How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 8)

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jonnyb

2,231 posts

190 months

Monday 11th February
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steve_k said:
jonnyb said:
steve_k said:
mx5nut said:
steve_k said:
jonnyb said:
The thing is that both the UK government and the Irish government are committed by international treaty to no hard boarder on the island of Ireland. How would a no deal cope with that. Or do we kiss good by to the Good Friday agreement too?
You need to ask the EU how they will deal with a no deal, the UK government and the Irish government have both said many times they will not be putting up a hard border.
It doesn't have to be a Trump style wall along the length of the border to be in breach of our commitments under the Good Friday Agreement.

And "we do not want to" is not the same as "we will not.
Her words

"Northern Ireland does not have to rely on the Irish Government or the European Union to prevent a return to borders of the past. The UK Government will not let that happen. I will not let that happen."
Theresa May
So how is she going to do it in the event of no deal?
By not put a border up, nobody would be able to force the UK in a no deal situation.
You’re not reading the quote.

She’s saying the UK government will not allow a situation where NI has to rely on the Irish government or the E.U. to not put up a hard boarder.

How is she going to do that exactly?

Murph7355

21,320 posts

194 months

Monday 11th February
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jonnyb said:
...The only option I see would be an Irish customs union with a customs boarder down the Irish Sea. ...
You are Michele Barnier AICMFP.

Sooooooo.

If one can go down the Irish Sea, why not one across the English Channel instead?

(Maybe we should put one down both and Ireland/NI can revel in being the next Luxembourg with joint benefits going to both the UK and EU. That would undoubtedly have the added benefit of pissing off Juncker).

Murph7355

21,320 posts

194 months

Monday 11th February
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jonnyb said:
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How is she going to do that exactly?
Errrr....by not picking up shovels and building watchtowers on the UK border.

What Eire and the EU do is then up to them.

But Eire have noted similar to May in the past.

So what is going to happen? Are Tusk, Juncker and Verhofstadt going to be picking up their shovels and popping some on the Irish side of the border at the dead of night?

steve_k

376 posts

143 months

Monday 11th February
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mx5nut said:
steve_k said:
Her words

"Northern Ireland does not have to rely on the Irish Government or the European Union to prevent a return to borders of the past. The UK Government will not let that happen. I will not let that happen."
Theresa May
Her words

"I’m not going to be calling a snap election. I’ve been very clear that I think we need that period of time, that stability, to be able to deal with the issues that the country is facing and have that election in 2020"
Theresa May
So by your diversion you admit you were wrong again, she did say "will not"

Murph7355

21,320 posts

194 months

Monday 11th February
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jonnyb

2,231 posts

190 months

Monday 11th February
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Murph7355 said:
jonnyb said:
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How is she going to do that exactly?
Errrr....by not picking up shovels and building watchtowers on the UK border.

What Eire and the EU do is then up to them.

But Eire have noted similar to May in the past.

So what is going to happen? Are Tusk, Juncker and Verhofstadt going to be picking up their shovels and popping some on the Irish side of the border at the dead of night?
Again you’re not reading the quote.

How is May going to stop NI relying on the Irish republic or the E.U. to not put up a hard boarder? How is going to take that decision out of their hands in a no deal scenario?

Toaster

2,370 posts

131 months

Monday 11th February
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Here is a trivia question, if we leave the EU without a deal does that mean we can’t buy a Euro lottery ticket.....,,tomorrow the winning ticket is 131 Million if we can’t still play Euro lottery we will all be losers wink

s2art

16,927 posts

191 months

Monday 11th February
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jonnyb said:
Murph7355 said:
jonnyb said:
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How is she going to do that exactly?
Errrr....by not picking up shovels and building watchtowers on the UK border.

What Eire and the EU do is then up to them.

But Eire have noted similar to May in the past.

So what is going to happen? Are Tusk, Juncker and Verhofstadt going to be picking up their shovels and popping some on the Irish side of the border at the dead of night?
Again you’re not reading the quote.

How is May going to stop NI relying on the Irish republic or the E.U. to not put up a hard boarder? How is going to take that decision out of their hands in a no deal scenario?
May wont need to do anything. If the EU and/or Eire try they will achieve the almost impossible and unify (on this issue only) both the nationalists and the unionists. Good luck with that., And good luck getting elected too next Eire elections.

Vanden Saab

1,615 posts

12 months

Monday 11th February
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Toaster said:
Here is a trivia question, if we leave the EU without a deal does that mean we can’t buy a Euro lottery ticket.....,,tomorrow the winning ticket is 131 Million if we can’t still play Euro lottery we will all be losers wink
Switzerland are not in the EU but are in the euromillions and Camelot have confirmed it will continue...

jonnyb

2,231 posts

190 months

Monday 11th February
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s2art said:
jonnyb said:
Murph7355 said:
jonnyb said:
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How is she going to do that exactly?
Errrr....by not picking up shovels and building watchtowers on the UK border.

What Eire and the EU do is then up to them.

But Eire have noted similar to May in the past.

So what is going to happen? Are Tusk, Juncker and Verhofstadt going to be picking up their shovels and popping some on the Irish side of the border at the dead of night?
Again you’re not reading the quote.

