Cannabis safety report
Discussion
hairykrishna said:
Attempting to restrict the supply of illegal drugs just doesn't work all that well. Now that we have crypto currencies and the tor network I'd argue that it's impossible to meaningfully restrict them. Anyone who can afford drugs can buy literally anything they want from the the comfort of their own home. You don't need any 'connections' or any knowledge at all beyond what you can read in an idiots guide on the internet.
The Royal Mail are good for something at least 
hairykrishna said:
Generally speaking the negative health effects of illegal drugs aren't actually that severe. Many of the negative health effects are due to poor lifestyles associated with being addicts.Most addicts who die of an overdose die because they're inadvertently taking a stronger dose than they planned to. Both of these problems are addressed by legalisation, regulated control and treatment.
OK if you think pumping your body full of chemicals especially over a longer term does not have a negative health effect then fine.How would legalizing drugs address this, only the ones in treatment would have some monitoring would they not?
There are lots of deaths from alcohol, yet that is legal?
hairykrishna said:
Attempting to restrict the supply of illegal drugs just doesn't work all that well. Now that we have crypto currencies and the tor network I'd argue that it's impossible to meaningfully restrict them. Anyone who can afford drugs can buy literally anything they want from the the comfort of their own home. You don't need any 'connections' or any knowledge at all beyond what you can read in an idiots guide on the internet. [ /quote]
But that is true of many other things too, are we to just give up?
hairykrishna said:
I used to argue legalisation from a moral standpoint as it's my opinion that anyone should be free to do whatever they like with their own bodies. .
hairykrishna said:
Now I just argue from a practical standpoint. What we're doing at the moment doesn't work [ /quote]
OK, I ask again what about other laws that are widely floated, do we give up on them too?
gregs656 said:
Why don't you look at.... Portugal!
I don't think it would stop crime anyway, but it would reduce it - if you do it properly you make a huge section of criminal activity related to drugs a waste of time - from making them, selling them, shipping them, consuming them. Drugs fund organised crime and taking away and income cannot be a bad thing in that regard.
We have looked at Portugal, so Portugal have decriminalized drugs as a result there is no drug crime. OK challenge why does someone not post an address of a business where when I next go to Portugal I can buy ten days of legal cannabis, I don't think it would stop crime anyway, but it would reduce it - if you do it properly you make a huge section of criminal activity related to drugs a waste of time - from making them, selling them, shipping them, consuming them. Drugs fund organised crime and taking away and income cannot be a bad thing in that regard.
Now lets summarize. We should legalize cannabis, all cannabis or just the weak stuff or all drugs? This will free up the police and raise trillions in taxes, but it needs to be sold cheaply or even given away, so how are we going to raise the taxes to pay for the treatment centers, time lost and so on but it is not going to have an adverse effects on peoples health.
Crime will be eliminated because addicts won't have to go out stealing to feed their habits. I spent some time researching this today, it costs an average of £25 per day to feed a heroin addiction in London, not a huge amount. Criminals won't move into other areas
Cheap and easily available legal drugs will not lead to more drug taking and greater consumption
Have I got it right?
Edited by Macski on Wednesday 27th February 01:22
V6 Pushfit said:
Cannabis safety - also see links in article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47215806
At least there’s some sense out there!
Are you talking from experience then? You attribute your depression, past or present, to your smoking habit?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47215806
At least there’s some sense out there!
Username888 said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Cannabis safety - also see links in article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47215806
At least there’s some sense out there!
Are you talking from experience then? You attribute your depression, past or present, to your smoking habit?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47215806
At least there’s some sense out there!
"No. The researchers were unable to prove cannabis use was definitively causing depression."
Posting a link that within says none of it is provable, as if it was some kind of fact based argument. Very funny. 
Macski said:
We have looked at Portugal, so Portugal have decriminalized drugs as a result there is no drug crime. OK challenge why does someone not post an address of a business where when I next go to Portugal I can buy ten days of legal cannabis,
Now lets summarize. We should legalize cannabis, all cannabis or just the weak stuff or all drugs? This will free up the police and raise trillions in taxes, but it needs to be sold cheaply or even given away, so how are we going to raise the taxes to pay for the treatment centers, time lost and so on but it is not going to have an adverse effects on peoples health.
