Cannabis safety report
Discussion
Ahbefive said:
I don't know if the facts are true which is why I was asking but I don't see anything that seems "bigoted" in that post.
To me he seemed to be pointing out that plenty of things are advocated by the Government whether they are good for you or not and Cannabis is unlikely to be any different in the near future.
I didn't know the government promoted gender reassignment surgery to children.To me he seemed to be pointing out that plenty of things are advocated by the Government whether they are good for you or not and Cannabis is unlikely to be any different in the near future.
vonuber said:
I didn't know the government promoted gender reassignment surgery to children.
Perhaps advocated & promoted are the wrong words but it doesn't seem to be discouraged much if at all when the risks are that high. Cannabis on the other hand is totally illegal even though the risks are far lower.OK sticking my ore in here.
I have a dilemma, on one hand I say legalize it, if your an adult you have the right to do what you wish, but then there is the impact on others.
I am kind of curious to know has anyone got stats from places that have legalized cannabis regarding accident are? I note from the UK an increasing number of accidents are caused by people who are high on it. If you legalize it, you will increase access to it and logic says more people will indulge more often.
Secondly legalizing it does not stop criminal gangs or illegal sale.
Also I find it kind of odd that we are living on a world were we are demonizing smokers because of dubious science of passive smoking, we are trying to control peoples diets, bringing in sugar taxes and I was listening to a debate a few weeks ago were it was proposed that restaurants could only serve food with a caloric limit . There are also call for closure of fast food places.
Once you legalize cannabis what next, cocaine, heroin,..
I have a dilemma, on one hand I say legalize it, if your an adult you have the right to do what you wish, but then there is the impact on others.
I am kind of curious to know has anyone got stats from places that have legalized cannabis regarding accident are? I note from the UK an increasing number of accidents are caused by people who are high on it. If you legalize it, you will increase access to it and logic says more people will indulge more often.
Secondly legalizing it does not stop criminal gangs or illegal sale.
Also I find it kind of odd that we are living on a world were we are demonizing smokers because of dubious science of passive smoking, we are trying to control peoples diets, bringing in sugar taxes and I was listening to a debate a few weeks ago were it was proposed that restaurants could only serve food with a caloric limit . There are also call for closure of fast food places.
Once you legalize cannabis what next, cocaine, heroin,..
Ahbefive said:
Is anything he said incorrect and non-factual?
This bit:"Almost 50% of those who go through with surgery or procedures to change their gender end up trying to commit suicide.
Yet it doesn’t stop the progressives that have infiltrated our education system from encouraging young children to go through with it. "
Is total horses
t.TTwiggy said:
Macski said:
Secondly legalizing it does not stop criminal gangs or illegal sale.
Do you buy your booze from a street dealer? Have a read up -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/14/lega...
Macski said:
Secondly legalizing it does not stop criminal gangs or illegal sale.
Once you legalize cannabis what next, cocaine, heroin,..
Controlled drugs are an easy way to make money. There is little policing of it. Even back in the 90s, forces were disbanding drugs squads. Why this was is open to argument, but the fact that drugs squads increased the returns for drugs crime was certainly a factor, as was the cost. There's no way county forces could support such teams nowadays.Once you legalize cannabis what next, cocaine, heroin,..
The question should be whether making use, possession and supplying illegal is the way to go. If there were commercial outlets then there would be little need to go illegal. Fair enough, some people would still supply but these would be, almost certainly, at a low level. The offences then would be avoiding tax, that sort of thing. You could grow your own of course, but then you can make your own booze much cheaper than it is available in an off-licence, but there's a low percentage who opt for that.
You mention cocaine and heroin. These used to be legal. There was little problem with them. While my knee-jerk response is to say they should continue to be banned, there are strong arguments for legalising them. Very strong arguments.
Before the much-maligned, and for good reasons, '71 Drugs Act, addicts used to be able to get them of prescription. Despite what was said in justification for implementing the Act, this was not a problem and did not encourage others to take up the drug. It is too late to return to those days now I think, know really, but the way to control the really dangerous stuff is to make certain class As available. Not necessarily over the counter, but maintaining control.
One of the great problems in coming to a conclusion in the matter of legalising drugs is that dependable evidence was difficult to come by. Now cannabis is legal in many places, it is clear that it is not as dangerous as painted. It is also a very useful pharmaceutical drug and it is to the legislators' shame that investigations as to its efficacy were banned for so long. We've not done ourselves any favours over the hysterical response to drugs.
xjay1337 said:
Stuff like that goes on with unregulated controlled drugs. It is cut, cut, and cut again and all sorts of rubbish is put into it. I've been to two deaths that were the result of adulterated drugs. I've been to two others when there was 'pure' drugs circulating and people were ODing because they thought it was the 'normal' strength.
With regulated outets, which could be done with drugs, although not alcohol of course, such deaths and medical problems caused but cutting could be nearly eliminated. There was a big batch in the Midlands are that had been cut with Vim a couple of decades ago. That cause the people who used it about as much pain as you might think.
CoolHands said:
Ratski83 said:
.Yet it doesn’t stop the progressives that have infiltrated our education system from encouraging young children to go through with it.
