Student strike for climate change

[Randy Winkman]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Davos123 said:

Salmonofdoubt said:

The kids are being brainwashed to believe it's someone else's responsibility to fix things like climate change.

If they give up their phones, tablets, pcs or whatever else they use that will mean less electricity and natural resources are used. If they walk and cycle to places rather than get mummy or daddy to drive them that would reduce emissions. They could skip McDonald's and go vegan too.

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

I agree that people need to take personal responsibility and anyone who campaigns for Government action on climate change whilst (particularly) still eating animal products is a massive hypocrite but solving climate change requires changes in Government policy, investment and focus as well as personal responsibility.

It requires not government policy but global policy change which isn't going to happen. Billions of Chinese and Indians aren't going to say they are ok with a standard of living far below ours whilst we in the west continue to live such a life.

People who campaign for something to be done about climate change complain about people who say there is no point in the UK doing anything because of the likes of China. But then use the same excuse why they personally shouldn't be making massive change's and sacrifices. "Their is no point in me giving my car, holidays abroad, big house, meat and so on, if no one else is going to". It's just completed hypocrisy.

You seem to be one of the people I refer to higher up this page who seem to know an awful lot about what other people think. Who are these "people"? How do you know it's the same "people"? Have you got names and addresses?

[Terminator X]

Salmonofdoubt said:

The kids are being brainwashed to believe it's someone else's responsibility to fix things like climate change.

If they give up their phones, tablets, pcs or whatever else they use that will mean less electricity and natural resources are used. If they walk and cycle to places rather than get mummy or daddy to drive them that would reduce emissions. They could skip McDonald's and go vegan too.

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

Are you serious? It is Big Business that pumps out all the CO2 not kids buying phones or people driving cars. Do you really think that if the kids don't buy a mobile it is sorted? What level of CO2 do you think will "fix … climate change" btw?

TX.

[turbobloke]

Terminator X said:

Salmonofdoubt said:

The kids are being brainwashed to believe it's someone else's responsibility to fix things like climate change.

If they give up their phones, tablets, pcs or whatever else they use that will mean less electricity and natural resources are used. If they walk and cycle to places rather than get mummy or daddy to drive them that would reduce emissions. They could skip McDonald's and go vegan too.

Teaching kids that telling the government to fix things is wrong. If there's a problem you want solving you have to try and engage with the issue not ask someone else to sort it.

Are you serious? It is Big Business that pumps out all the CO2 not kids buying phones or people driving cars. Do you really think that if the kids don't buy a mobile it is sorted? What level of CO2 do you think will "fix … climate change" btw?

TX.

Not a question asked of me, but if I may reply anyway...

How about 4000 ppmv which is approx 10x current level?

In the past that's been 'enough' to see the planet enter an ice age.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Randy Winkman said:

You seem to be one of the people I refer to higher up this page who seem to know an awful lot about what other people think. Who are these "people"? How do you know it's the same "people"? Have you got names and addresses?

Please some me these people who live the necessary lifestyle needed to actually combat climate change. I suspect very little do so because they don't have a clue what it will actually mean.
I suspect many think if they buy an electric car stick a few solar panels on their roof and go vegan it will sort things out. It's like having gangrene of the leg and thinking putting a plaster on it, it will sort it out.

[turbobloke]

There are some fine examples from green 'slebs' that students can look up to...

Leonardo DiCaprio has used a private jet six times in six weeks.
Richard Branson might be available foe pep talks from his Dassault Falcon 50 EX private jet or Necker Belle yacht.
Al Gore's conspicuous consumption includes buying a $9million beachfront house right by the ocean in order to demonstrate sea level rise when it gets washed away.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

There are some fine examples from green 'slebs' that students can look up to...

Leonardo DiCaprio has used a private jet six times in six weeks.
Richard Branson might be available foe pep talks from his Dassault Falcon 50 EX private jet or Necker Belle yacht.
Al Gore's conspicuous consumption includes buying a $9million beachfront house right by the ocean in order to demonstrate sea level rise when it gets washed away.

I know. Wealthy people, eh? Who needs 'em.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Randy Winkman said:

I know. Wealthy people, eh? Who needs 'em.