Crime will be eliminated because addicts won't have to go out stealing to feed their habits. I spent some time researching this today, it costs an average of £25 per day to feed a heroin addiction in London, not a huge amount. Criminals won't move into other areas
Cheap and easily available legal drugs will not lead to more drug taking and greater consumption
Have I got it right?
Why does it need to be sold cheaply or given away? I have not asserted that. Where I live that is not how it works, nor is that the case in the US.Now lets summarize. We should legalize cannabis, all cannabis or just the weak stuff or all drugs? This will free up the police and raise trillions in taxes, but it needs to be sold cheaply or even given away, so how are we going to raise the taxes to pay for the treatment centers, time lost and so on but it is not going to have an adverse effects on peoples health.
Crime will be eliminated because addicts won't have to go out stealing to feed their habits. I spent some time researching this today, it costs an average of £25 per day to feed a heroin addiction in London, not a huge amount. Criminals won't move into other areas
Cheap and easily available legal drugs will not lead to more drug taking and greater consumption
Have I got it right?
Edited by Macski on Wednesday 27th February 01:22
Legalising drugs doesn't necessarily lead to greater consumption or more users.
The problem is you are arguing as if this is a hypothetical situation, but there is evidence that what you fear hasn't come to pass, and there is evidence that what I am suggesting (improved health, reduced crime, lots of money for govts) has happened.
In essence, you are wasting your time and I am not sure why.
gregs656 said:
Why does it need to be sold cheaply or given away? I have not asserted that. Where I live that is not how it works, nor is that the case in the US.
that what was suggested in the replies! If you legalize something and then charge high prices for it your just inviting criminl gangs to come in and make money, take counterfeit goods as an example.
gregs656 said:
Legalising drugs doesn't necessarily lead to greater consumption or more users.
Expand pleasegregs656 said:
The problem is you are arguing as if this is a hypothetical situation, but there is evidence that what you fear hasn't come to pass, and there is evidence that what I am suggesting (improved health, reduced crime, lots of money for govts) has happened.
Where has it happened?Portugal that hasn't legalized drugs, Canada and parts of the US that have only legalized cannabis like yesterday so any meaningful conclusions can not be reached, gregs656 said:
In essence, you are wasting your time and I am not sure why.
Well yes I am, but there again so are you so why?I am curious where are you from?
Macski said:
gregs656 said:
Why does it need to be sold cheaply or given away? I have not asserted that. Where I live that is not how it works, nor is that the case in the US.
that what was suggested in the replies! If you legalize something and then charge high prices for it your just inviting criminl gangs to come in and make money, take counterfeit goods as an example.
gregs656 said:
Legalising drugs doesn't necessarily lead to greater consumption or more users.
Expand pleasegregs656 said:
The problem is you are arguing as if this is a hypothetical situation, but there is evidence that what you fear hasn't come to pass, and there is evidence that what I am suggesting (improved health, reduced crime, lots of money for govts) has happened.
Where has it happened?Portugal that hasn't legalized drugs, Canada and parts of the US that have only legalized cannabis like yesterday so any meaningful conclusions can not be reached, gregs656 said:
In essence, you are wasting your time and I am not sure why.
Well yes I am, but there again so are you so why?I am curious where are you from?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/1...
This article was written three years after legalisation and doesn't paint the same picture that the hysterics on here are painting. Except mentioning poisoning which is a bit of a red herring...
https://weedpress.wordpress.com/science/studies/ld...
This article describes how you would need to consume 1500lbs of cannabis in 15 minutes for it to be a lethal dose, so non-toxic for all intents and purposes.
This article describes both positives and negatives of legalised cannabis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_legalized...
