Cannabis safety report
Discussion
V6 Pushfit said:
designforlife said:
Cannabis absolutely doesn't cause mental health problems. if they surface after smoking, they were already there....cannabis can exacerbate some mental issues for sure (for me it actually really really helps my anxiety problems I've had since i was a kid)....
Utter b
ks, we all have (every person on the planet has) mental health issues. Its just a case of degree. Cannabis can turn a dormant MH issue into a life changing one.
I don't think there is enough actual science, from impartial parties, to debate that properly.
I don't think everyone has mental health issues, however.
V6 Pushfit said:
Portugal was your great example of how society could work.
I just enlightened viewers of the facts.
Incorrect, I said people who argue against decrimilisation need to explain why something that has worked well in Portugal couldn't work well in other countries; which you haven't done. Reduced deaths, reduced transmission of HIV, no massive uptake of drug use... I just enlightened viewers of the facts.
You also need to explain why it is working well in the States and Canada.
what are you so afraid of?
You haven't enlightened anyone, you have done an excellent job of displaying your massive personal prejudice on this topic when ever it comes up.
Macski said:
Yes they are legal and a problem.so why is it not working especially for alcohol? As I understand it it is not the decriminalization of drugs, ' ' - that has not actually happened - the decrease is due to treatment of drug addicts, Although I do not know enough about the Portuguese system to argue, correct me if I am wrong.
I know when I go to Portugal I have been harassed by drug dealers trying to make a sale. The only thing I hate about Portugal.
That argument will never get off the ground because we know precisely how effective prohibition was with alcohol and we see the same with drugs. Drugs are everywhere, it is not like Britain currently has 0 drug users or drug related problems, but currently all that money is funding organised crime.I know when I go to Portugal I have been harassed by drug dealers trying to make a sale. The only thing I hate about Portugal.
I don't think anyone arguing for legalisation is saying that it is the answer to all life's problems, of course there will be problems, but it will do a lot of good too - and raise a huge mountain of cash for our Govt to put resources into dealing with those problems.
In more civilised places you can shop online. FWIW the place I have been harassed by dealers the most is probably Berlin.
gregs656 said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Portugal was your great example of how society could work.
I just enlightened viewers of the facts.
Incorrect, I said people who argue against decrimilisation need to explain why something that has worked well in Portugal couldn't work well in other countries; which you haven't done. Reduced deaths, reduced transmission of HIV, no massive uptake of drug use... I just enlightened viewers of the facts.
You also need to explain why it is working well in the States and Canada.
what are you so afraid of?
You haven't enlightened anyone, you have done an excellent job of displaying your massive personal prejudice on this topic when ever it comes up.
Macski said:
Yes they are legal and a problem.so why is it not working especially for alcohol? As I understand it it is not the decriminalization of drugs, ' ' - that has not actually happened - the decrease is due to treatment of drug addicts, Although I do not know enough about the Portuguese system to argue, correct me if I am wrong.
I know when I go to Portugal I have been harassed by drug dealers trying to make a sale. The only thing I hate about Portugal.
That argument will never get off the ground because we know precisely how effective prohibition was with alcohol and we see the same with drugs. Drugs are everywhere, it is not like Britain currently has 0 drug users or drug related problems, but currently all that money is funding organised crime.I know when I go to Portugal I have been harassed by drug dealers trying to make a sale. The only thing I hate about Portugal.
I don't think anyone arguing for legalisation is saying that it is the answer to all life's problems, of course there will be problems, but it will do a lot of good too - and raise a huge mountain of cash for our Govt to put resources into dealing with those problems.
In more civilised places you can shop online. FWIW the place I have been harassed by dealers the most is probably Berlin.
Yes, I get the argument and part of me agrees but one can use this argument against anything, speeding, lots of people speed so why have speed limits, counterfeit goods they are everywhere so you might as well legalize them, smuggling in general goes on a lot so give up. If we legalize cannabis what next, cocaine is wildly used and available?
I said this earlier but this push to legalize drugs especially cannabis is quite odd to me as everything else is going opposite way.
There maybe a short term tax utopia but what happens if accidents go up, health suffers arise and so on.
I worry legalizing cannabis and even more so other drugs will solve some problems and open up a host of other problems..