No one's complaining about them being rich well done them. It's being hypocritical tits who feel they can preach to others how they should live when themselves are the worst culprits.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Tuesday 19th February 07:52

[Randy Winkman]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Randy Winkman said:

I know. Wealthy people, eh? Who needs 'em.

No one's complaining about them being rich well done then. It's being hypocritical tits who feel they can preach to others how they should live when themselves are the worst culprits.

But only rich people have private jets and multi-million dollar beachfront houses which were the subject of the earlier post.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Randy Winkman said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Randy Winkman said:

I know. Wealthy people, eh? Who needs 'em.

No one's complaining about them being rich well done then. It's being hypocritical tits who feel they can preach to others how they should live when themselves are the worst culprits.

But only rich people have private jets and multi-million dollar beachfront houses which were the subject of the earlier post.

I don't think you get the point, one decent trip in a private jet producers more CO2 than let's say a the average Indian will produce in an entire year. But the likes Leonardo DiCaprio go around preaching to others something most be done about climate change.

[Randy Winkman]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Randy Winkman said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Randy Winkman said:

I know. Wealthy people, eh? Who needs 'em.

No one's complaining about them being rich well done then. It's being hypocritical tits who feel they can preach to others how they should live when themselves are the worst culprits.

But only rich people have private jets and multi-million dollar beachfront houses which were the subject of the earlier post.

I don't think you get the point, one decent trip in a private jet producers more CO2 than let's say a the average Indian will produce in an entire year. But the likes Leonardo DiCaprio go around preaching to others something most be done about climate change.

Yes, that's my point too. Rich people do stuff like that and might be regarded as hypocrites. Regular folk, especially kids on demos tend not to do that.

[wc98]

Randy Winkman said:

Yes, that's my point too. Rich people do stuff like that and might be regarded as hypocrites. Regular folk, especially kids on demos tend not to do that.

given the amount of kids that will have a genuine interest in climate change will be tiny, i think people having a go at the kids climate strike are taking issue with those directing them, parents ,some teachers and the fruitloops that are extinction rebellion. extinction rebellion are the main drivers behind this https://rebellion.earth/events/ . i don't know about you but scaring young kids with stories of imminent doom regarding the planet they live on is not on.

for instance , take holly gillibrand,the kid striking outside fort william high school. her mother kate willis is the founding member of the local branch of extinction rebellion so it is no surprise to see her kid is terrified of the future given the nonsense her head will have been filled with growing up. her parents are your typical trustafarian lentil knitting hippy types with zero grasp of reality. anyone stating we can have zero emissions by 2025 is utterly deluded. i certainly don't want them having any influence on any aspect of my life. it's not a kids movement, it's a cynical ploy by adults that no one will take seriously due to their views to use their kids to get their "message" across.

extinction rebellion appear to be a branch of this lot https://risingup.org.uk/about-us . again would you want your kids being influenced by them ?
"Rising Up! was formed by activists who have also been part of Compassionate Revolution, Earth First! Occupy, Plan Stupid, Radical Think Tank and Reclaim the Power. Rising Up! is linked to Compassionate Revolution which was birthed in the Occupy movement. We seek a better more beautiful world we recognise is both necessary and possible. It is an idea, a term that can be adopted. We share a vision for change which we hope is inclusive. We offer a space that can be used for actions needing collective intent."

[turbobloke]

It's not just English and Australian schools (as per previous posts) where climate indoctrination takes place, brainwashing of school children is rife elsewhere.

Germany 'Klimaschulen'
https://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/2012/12/30/in-ha...
-children made to devise and implement their own 'climate protection plan'
-criteria for getting the climate school seal of approval include
“drawing up a climate protection plan”
“deciding on concrete pedagogical targets and CO2 saving goals”
“targets must be short, mid and long term”
“backed up by measures, deadlines and responsibilities“

USA teaching of climate alarmism
"Teaching the green agenda of climate alarmism in schools is child abuse."
Lenin in 1923 "in 1923: “we must teach our children to hate their parents if they are not communists"
Al Gore tells USA kids to trust their teachers not their parents on climate matters.
Education Week 2011 report - students in Maryland have to demonstrate that they have learned the mandatory alarmist climate curriculum in order to graduate

UK-wide
Teacher training materials: "we can turn kids into a whole bundle of little climate activists"
https://climatelessons.blogspot.com/2011/02/classr...