Eh? I work in a school. I’ve never seen anything that bares any resemblance whatsoever to the above fruitloops Edited by Ratski83 on Wednesday 20th February 07:48
Somewhere around 50 children a week were being referred to the gender identity clinic at the Tavistock back in 2017: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
The age elements of graphs like this tend to give a little pause for thought, too:
I’m no expert on cannabis (I’ve only had the odd joint, it doesn’t really do anything for me, I’m more of a beer man) isn’t the main issue with psychosis the Super Skunk end of the market?
Much like most people only drink your regular 4% lagers, there’s always the dedicated pisshead who’ll hit the Special Brew and Tennant’s Super.
Same thing with weed isn’t it?
Much like most people only drink your regular 4% lagers, there’s always the dedicated pisshead who’ll hit the Special Brew and Tennant’s Super.
Same thing with weed isn’t it?
designforlife said:
TTwiggy said:
Macski said:
Secondly legalizing it does not stop criminal gangs or illegal sale.
Do you buy your booze from a street dealer? Have a read up -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/14/lega...
There may be a small black market like we have for fags, but nothing majorly disruptive.
Do criminals previously engaged in smuggling cannabis give up and go and work 9 to 5? I am guessing if the market for cannabis disappears these people will move onto something else? I also guess many will be involved in smuggling other drugs.
It is thought that 10% of cigarettes are smuggled into the UK .
Edited by Macski on Thursday 21st February 01:56
Edited by Macski on Thursday 21st February 02:02
PurpleTurtle said:
I’m no expert on cannabis (I’ve only had the odd joint, it doesn’t really do anything for me, I’m more of a beer man) isn’t the main issue with psychosis the Super Skunk end of the market?
I thought it was that cannabis doesn't cause mental health problems, but it can trigger ones that are already beneath the surface.amusingduck said:
PurpleTurtle said:
I’m no expert on cannabis (I’ve only had the odd joint, it doesn’t really do anything for me, I’m more of a beer man) isn’t the main issue with psychosis the Super Skunk end of the market?
I thought it was that cannabis doesn't cause mental health problems, but it can trigger ones that are already beneath the surface.In the UK a lot of the weed is stupidly strong these days, and you pretty much take what you can get and just have to make do.
In California you can go to a dispensary, and choose your strain based on strength/type of high/cost etc.... when I spend time there with the family you can quite easily smoke and go about the day to day, as you are choosing what you are smoking so it's altogether a far more controlled scenario....a bit like choosing to have a pint of beer rather than 6 shots with a pub lunch.
Cannabis absolutely doesn't cause mental health problems. if they surface after smoking, they were already there....cannabis can exacerbate some mental issues for sure (for me it actually really really helps my anxiety problems I've had since i was a kid).... but then if you had serious liver problems, then drinking would be a stupid idea too.
designforlife said:
strength is a big part of the issue with illegal weed.
In the UK a lot of the weed is stupidly strong these days, and you pretty much take what you can get and just have to make do.
i remember my first trip to Amsterdam years ago. Comparing the strains I could buy in a shop there compared to what I had access to here, there was a very large difference in strength which i found quite surprising In the UK a lot of the weed is stupidly strong these days, and you pretty much take what you can get and just have to make do.
Macski said:
I am kind of curious to know has anyone got stats from places that have legalized cannabis regarding accident are? I note from the UK an increasing number of accidents are caused by people who are high on it. If you legalize it, you will increase access to it and logic says more people will indulge more often.
Experience from prohibition America shows the opposite.Agree with the comments on strength. At least that's partly correct. The other issue is that skunk as people seem to like calling it, is the absence of CBD. This is the chemical which has a calming effect, but this is absent in a lot of the strong stuff and THC without the CBD can cause things like anxiety to be worse and personally I have never liked the buzz from it, too full on and not very pleasant.
Strength, yes, UK stuff can be just as strong as in Amsterdam. I use it daily but literally have enough grinded dust to cover the tip of my finger and that will do me for the rest of the night. If I have too much I don't enjoy it. Half an oz lasts me and the Mrs up to 2 months depending on strength (also we vape which is much more efficient).
If you have a massive dose of this stuff it's going to be one rough ride.
But then it's not much different to downing large shots of vodka instead of having a mild strength lager.
Strength, yes, UK stuff can be just as strong as in Amsterdam. I use it daily but literally have enough grinded dust to cover the tip of my finger and that will do me for the rest of the night. If I have too much I don't enjoy it. Half an oz lasts me and the Mrs up to 2 months depending on strength (also we vape which is much more efficient).
If you have a massive dose of this stuff it's going to be one rough ride.
But then it's not much different to downing large shots of vodka instead of having a mild strength lager.
Edited by TameRacingDriver on Thursday 21st February 14:09
I certianly wouldn't advocate taking a massive hit when dabbing oil for the first time like i did in LA lol.... threw up 4 times, ate some cereal, then slept for 5 hours...was hungover from that for a couple of days!
It was way stronger than I expected, but a good learning experience...moderation is the key, much like everything else really.
It was way stronger than I expected, but a good learning experience...moderation is the key, much like everything else really.
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