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Very funny. Is that what they are doing currently? Millions of people (around 4million people) in the UK smoke Weed anyway, it being legal would barely change that, it would just release Police time.
So you have no source and are just making yourself look silly as usual.... as you were..Very little police time is engaged in drugs investigation.
In my old force there used to be a drugs squad. A very effective drugs squad as, according to the stats, we had one of the biggest drugs problem outside of metropolitan areas. Once the drugs squad was disbanded, the crimes decreased as no one was catching anyone and the government was chuffed.
If police stumble across drugs, then there's time to waste. Otherwise actual investigation of usage and moderate dealing is all but ignored compared to just a few years ago.
The fall out from drugs being controlled is another matter of course.
In my old force there used to be a drugs squad. A very effective drugs squad as, according to the stats, we had one of the biggest drugs problem outside of metropolitan areas. Once the drugs squad was disbanded, the crimes decreased as no one was catching anyone and the government was chuffed.
If police stumble across drugs, then there's time to waste. Otherwise actual investigation of usage and moderate dealing is all but ignored compared to just a few years ago.
The fall out from drugs being controlled is another matter of course.
Ahbefive said:
I'm not googling your made up bullst. I googled my own facts that there were 4million weed smokers in the UK. You do your own fact finding and find your own statistics. How many of those 4million needed rushing the the "loony bin"?
If you can’t be arsed to google it yourself then don’t query it then!t. I googled my own facts that there were 4million weed smokers in the UK. You do your own fact finding and find your own statistics. How many of those 4million needed rushing the the "loony bin"?Edited by Ahbefive on Saturday 23 February 08:43
If you did then you would see it’s fact. 40% of police time spent in MH issues.
Then put this into the mix, and to make it easy you only have to read the first 10 words:
https://www.rethink.org/diagnosis-treatment/condit...
V6 Pushfit said:
If you can’t be arsed to google it yourself then don’t query it then!
If you did then you would see it’s fact. 40% of police time spent in MH issues.
Then put this into the mix, and to make it easy you only have to read the first 10 words:
https://www.rethink.org/diagnosis-treatment/condit...
So you have no source of your baseless opinions? Then you post a random link that drugs (as drink) "can" have an affect on mental health.If you did then you would see it’s fact. 40% of police time spent in MH issues.
Then put this into the mix, and to make it easy you only have to read the first 10 words:
https://www.rethink.org/diagnosis-treatment/condit...
Comedy gold.
Macski said:
We don't really know what happened to alcohol consumption during prohibition, we know alcohol consumption levels have increased since the 40s
Yes, I get the argument and part of me agrees but one can use this argument against anything, speeding, lots of people speed so why have speed limits, counterfeit goods they are everywhere so you might as well legalize them, smuggling in general goes on a lot so give up. If we legalize cannabis what next, cocaine is wildly used and available?
I said this earlier but this push to legalize drugs especially cannabis is quite odd to me as everything else is going opposite way.
There maybe a short term tax utopia but what happens if accidents go up, health suffers arise and so on.
I worry legalizing cannabis and even more so other drugs will solve some problems and open up a host of other problems..
I'm not sure you understand the argument as you are misrepresenting it quite badly. One of the key elements of it is that it would make the nation healthier, where as you are labouring under the impression it would make it unhealthier. You can see how this has been effective in Portugal.Yes, I get the argument and part of me agrees but one can use this argument against anything, speeding, lots of people speed so why have speed limits, counterfeit goods they are everywhere so you might as well legalize them, smuggling in general goes on a lot so give up. If we legalize cannabis what next, cocaine is wildly used and available?
I said this earlier but this push to legalize drugs especially cannabis is quite odd to me as everything else is going opposite way.
There maybe a short term tax utopia but what happens if accidents go up, health suffers arise and so on.
I worry legalizing cannabis and even more so other drugs will solve some problems and open up a host of other problems..
Your second misrepresentation is your analogies -
Take speeding - the Govt recognised that everyone does it anyway and has worked out ways to raise money from it.
Smuggling and counterfeit goods - there is no benefit to us legalising these things - it would mean we had an open border for goods. Not analogous at all. This would be massively giving up control of something and massively losing out on tax revenue, the legalisation argument is about gaining control and raising revenue.
What we should be aiming for is evidence driven legislation.
I started my post here saying 'explain Portugal' - so far no one has. I am not surprised.
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