How is May going to stop NI relying on the Irish republic or the E.U. to not put up a hard boarder? How is going to take that decision out of their hands in a no deal scenario?
May wont need to do anything. If the EU and/or Eire try they will achieve the almost impossible and unify (on this issue only) both the nationalists and the unionists. Good luck with that., And good luck getting elected too next Eire elections.
Of course she needs to do something. She needs to stop the Irish putting up a hard boarder. Her words not mine, “the UK government will not allow it, I will not allow it”.

And if Ireland does but up a hard boarder do you seriously think the nationalists won’t blame the British for it? Do you seriously think they will suddenly turn around hundreds of years of hatred and unite with unionists in condemnation of the Irish government?

I really am aghast at this “it will be alright on the night” attitude by the no deal lobby. They are already staring to kill each other again over there, it won’t be too long until it’s over here, and especially not if boarders are starting to be put up again.

powerstroke

7,901 posts

98 months

Monday 11th February
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I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????

Helicopter123

5,090 posts

94 months

Monday 11th February
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mx5nut said:
Murph7355 said:
scheming idiots in the HoC
I miss the days when Brexiters would pretend to care about parliamentary sovereignty.

Murph7355 said:
I'm of the opinion that the impact of "no deal" could not possibly be any worse than the doom that has been cast around.
Experts claim it will be bad. Social media memes say it'll be OK because we survived the blitz. Poster on a car forum believes the latter.


Murph7355 said:
I don't see the EU moving on the backstop as they smell blood would like to support Ireland and uphold the Good Friday Agreement
Fixed that for you smile
Good Post.

alfie2244

9,032 posts

126 months

Monday 11th February
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powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
I've given up trying to understand it all...........Still waiting for the Gib fun and games to restart as well.

jonnyb

2,231 posts

190 months

Monday 11th February
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powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.

wc98

6,961 posts

78 months

Monday 11th February
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jonnyb said:
Of course she needs to do something. She needs to stop the Irish putting up a hard boarder. Her words not mine, “the UK government will not allow it, I will not allow it”.

And if Ireland does but up a hard boarder do you seriously think the nationalists won’t blame the British for it? Do you seriously think they will suddenly turn around hundreds of years of hatred and unite with unionists in condemnation of the Irish government?

I really am aghast at this “it will be alright on the night” attitude by the no deal lobby. They are already staring to kill each other again over there, it won’t be too long until it’s over here, and especially not if boarders are starting to be put up again.
if they attempted to put up hard border structure it might actually be a good thing. it would give a focal point for all the crazies to let off steam.they can't even repossess a house most of the time without getting a kicking and their st burnt, you are dreaming if you think anyone will successfully erect a border.

Piha

692 posts

30 months

Monday 11th February
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If we don't have a (hard) border in NornIron, how will we stop the swarms of immigrants from flooding over the Eire/UK border in Ulster?
Hasn't the PM has assured the DUPpers that the border won't be moved between the Ulster and mainland UK?
I can't see how we will "take back control" if there isn't a border in Ireland.....

digimeistter

3,799 posts

147 months

Monday 11th February
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Jesus Christ! If you are unable to define border from boarder, how on earth are we supposed to take any notice of your prattling rofl

jonnyb

2,231 posts

190 months

Monday 11th February
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wc98 said:
jonnyb said:
Of course she needs to do something. She needs to stop the Irish putting up a hard boarder. Her words not mine, “the UK government will not allow it, I will not allow it”.

And if Ireland does but up a hard boarder do you seriously think the nationalists won’t blame the British for it? Do you seriously think they will suddenly turn around hundreds of years of hatred and unite with unionists in condemnation of the Irish government?

I really am aghast at this “it will be alright on the night” attitude by the no deal lobby. They are already staring to kill each other again over there, it won’t be too long until it’s over here, and especially not if boarders are starting to be put up again.
if they attempted to put up hard border structure it might actually be a good thing. it would give a focal point for all the crazies to let off steam.they can't even repossess a house most of the time without getting a kicking and their st burnt, you are dreaming if you think anyone will successfully erect a border.
So the whole no deal plan is that it will get so violent over there that no one will be able to secure an international border?

Good plan.

powerstroke

7,901 posts

98 months

Monday 11th February
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jonnyb said:
powerstroke said:
I still don't get why the EU are going to build a hard border or are the UK/Eire gov lying and they will unroll the razor wire and get out the Alsatians ??? or have I got this wrong and it's going to be like the EU IE a emperor's new clothes border ??????
Anyone ????
Because there are no countries, anywhere in the world, that have a completely open border, with no border infrastructure, unless they are in a customs union.
there is an Irish border policed and watched now , there are different tax ,vat fuel and other duties at each side and a freedom of movement agreement pre dating the EUSSR by many years , this issue is a non issue ... the EUSSR are just being s thats all... And our dim PM and the Quisling have picked up the ball and run into an own goal over it ...

Toaster

2,370 posts

131 months

Monday 11th February
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Vanden Saab said:
Switzerland are not in the EU but are in the euromillions and Camelot have confirmed it will continue...
😅 phew top answer thank you