Cannabis safety report

[Aphex]

TwistingMyMelon said:

Lungs are overrated anyway

Everyone often harps on about the psyh affects/benefits/issues/concerns

But smoking is proven to cause lung cancer

Tobacco yes, cannabis studies are a little unclear however

[TameRacingDriver]

Who says you have to smoke it?

[moanthebairns]

TameRacingDriver said:

Who says you have to smoke it?

Muller crunch corner fan are we? Only a few will get this comment.

[Aphex]

TameRacingDriver said:

Who says you have to smoke it?

Quite

[smifffymoto]

Trophy Husband said:

TameRacingDriver said:

smifffymoto said:

No but everyone that does enjoy a joint will become an unemployable bum.

What a load of st.

Indeed. Made me snigger into my coffee!!
I know some seriously motivated, successful and wealthy users who have been smoking since their Uni days. I suggest laying off the Daily Mail? Its garbage is addictive.

Obviousley I needed to put a smiley on that comment but thought people would see through the comment.
The odd smoke now and then does very little harm but heavy user become fked by it.My son was ready to jump off a motorway bridge because off canabis and the psychosis it caused.2 years of utter hell for my family so don’t say I know nothing about drugs.Sitting in support groups listening to other parents who deal with the st end of cannabis use.

[TTwiggy]

smifffymoto said:

Obviousley I needed to put a smiley on that comment but thought people would see through the comment.
The odd smoke now and then does very little harm but heavy user become fked by it.My son was ready to jump off a motorway bridge because off canabis and the psychosis it caused.2 years of utter hell for my family so don’t say I know nothing about drugs.Sitting in support groups listening to other parents who deal with the st end of cannabis use.

Was he smoking 'skunk'? It's a very psychoactive strain with none of the 'mellow' benefits of traditional weed. And the reason for its proliferation is that it can be grown very quickly with a basic setup. And the penalties for growing are not as severe as getting caught with a weight trying to get through customs at Tangiers.

[Brave Fart]

There's a whole load of public health campaigns around diet, alcohol, exercise and so on. Legalising herbal cannabis would most likely increase its usage compared to now. That is completely against public health policy, especially given that smoking of any substance can't be good for you.
So I really can't see any government supporting legalisation of any drug that is currently banned. I'm fine with that.

[dvs_dave]

Brave Fart said:

There's a whole load of public health campaigns around diet, alcohol, exercise and so on. Legalising herbal cannabis would most likely increase its usage compared to now. That is completely against public health policy, especially given that smoking of any substance can't be good for you.
So I really can't see any government supporting legalisation of any drug that is currently banned. I'm fine with that.

I presume you’ve not heard of edibles then? One of the biggest formats for consumption in markets where it’s been legalised. No risk of any smoking related complications with that.

[j_4m]

smifffymoto said:

Obviousley I needed to put a smiley on that comment but thought people would see through the comment.
The odd smoke now and then does very little harm but heavy user become fked by it.My son was ready to jump off a motorway bridge because off canabis and the psychosis it caused.2 years of utter hell for my family so don’t say I know nothing about drugs.Sitting in support groups listening to other parents who deal with the st end of cannabis use.

Whilst I'm sorry to hear about the problems with your son, I know plenty of heavy recreational cannabis users who have absolutely no problems maintaining relationships, families and careers.

[aeropilot]

smifffymoto said:

Trophy Husband said:

TameRacingDriver said:

smifffymoto said:

No but everyone that does enjoy a joint will become an unemployable bum.

What a load of st.

Indeed. Made me snigger into my coffee!!
I know some seriously motivated, successful and wealthy users who have been smoking since their Uni days. I suggest laying off the Daily Mail? Its garbage is addictive.

Obviousley I needed to put a smiley on that comment but thought people would see through the comment.
The odd smoke now and then does very little harm but heavy user become fked by it.My son was ready to jump off a motorway bridge because off canabis and the psychosis it caused.2 years of utter hell for my family so don’t say I know nothing about drugs.Sitting in support groups listening to other parents who deal with the st end of cannabis use.

One of my aunts (now in her mid 80's) has had to deal with it for over 30 years, because of my cousin's heavy use of the past 40 years, having to support him through most of his later adult life because he couldn't work. Last I heard my cousin is now virtually a permanent resident in a psychiatric institution.

