Is this homophobia dressed up as parents' rights?
Discussion
Triumph Man said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
"[the program] is telling us it's ok to be gay and muslim"
What annoys me about this statement is that country, and indeed world, wide, there are Muslims who are struggling with their sexuality who will be knocked back by phrases such as this (effectively saying it is impossible to be both). It's fine to be both, and I hope, for their sakes, that they can be character strong and rise above this. In the UK at least it's become far easier for them to "come out" which (afaics) has been due primarily to schools have covered LGBT subjects. And also FWIW I think the same applies to people from non-muslim backgrounds. Homosexuality was a massively taboo subject when i was growing up and kids were bullied mercilessly at school. I'm led to believe that isn't anywhere near as commonplace now and surely that can only be a good thing?
Countdown said:
I've known (and still know) a few muslims who were/are gay.
In the UK at least it's become far easier for them to "come out" which (afaics) has been due primarily to schools have covered LGBT subjects. And also FWIW I think the same applies to people from non-muslim backgrounds.
Homosexuality was a massively taboo subject when i was growing up and kids were bullied mercilessly at school. I'm led to believe that isn't anywhere near as commonplace now and surely that can only be a good thing?
Homosexuality was a massively taboo subject when i was growing up and kids were bullied mercilessly at school. I'm led to believe that isn't anywhere near as commonplace now and surely that can only be a good thing?In the UK at least it's become far easier for them to "come out" which (afaics) has been due primarily to schools have covered LGBT subjects. And also FWIW I think the same applies to people from non-muslim backgrounds.
Homosexuality was a massively taboo subject when i was growing up and kids were bullied mercilessly at school. I'm led to believe that isn't anywhere near as commonplace now and surely that can only be a good thing?
Notwithstanding the shellacking meted out to me earlier, I agree with the bold. When I went to school it was mocked. Thankfully that has changed with the passage of time to a more enlightened age. My point is, since those times that has been achieved entirely without the interference of lobbies and politically influenced evangelists resulting in suppression of a natural progression. The activists have only been operating relatively recently, too early to claim any credit. They have however succeeded in browbeating everyone into forced submission to ultra PC rote, a backward step in my view.
Thorodin said:
Homosexuality was a massively taboo subject when i was growing up and kids were bullied mercilessly at school. I'm led to believe that isn't anywhere near as commonplace now and surely that can only be a good thing?
Notwithstanding the shellacking meted out to me earlier, I agree with the bold. When I went to school it was mocked. Thankfully that has changed with the passage of time to a more enlightened age. My point is, since those times that has been achieved entirely without the interference of lobbies and politically influenced evangelists resulting in suppression of a natural progression. The activists have only been operating relatively recently, too early to claim any credit. They have however succeeded in browbeating everyone into forced submission to ultra PC rote, a backward step in my view.
Not in my opinion. There has been massive lobbying. I remember people like Peter Tatchell being very vociferous about LGBT rights in the 1980's and being openly mocked/condemned, (No doubt he was branded as whatever the equivalent of SJW was back then) I am sure there were many many others. it most definitely didn't come about as some kind of "natural progression". That's precisely why LGBT rights are non-existent in most developing countries (and arguably even in some developed countries).Notwithstanding the shellacking meted out to me earlier, I agree with the bold. When I went to school it was mocked. Thankfully that has changed with the passage of time to a more enlightened age. My point is, since those times that has been achieved entirely without the interference of lobbies and politically influenced evangelists resulting in suppression of a natural progression. The activists have only been operating relatively recently, too early to claim any credit. They have however succeeded in browbeating everyone into forced submission to ultra PC rote, a backward step in my view.
And apparently it's all fine.Thorodin said:
Homosexuality was a massively taboo subject when i was growing up and kids were bullied mercilessly at school. I'm led to believe that isn't anywhere near as commonplace now and surely that can only be a good thing?
Notwithstanding the shellacking meted out to me earlier, I agree with the bold. When I went to school it was mocked. Thankfully that has changed with the passage of time to a more enlightened age. My point is, since those times that has been achieved entirely without the interference of lobbies and politically influenced evangelists resulting in suppression of a natural progression. The activists have only been operating relatively recently, too early to claim any credit. They have however succeeded in browbeating everyone into forced submission to ultra PC rote, a backward step in my view.
Wow. Notwithstanding the shellacking meted out to me earlier, I agree with the bold. When I went to school it was mocked. Thankfully that has changed with the passage of time to a more enlightened age. My point is, since those times that has been achieved entirely without the interference of lobbies and politically influenced evangelists resulting in suppression of a natural progression. The activists have only been operating relatively recently, too early to claim any credit. They have however succeeded in browbeating everyone into forced submission to ultra PC rote, a backward step in my view.
The Homosexual Law Reform Society was specifically set up (surprise surprise) to lobby for change in the law, that was in the late 50s.
You could hardly pick a less appropriate example of a change that has come about with no activism.
We are talking about the latest innovation in infant and primary schooling - not the social trends and gradual enlightenment of those Neanderthals that takes place.
Turn the telescope the right way round! To assume that an objection to what is happening now in our schools indicates homophobia is rather childish and typical of the particular lobby, perhaps some need re-educating along with their children. Or are contrary arguments viewed with paranoiac apprehension? Bakers' cake anyone?
Turn the telescope the right way round! To assume that an objection to what is happening now in our schools indicates homophobia is rather childish and typical of the particular lobby, perhaps some need re-educating along with their children. Or are contrary arguments viewed with paranoiac apprehension? Bakers' cake anyone?
Thorodin said:
We are talking about the latest innovation in infant and primary schooling - not the social trends and gradual enlightenment of those Neanderthals that takes place.
Turn the telescope the right way round! To assume that an objection to what is happening now in our schools indicates homophobia is rather childish and typical of the particular lobby, perhaps some need re-educating along with their children. Or are contrary arguments viewed with paranoiac apprehension? Bakers' cake anyone?
I'm a millennial. I was taught sex education in primary school ( I would have been 9-10). That is an important age as kids start to "awaken". And its mightily important to allow those who will be different to know that it's ok. You're who you are. And to teach the others that people can be different and that's ok too. Turn the telescope the right way round! To assume that an objection to what is happening now in our schools indicates homophobia is rather childish and typical of the particular lobby, perhaps some need re-educating along with their children. Or are contrary arguments viewed with paranoiac apprehension? Bakers' cake anyone?
To either:
1) be against this
2) believe that parents should and could deal with it
Makes you out to be a few generations behind the times.
Thorodin said:
We are talking about the latest innovation in infant and primary schooling - not the social trends and gradual enlightenment of those Neanderthals that takes place.
Turn the telescope the right way round! To assume that an objection to what is happening now in our schools indicates homophobia is rather childish and typical of the particular lobby, perhaps some need re-educating along with their children. Or are contrary arguments viewed with paranoiac apprehension? Bakers' cake anyone?
How can it be an assumption if it is supported by the evidence? Turn the telescope the right way round! To assume that an objection to what is happening now in our schools indicates homophobia is rather childish and typical of the particular lobby, perhaps some need re-educating along with their children. Or are contrary arguments viewed with paranoiac apprehension? Bakers' cake anyone?
Nickbrapp said:
It’s gonna blow their minds when some of their Muslim sons or daughters come out as gay, or worse kill themselves because they don’t think their family will accept them.
Religion, so peaceful
Possibly.Religion, so peaceful
However, let's think 25 years ahead, to a generation that is hopefully better educated and more tolerant. At least their kids won't feel like they have to kill themselves.
My generation (most of us at least) didn't magically become more tolerant. We learnt tolerance form various different sources, one of those being schools.
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