How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

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Vanden Saab

4,465 posts

24 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Toaster said:
Here is a trivia question, if we leave the EU without a deal does that mean we can’t buy a Euro lottery ticket.....,,tomorrow the winning ticket is 131 Million if we can’t still play Euro lottery we will all be losers wink
Switzerland are not in the EU but are in the euromillions and Camelot have confirmed it will continue...

jonnyb

2,462 posts

202 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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s2art said:
jonnyb said:
Murph7355 said:
jonnyb said:
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How is she going to do that exactly?
Errrr....by not picking up shovels and building watchtowers on the UK border.

What Eire and the EU do is then up to them.

But Eire have noted similar to May in the past.

So what is going to happen? Are Tusk, Juncker and Verhofstadt going to be picking up their shovels and popping some on the Irish side of the border at the dead of night?
Again you’re not reading the quote.

How is May going to stop NI relying on the Irish republic or the E.U. to not put up a hard boarder? How is going to take that decision out of their hands in a no deal scenario?
May wont need to do anything. If the EU and/or Eire try they will achieve the almost impossible and unify (on this issue only) both the nationalists and the unionists. Good luck with that., And good luck getting elected too next Eire elections.
Of course she needs to do something. She needs to stop the Irish putting up a hard boarder. Her words not mine, “the UK government will not allow it, I will not allow it”.

And if Ireland does but up a hard boarder do you seriously think the nationalists won’t blame the British for it? Do you seriously think they will suddenly turn around hundreds of years of hatred and unite with unionists in condemnation of the Irish government?

I really am aghast at this “it will be alright on the night” attitude by the no deal lobby. They are already staring to kill each other again over there, it won’t be too long until it’s over here, and especially not if boarders are starting to be put up again.

powerstroke

8,810 posts

110 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????

Helicopter123

7,058 posts

106 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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mx5nut said:
Murph7355 said:
scheming idiots in the HoC
I miss the days when Brexiters would pretend to care about parliamentary sovereignty.

Murph7355 said:
I'm of the opinion that the impact of "no deal" could not possibly be any worse than the doom that has been cast around.
Experts claim it will be bad. Social media memes say it'll be OK because we survived the blitz. Poster on a car forum believes the latter.


Murph7355 said:
I don't see the EU moving on the backstop as they smell blood would like to support Ireland and uphold the Good Friday Agreement
Fixed that for you smile
Good Post.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

138 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
I've given up trying to understand it all...........Still waiting for the Gib fun and games to restart as well.

jonnyb

2,462 posts

202 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.

wc98

9,303 posts

90 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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jonnyb said:
Of course she needs to do something. She needs to stop the Irish putting up a hard boarder. Her words not mine, “the UK government will not allow it, I will not allow it”.

And if Ireland does but up a hard boarder do you seriously think the nationalists won’t blame the British for it? Do you seriously think they will suddenly turn around hundreds of years of hatred and unite with unionists in condemnation of the Irish government?

I really am aghast at this “it will be alright on the night” attitude by the no deal lobby. They are already staring to kill each other again over there, it won’t be too long until it’s over here, and especially not if boarders are starting to be put up again.
if they attempted to put up hard border structure it might actually be a good thing. it would give a focal point for all the crazies to let off steam.they can't even repossess a house most of the time without getting a kicking and their st burnt, you are dreaming if you think anyone will successfully erect a border.

Piha

2,073 posts

42 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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If we don't have a (hard) border in NornIron, how will we stop the swarms of immigrants from flooding over the Eire/UK border in Ulster?
Hasn't the PM has assured the DUPpers that the border won't be moved between the Ulster and mainland UK?
I can't see how we will "take back control" if there isn't a border in Ireland.....

digimeistter

5,153 posts

159 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Jesus Christ! If you are unable to define border from boarder, how on earth are we supposed to take any notice of your prattling rofl

jonnyb

2,462 posts

202 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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wc98 said:
jonnyb said:
Of course she needs to do something. She needs to stop the Irish putting up a hard boarder. Her words not mine, “the UK government will not allow it, I will not allow it”.

And if Ireland does but up a hard boarder do you seriously think the nationalists won’t blame the British for it? Do you seriously think they will suddenly turn around hundreds of years of hatred and unite with unionists in condemnation of the Irish government?