[anonymous-user]

aeropilot said:

smifffymoto said:

Trophy Husband said:

TameRacingDriver said:

smifffymoto said:

No but everyone that does enjoy a joint will become an unemployable bum.

What a load of st.

Indeed. Made me snigger into my coffee!!
I know some seriously motivated, successful and wealthy users who have been smoking since their Uni days. I suggest laying off the Daily Mail? Its garbage is addictive.

Obviousley I needed to put a smiley on that comment but thought people would see through the comment.
The odd smoke now and then does very little harm but heavy user become fked by it.My son was ready to jump off a motorway bridge because off canabis and the psychosis it caused.2 years of utter hell for my family so don’t say I know nothing about drugs.Sitting in support groups listening to other parents who deal with the st end of cannabis use.

One of my aunts (now in her mid 80's) has had to deal with it for over 30 years, because of my cousin's heavy use of the past 40 years, having to support him through most of his later adult life because he couldn't work. Last I heard my cousin is now virtually a permanent resident in a psychiatric institution.

Whilst I never had any issues as an occasional user in my youth, one of my family had a psychotic episode with the joy of voices telling them to kill themselves, then required treatment for several months, couldn't sleep on their own, couldn't process anything complex (like more than 2 things on a dinner plate), and this went on for several months. They were not a heavy user, in fact much less than me over a shorter period.

Talking with the relevant mental health teams, their view was that c90%+ of cases like this (rapid onset, no history, under 20) were due to drugs, most often cannabis.

So whilst it's likely the majority will not suffer significant harm, there are potentially life changing side effects especially for youngsters.

[captain_cynic]

geeks said:

Presumably you support the argument for criminalising Alcohol then?

As well as coffee and sugar.

[moanthebairns]

wsurfa said:

aeropilot said:

smifffymoto said:

Trophy Husband said:

TameRacingDriver said:

smifffymoto said:

No but everyone that does enjoy a joint will become an unemployable bum.

What a load of st.

Indeed. Made me snigger into my coffee!!
I know some seriously motivated, successful and wealthy users who have been smoking since their Uni days. I suggest laying off the Daily Mail? Its garbage is addictive.

Obviousley I needed to put a smiley on that comment but thought people would see through the comment.
The odd smoke now and then does very little harm but heavy user become fked by it.My son was ready to jump off a motorway bridge because off canabis and the psychosis it caused.2 years of utter hell for my family so don’t say I know nothing about drugs.Sitting in support groups listening to other parents who deal with the st end of cannabis use.

One of my aunts (now in her mid 80's) has had to deal with it for over 30 years, because of my cousin's heavy use of the past 40 years, having to support him through most of his later adult life because he couldn't work. Last I heard my cousin is now virtually a permanent resident in a psychiatric institution.

Whilst I never had any issues as an occasional user in my youth, one of my family had a psychotic episode with the joy of voices telling them to kill themselves, then required treatment for several months, couldn't sleep on their own, couldn't process anything complex (like more than 2 things on a dinner plate), and this went on for several months. They were not a heavy user, in fact much less than me over a shorter period.

Talking with the relevant mental health teams, their view was that c90%+ of cases like this (rapid onset, no history, under 20) were due to drugs, most often cannabis.

So whilst it's likely the majority will not suffer significant harm, there are potentially life changing side effects especially for youngsters.

I have a friend whom this happened to. On the flip side of the coin, the war on drugs has been lost over and over. It will continue to as long as there's 'easy' money to be made for some.
Isn't it time to start legalising it, licencing it and controlling it.

[paul.deitch]

moanthebairns said:

I'm always surprised about the sheer knee jerk reaction to some on here and in society on the use of recreational drugs. Especially so when these people tend to smash a bottle of wine on a school night, presumably its miles different because they bought it from Aldi and not a guy called Dave.

Edited by moanthebairns on Thursday 14th February 12:18

Dave's not here!

On a serious note I've also seen the destructive effects on a friend who had everything including psychological problems. But I have successful friends who use it. On balance I think that we should treat it like alcohol.