Again mentions of poison control centres but if you remember, cannabis is basically non-toxic. The worry here is 15% increase in babies born with THC in their blood however no mentions of what that would cause whereas addiction to Cocaine, Heroin or other addictive drugs leads to dire health consequences for the baby. More care in this area required I think to ensure that unborn children are not being disadvantaged from problem drug use, not just cannabis but alcohol (which is devastating for unborn children) so not entirely a new problem and now expectant mothers know not to drink much alcohol during pregnancy (recent NHS advice is no more than a glass of wine or equivalent at any one time, at least that's what our doctor told us)
The above issue has been tackled in recent times with education on alcohol use during pregnancy having a great effect on birth rates of children with fetal alcohol syndrome, so there is no reason to expect that this issue couldn't be solved with education.
You mention having to give it away for free? Nobody said that on this thread. What was said was the price needed to be closely monitored to ensure that the black market have no advantage. As others have said about alcohol and cigarettes, make them too expensive with a cheaper alternative easily available then you will lose sales to the black market. This can be demonstrated in the USA where you are not allowed to transport cannabis across state lines to sell. In some states where the supply is low the black market are still working strongly whereas in some states it is possible to buy cannabis for 20% of the cost here so it's something that needs to be monitored but nobody is saying you need to give it away. It raised 70million in taxes in Oregon so they weren't giving it away and managed to almost double their estimates of tax collected.
The links above should answer all the questions you posed.
Cannabis and mental health in the news again. Some harrowing stories on R2 this morning to endorse this...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47609849
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47609849
Another good argument for legalising it and regulating strength tbh.
Also in the news today-
https://www.businessinsider.com/61-of-us-supports-...
Also in the news today-
https://www.businessinsider.com/61-of-us-supports-...
designforlife said:
Another good argument for legalising it and regulating strength tbh.
Also in the news today-
https://www.businessinsider.com/61-of-us-supports-...
Come on in the waters lovely...Also in the news today-
https://www.businessinsider.com/61-of-us-supports-...
V6 Pushfit said:
Cannabis and mental health in the news again. Some harrowing stories on R2 this morning to endorse this...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47609849
Oh give it a rest already! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47609849
"the study is not definitive proof of harm."
Dr Adrian James from the Royal College of Psychiatrists said: "This is a good quality study and the results need to be taken seriously." (I can't argue with this)
"It's also important not to over-react. Lots of people experiment with cannabis and then move on without any problems. For people who do need advice or help I'd recommend reaching out to a GP or a local drug service."
The article is keenly worded as to avoid supporting one argument or another you have clearly taken it as anti, which is your prerogative but seriously, it just shows what the rest of us have been saying all the way through the thread, to most it is harmless and the occasional joint is exceptionally unlikely to do any harm. Taking it with other substances is bad and very high strength stuff isn't good for you.
Now tell me, what else does that sound like?
....and the wrecking of the lives of sons, daughters and friends recounted this morning together with several psychiatric professionals who said the huge negative effects on some users has been known about for a long time - just goes to add more weight to what we’ve been saying all along.
V6 Pushfit said:
....and the wrecking of the lives of sons, daughters and friends recounted this morning together with several psychiatric professionals who said the huge negative effects on some users has been known about for a long time - just goes to add more weight to what we’ve been saying all along.
That regular over-use of strong versions of cannabis have a potentially harmful effect on the mental well-being of a portion of the population...? I think we have all acknowledged that.What do you think the best way to deal with it is - tell criminals to only sell soft stuff in moderation?
designforlife said:
Pretty sure drinking a 1l bottle of vodka every night would do you some damage (mentally and physically)... 1 can of fosters every night...probably won't do any harm.
strength and potency is everything here... and some people completely fail to grasp this very simple concept.
strength and potency is everything here... and some people completely fail to grasp this very simple concept.
That’s precisely why legalising it won’t get rid of the dealers. It’ll increase the accepted use, increase the number of users, and they will be doing the ‘it can’t harm me’ and want more strength than the sanitised Govt approved packs so go to the bloke in the shadows for it.
I hope legalisation never happens here, it’ll be a dark day for the UK and a darker one for the NHS following on....
V6 Pushfit said:
That’s precisely why legalising it won’t get rid of the dealers. It’ll increase the accepted use, increase the number of users, and they will be doing the ‘it can’t harm me’ and want more strength than the sanitised Govt approved packs so go to the bloke in the shadows for it.
I hope legalisation never happens here, it’ll be a dark day for the UK and a darker one for the NHS following on....
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