I really am aghast at this “it will be alright on the night” attitude by the no deal lobby. They are already staring to kill each other again over there, it won’t be too long until it’s over here, and especially not if boarders are starting to be put up again.
if they attempted to put up hard border structure it might actually be a good thing. it would give a focal point for all the crazies to let off steam.they can't even repossess a house most of the time without getting a kicking and their st burnt, you are dreaming if you think anyone will successfully erect a border.
So the whole no deal plan is that it will get so violent over there that no one will be able to secure an international border?

Good plan.

powerstroke

8,810 posts

110 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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jonnyb said:
powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.
there is an Irish border policed and watched now , there are different tax ,vat fuel and other duties at each side and a freedom of movement agreement pre dating the EUSSR by many years , this issue is a non issue ... the EUSSR are just being s thats all... And our dim PM and the Quisling have picked up the ball and run into an own goal over it ...

Toaster

2,798 posts

143 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Vanden Saab said:
Switzerland are not in the EU but are in the euromillions and Camelot have confirmed it will continue...
😅 phew top answer thank you

toppstuff

13,697 posts

197 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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powerstroke said:
jonnyb said:
powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.
there is an Irish border policed and watched now , there are different tax ,vat fuel and other duties at each side and a freedom of movement agreement pre dating the EUSSR by many years , this issue is a non issue ... the EUSSR are just being s thats all... And our dim PM and the Quisling have picked up the ball and run into an own goal over it ...
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.

I can keep repeating this point until you understand it. Your previous reply shows you do not. Read it again and again until you do. Babbling on about quislings does not change the FACT there is no no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.

You do know I assume that there will not be a CU???


jonnyb

2,462 posts

202 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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powerstroke said:
jonnyb said:
powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.
there is an Irish border policed and watched now , there are different tax ,vat fuel and other duties at each side and a freedom of movement agreement pre dating the EUSSR by many years , this issue is a non issue ... the EUSSR are just being s thats all... And our dim PM and the Quisling have picked up the ball and run into an own goal over it ...
I’m not sure if you’re serious?
You do know that Vidkun Quisling died in 1945?

Elysium

4,267 posts

137 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Murph7355 said:
Final episode of "Inside Europe" on tonight. BBC2 at 2100.
Fascinating programme.

I found it rather difficult to explain to my teenage son why Europe could not simply work together to accommodate the Syrian migrants. In numbers they would have been a drop in the ocean amongst 450m EU citizens.


crankedup

22,346 posts

193 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Elysium said:
Murph7355 said:
Final episode of "Inside Europe" on tonight. BBC2 at 2100.
Fascinating programme.

I found it rather difficult to explain to my teenage son why Europe could not simply work together to accommodate the Syrian migrants. In numbers they would have been a drop in the ocean amongst 450m EU citizens.
Yes for me it showed that for all its pontificating and boasting when it comes down to brass tacks they still operate as individual Countries concerned for themselves above all else.

GroundEffect

11,501 posts

106 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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Piha said:
I can't see how we will "take back control" if there isn't a border in Ireland.....
Just what I was thinking hehe

Let's take back our borders, and get rid of the only land one!

jsf

15,121 posts

186 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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WeCumTitVillage said:
Anyone know why the drunken President of the EU promised Ireland there wouldn't be a hard border under any circumstances?
https://youtu.be/G6ljJhZZo5s


Vanden Saab

4,465 posts

24 months

Monday 11th February 2019
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toppstuff said:
powerstroke said:
jonnyb said:
powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.
there is an Irish border policed and watched now , there are different tax ,vat fuel and other duties at each side and a freedom of movement agreement pre dating the EUSSR by many years , this issue is a non issue ... the EUSSR are just being s thats all... And our dim PM and the Quisling have picked up the ball and run into an own goal over it ...
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.

I can keep repeating this point until you understand it. Your previous reply shows you do not. Read it again and again until you do. Babbling on about quislings does not change the FACT there is no no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.

You do know I assume that there will not be a CU???
Really? are you sure?

Murph7355

24,043 posts

206 months

Tuesday 12th February 2019
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GroundEffect said:
Piha said:
I can't see how we will "take back control" if there isn't a border in Ireland.....
Just what I was thinking hehe

Let's take back our borders, and get rid of the only land one!
You both, along with toppstuff, fail to understand what having "control" actually means.

It means it is up to you what you do. If that means stationing 100k troops on a border, you can. If you don't wish to, you don't have to.

Whether the EU tells the Irish what they must do remains to be seen. But all noise to date suggests they will not insist on harder infrastructure at the actual border.

If the Irish were to join Schengen then we'll have more issues than this nonsense is currently presenting. But thus far that's not happening.
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