[Brave Fart]

dvs_dave said:

I presume you’ve not heard of edibles then? One of the biggest formats for consumption in markets where it’s been legalised. No risk of any smoking related complications with that.

Well of course I have, and I mentioned diet. No government is going to allow smoking, eating or any other form of ingesting something currently illegal that would add to the list of "things that are bad for you". It would be a total reversal of public health policy.
Meanwhile, those of you saying "the war on drugs is lost. Legalise it." Would you apply that logic to child sex abuse then, or burglary? "Let's make everything legal then the criminals will go away!"
The last thing society needs is more pyscho-active substance consumption. And don't give me that "what about alcohol?" argument. We are where we are with booze and tobacco, no going back. That is not an argument for relaxing the rules. See public health policy above.

[227bhp]

Brave Fart said:

dvs_dave said:

I presume you’ve not heard of edibles then? One of the biggest formats for consumption in markets where it’s been legalised. No risk of any smoking related complications with that.

Well of course I have, and I mentioned diet. No government is going to allow smoking, eating or any other form of ingesting something currently illegal that would add to the list of "things that are bad for you". It would be a total reversal of public health policy.
Meanwhile, those of you saying "the war on drugs is lost. Legalise it." Would you apply that logic to child sex abuse then, or burglary? "Let's make everything legal then the criminals will go away!"
The last thing society needs is more pyscho-active substance consumption. And don't give me that "what about alcohol?" argument. We are where we are with booze and tobacco, no going back. That is not an argument for relaxing the rules. See public health policy above.

I think your knowledge on this topic is a bit outdated.

[bodhi]

Brave Fart said:

Well of course I have, and I mentioned diet. No government is going to allow smoking, eating or any other form of ingesting something currently illegal that would add to the list of "things that are bad for you". It would be a total reversal of public health policy.
Meanwhile, those of you saying "the war on drugs is lost. Legalise it." Would you apply that logic to child sex abuse then, or burglary? "Let's make everything legal then the criminals will go away!"
The last thing society needs is more pyscho-active substance consumption. And don't give me that "what about alcohol?" argument. We are where we are with booze and tobacco, no going back. That is not an argument for relaxing the rules. See public health policy above.

No government at all. Other than Canada, Mexico, Uruguay, California, Washington, Colorado, Michigan and Portugal. Oh, and the UK for specific medical cases. No others tho. Yet.

Legalise it, put and age limit on sale, profit. Because at this point in time, other than a few people who need to put down the Daily Mail and Reefer Madness videos, nobody cares if you smoke weed.

For instance I am sitting at the bar at LAX waiting for a flight back from a conference. Obviously, being California, that distinctive smell was never far away, and nobody gave a st. A group of my US colleagues, some of them VPs, were standing in a group by the bar passing a vape pen around chatting nonsense. The next night they were up on stage getting awards for their achievements. Then went outside and starting the vape around again.

And nobody cared.

[anonymous-user]

Brave Fart said:

Well of course I have, and I mentioned diet. No government is going to allow smoking, eating or any other form of ingesting something currently illegal that would add to the list of "things that are bad for you". It would be a total reversal of public health policy.
Meanwhile, those of you saying "the war on drugs is lost. Legalise it." Would you apply that logic to child sex abuse then, or burglary? "Let's make everything legal then the criminals will go away!"
The last thing society needs is more pyscho-active substance consumption. And don't give me that "what about alcohol?" argument. We are where we are with booze and tobacco, no going back. That is not an argument for relaxing the rules. See public health policy above.

Very good summary there

[amusingduck]

Brave Fart said:

Well of course I have, and I mentioned diet. No government is going to allow smoking, eating or any other form of ingesting something currently illegal that would add to the list of "things that are bad for you". It would be a total reversal of public health policy.
...
That is not an argument for relaxing the rules. See public health policy above.

...that's your argument? It would reverse government policy, and thus won't happen?

It's simply a matter of time, Canada are legalising, even the US are legalising. Eventually someone will dangle it as a vote winner, because the logic for keeping it banned simply doesn't stack up.

[smifffymoto]

Legalising weed means some sort of control.Anywhere with legal weed doesn’t sell skunk,they sell controled drugs from licenced growers etc.
Legalise it and you stop alot of criminal activity and related violence,I’m talking about low level dealing and such like.