into the forecast of a weaker GBP.

[Rovinghawk]

Camoradi said:

tescorank said:

Oh no it couldn't get any worse Albert Steptoe to ask for forgiveness and be the white knight

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-heads-to-...

If Poundland did International Trade Negotiations.........

"Who are you?"

[alfie2244]

Rovinghawk said:

Camoradi said:

tescorank said:

Oh no it couldn't get any worse Albert Steptoe to ask for forgiveness and be the white knight

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-heads-to-...

If Poundland did International Trade Negotiations.........

"Who are you?"

[Helicopter123]

Won't be too long now until the Tories lose their Majority in the HoC leaving them vulnerable to any vote of confidence.

Those that support it in parliament are becoming isolated, while those on the left who would facilitate it are being cornered.

Brexit looks all but finished.

[amusingduck]

Helicopter123 said:

Won't be too long now until the Tories lose their Majority in the HoC leaving them vulnerable to any vote of confidence.

Those that support it in parliament are becoming isolated, while those on the left who would facilitate it are being cornered.

Brexit looks all but finished.

Wake me up when they vote for something else instead

[gooner1]

Helicopter123 said:

Won't be too long now until the Tories lose their Majority in the HoC leaving them vulnerable to any vote of confidence.

Those that support it in parliament are becoming isolated, while those on the left who would facilitate it are being cornered.

Brexit looks all but finished.

Meanwhile....tick....tock.....

[crankedup]

What does. Corbyn and his cronies mean when they say there is not a majority for a ‘no deal vote’? I hadn’t realised that this option was available for a vote in the HOC.

[amusingduck]

crankedup said:

What does. Corbyn and his cronies mean when they say there is not a majority for a ‘no deal vote’? I hadn’t realised that this option was available for a vote in the HOC.

It was available, and they voted in favour of it. The legislation that features "no deal by default" achieved royal ascent and is now law.

If they don't want no deal, they need to vote for something else instead. To date, there hasn't been a majority for anything else.

[Digga]

amusingduck said:

crankedup said:

What does. Corbyn and his cronies mean when they say there is not a majority for a ‘no deal vote’? I hadn’t realised that this option was available for a vote in the HOC.

It was available, and they voted in favour of it. The legislation that features "no deal by default" achieved royal ascent and is now law.

If they don't want no deal, they need to vote for something else instead. To date, there hasn't been a majority for anything else.

It's a very tactical piece of newspeak that, as Amusingduck says, means nothing.

It's pretty my Corbyn saying "Brexit? Not in our name." However it happens, they hope to appear to have had no hand in it. It's a cynical trick, which will win some favour, but only with the sort of people who'd vote for Corbynomics anyway.

[Robertj21a]

Helicopter123 said:

Won't be too long now until the Tories lose their Majority in the HoC leaving them vulnerable to any vote of confidence.

Those that support it in parliament are becoming isolated, while those on the left who would facilitate it are being cornered.

Brexit looks all but finished.

Bad post........

[simonbrooks]

A quick question.

Have the "In dependance" group shot themselves in the collective foot?

I mean, if they get enough members that the Conservatives can no longer govern and May calls a GE, parliament would be suspended until the GE and thus won't we be out of the EU before the GE can happen? In which case their whole purpose for being is then negated. Before someone simply says "Ah but they'll just extend the deadline" the government (May) has to do that not parliament don't they? In which case, they may not extend it and we end up leaving by default.

Or am I wide of the mark here?

[slow_poke]

Ah ha. Finally, there's some evidence of a UK Minister using his brains and growing a set of balls in EU/UK negotiations. i was wondering when innate British political nous would start showing up. This is clever, identifying a weakness in an opponent and applying pressure to gain wider strategic advantages:

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/f...

[FiF]

crankedup said:

What does. Corbyn and his cronies mean when they say there is not a majority for a ‘no deal vote’? I hadn’t realised that this option was available for a vote in the HOC.

I think even they don't know what they mean.

Jamie Driscoll - Labour's candidate to be the new North of Tyne Mayor - struggles to explain his position on #Brexit.

It is unclear whether he:
-Wants Brexit to happen or not.
-Wants a second referendum or not.

@itvtynetees https://t.co/43acaTou3l

Utterly hilarious.

[Amateurish]

amusingduck said:

It was available, and they voted in favour of it. The legislation that features "no deal by default" achieved royal ascent and is now law.

If they don't want no deal, they need to vote for something else instead. To date, there hasn't been a majority for anything else.

Exactly, the no deal option is now law. This has already been voted for. The European Union (Withdrawal) Act means that we will exit without a deal unless Parliament votes otherwise. You can't take no deal "off the table".

[Amateurish]

slow_poke said:

Ah ha. Finally, there's some evidence of a UK Minister using his brains and growing a set of balls in EU/UK negotiations. i was wondering when innate British political nous would start showing up. This is clever, identifying a weakness in an opponent and applying pressure to gain wider strategic advantages:

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/f...

Do you think imposing 70% tariffs on beef imports from the EU is a good plan?

[amusingduck]

Amateurish said:

slow_poke said:

Ah ha. Finally, there's some evidence of a UK Minister using his brains and growing a set of balls in EU/UK negotiations. i was wondering when innate British political nous would start showing up. This is clever, identifying a weakness in an opponent and applying pressure to gain wider strategic advantages:

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/f...

Do you think imposing 70% tariffs on beef imports from the EU is a good plan?

70%?

Wouldn't it just revert back to WTO, which seems to be about 13% + a couple hundred euros per 100kg.

[Mrr T]

slow_poke said:

Ah ha. Finally, there's some evidence of a UK Minister using his brains and growing a set of balls in EU/UK negotiations. i was wondering when innate British political nous would start showing up. This is clever, identifying a weakness in an opponent and applying pressure to gain wider strategic advantages:

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/f...

Since the buffoons plan for the Irish border is to have no border how exactly do you plan to collect those tariffs in Irish beef?

[loafer123]

amusingduck said:

70%?

Wouldn't it just revert back to WTO, which seems to be about 13% + a couple hundred euros per 100kg.

The point is that, in the absence of a FTA wth the EU, Irish farmers would be on the same tariff as Brazilian farmers, with that tariff being whatever we chose it to be.

If we did a FTA with Brazil before once with the EU, the Brazilian farmers might even be on better terms than Irish ones.

[JagLover]

simonbrooks said:

A quick question.

Have the "In dependance" group shot themselves in the collective foot?

I mean, if they get enough members that the Conservatives can no longer govern and May calls a GE, parliament would be suspended until the GE and thus won't we be out of the EU before the GE can happen? In which case their whole purpose for being is then negated. Before someone simply says "Ah but they'll just extend the deadline" the government (May) has to do that not parliament don't they? In which case, they may not extend it and we end up leaving by default.

Or am I wide of the mark here?

No I think you are spot on from what I've read.

But May doesn't want a "no deal" Brexit and she is desperate to cling on to power.

[Borghetto]

Amateurish said:

Do you think imposing 70% tariffs on beef imports from the EU is a good plan?

I'm no expert, but if it is part of delivering best value to the UK I'm for it, if it's just as punishment I'm not. All these types of decisions will have to be looked at in the wider context of how we choose our best interests.

Edited by Borghetto on Thursday 21st February 12:44