General
"If we are going to make the right decisions about local, national and global environmental and resource issues, it is imperative we have accurate facts and a rudimentary understanding of the way the earth works. That is not true now and will be worse if uninformed ideologues continue to have unfettered access without balance. Extending the politics of fear to young children is truly reprehensible no matter the cause."
https://fcpp.org/2007/04/30/is-classroom-global-wa...

[turbobloke]

wc98 said:

i don't know about you but scaring young kids with stories of imminent doom regarding the planet they live on is not on.

Indeed, though young climate automatons don't need to be scared to be badly informed and badly educated. Brainwashing can wash off after school but the propaganda result before then is an apparent army of kids with their own concerns busying themselves pestering parents and politicians when in reality these concerns and tactics have been carefuily programmed in at school.

Times change but indoctrination of young people merely changes direction.

[AshVX220]

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[turbobloke]

Overthrow of the political establishment? PH?

Anyway, Here's an article discussing lessons learned from the climate strike.

Clearly it's not referring to lessons learned by students as they skipped lessons.

https://worthfightingfor.live/2019/02/16/lessons-f...

1 political activists have found (rediscovered) a new constituency, schoolchildren
2 emotion has totally replaced rational argument in this arena
3 adult politics is being associated with lies and disinformation, a contrast with young ‘planet lovers’...
4 ...creating inter-generational mistrust alongside mistrust of the non-brainwashed / non-brainwashables

So an item 5 also from the link would be
5. we should remember that ‘climate change’ is the one issue that ‘the establishment’ falls back on when all else appears to be lost.

That last point chimes with an essay dating from the Miliband era written by the new head honcho of the GWPF, Labour Luvvie Lord Donoughue.

Snip from the Lord Donoughue piece said:

I notice that my Labour colleagues who are troubled by the cost of the war on climate change, and especially when I point out that its costs fall heavily on the poorer classes, while its financial benefits go to rich landowners and individuals on the Climate Change Committee, still won't face those facts because they want to cling on to the new climate faith because they want to believe it is in the common good. They are not bad or stupid people. Many are better and cleverer than me. But they have a need for a faith which they believe is for the global good. They don't want a moral vacuum. And the current leaders of the social democratic parties in Britain and Europe are not offering them much else. For Ed Miliband, who is not a bad or stupid man, but coming from a Marxist heritage, when asked for more vision, he grasps climate change like a drowning man clasping a lifebelt.

No politician in any Party is immune from eco lie infection. Youngsters aren't a lost cause but they haven't had time to build up natural immunity, and here we are.

[Davos123]

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[turbobloke]

Dr Merkel says: check under the bed - is it red (hot)?

Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday that Europe faces difficulties in defending itself against public campaigns promoted with foreign intervention in a veiled criticism targeted at Russia.
Daily Sabah Europe. 16 February 2019

“that all children suddenly think of climate change without foreign interference is difficult to imagine"
Angela Merkel, Munich Security Conference, 16 February 2019

The Ukrainian Foreign Minister concurs.
Ukraine is sure that Russia actively supports the recent protests in EU countries against global warming, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin told a group of Brussels journalists on Monday.
EurActiv, 18 February 2019

Blimey.

[Randy Winkman]

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[Davos123]

Randy Winkman said:

It sounds to me like you are tying yourself in knots to show that you know more about what other people think than they do. In general terms, being vegan is better for the environment than eating animal products. Do you really not agree with that?

I am a vegan and yes I do think being vegan is better for the environment than not. It's just that veganism is an animal rights movement and not eating animal products to help stop climate change isn't veganism.

For reference, this is the Vegan Society's definition of veganism, if you don't fit it then you're not vegan.

""A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

[Tankrizzo]

Davos123 said:

I am a vegan and yes I do think being vegan is better for the environment than not. It's just that veganism is an animal rights movement and not eating animal products to help stop climate change isn't veganism.

For reference, this is the Vegan Society's definition of veganism, if you don't fit it then you're not vegan.

""A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

That is an interesting statement - does it leave room for people being "vegan" yet supporting ethical treatment of animals as a food source? Or does treating any animal as food count as exploitation?

Genunely interested, it's an intriguing philosophical mission statement.