Is this homophobia dressed up as parents' rights?
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I presume the parents are being fined for the unauthorised absence?
I struggle with the concept of how anyone can be upset about teaching tolerance of anything. We can agree or disagree with many things, but all should be tolerant of each other regardless of the views they hold surely?!?!
I struggle with the concept of how anyone can be upset about teaching tolerance of anything. We can agree or disagree with many things, but all should be tolerant of each other regardless of the views they hold surely?!?!
Jasandjules said:
I presume the parents are being fined for the unauthorised absence?
I struggle with the concept of how anyone can be upset about teaching tolerance of anything. We can agree or disagree with many things, but all should be tolerant of each other regardless of the views they hold surely?!?!
It was quite a big thing in the 80s and 90s. Even the prime minister was against it. I struggle with the concept of how anyone can be upset about teaching tolerance of anything. We can agree or disagree with many things, but all should be tolerant of each other regardless of the views they hold surely?!?!
Common sense prevailed and this lot need to be told to FRO as well.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd March 20:18
Meanwhile whilst the Muslim folk get aerated about anyone talking about homosexuality and the white folk get upset about the Muslim folk getting upset about homosexuality, as now they are ok with gay as the Muslims dont like it, and everyone is using it for their own agendas.
The kids themselves dont give a flying one, some men like ladies, some ladies like men, some men like men, some ladies like ladies "Ok, grown ups, cheers for the info, can we go on the Nintendo now" ?
And they will be whatever they will be, I can remember a conversation with my dad about the birds and bees, I asked about why men couldn't have babies with other men, he just said you need one of each for babies and that was good enough for me at four, learnt about the other stuff much later and it didnt turn me !
Thats the problem with religions, they dont ever really adapt properly.
The kids themselves dont give a flying one, some men like ladies, some ladies like men, some men like men, some ladies like ladies "Ok, grown ups, cheers for the info, can we go on the Nintendo now" ?
And they will be whatever they will be, I can remember a conversation with my dad about the birds and bees, I asked about why men couldn't have babies with other men, he just said you need one of each for babies and that was good enough for me at four, learnt about the other stuff much later and it didnt turn me !
Thats the problem with religions, they dont ever really adapt properly.
J4CKO said:
Meanwhile whilst the Muslim folk get aerated about anyone talking about homosexuality and the white folk get upset about the Muslim folk getting upset about homosexuality, as now they are ok with gay as the Muslims dont like it, and everyone is using it for their own agendas.
Are there any white folk getting upset about upsetting the muslims? (outside of a few outliers?)I think we need to remember that in regards to equality (despite what the extremists say), the UK is one of the top countries in the world. Many who live in this area of Birmingham are 1st or 2nd generation immigrants from countries with rather extreme views on homosexuality. Unfortunately it’ll take a while for it to be accepted and filter through to subsequent generations.
It’s only fairly recently that homosexuality has become generally accepted here, and while I think anyone living in the UK should adapt to our way of life, I guess it’s a fairly big thing when they’ve always been told that homosexuality is evil.
A good friend of mine is originally from Alum Rock, fortunately his family are Westernised and had little issue with him being gay. Some of his friends were not so fortunate and found themselves ousted from the family.
It’s only fairly recently that homosexuality has become generally accepted here, and while I think anyone living in the UK should adapt to our way of life, I guess it’s a fairly big thing when they’ve always been told that homosexuality is evil.
A good friend of mine is originally from Alum Rock, fortunately his family are Westernised and had little issue with him being gay. Some of his friends were not so fortunate and found themselves ousted from the family.
desolate said:
J4CKO said:
Meanwhile whilst the Muslim folk get aerated about anyone talking about homosexuality and the white folk get upset about the Muslim folk getting upset about homosexuality, as now they are ok with gay as the Muslims dont like it, and everyone is using it for their own agendas.
Are there any white folk getting upset about upsetting the muslims? (outside of a few outliers?)
oyster said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
I like stories like this, it makes lefties heads spin, on one side you have homophobia and intolerance but it's coming from muslim community.
As a lifelong Tory voter, I’m a little concerned you think tolerance is a reserve of the left.They can't defend the views of the Muslim community in this instance because of the intolerant homophobic views. But they can't start to criticize them because that's islamophobic.
I feel for the kids these days one week they try and teach tolerance to things like homosexuality. Half the class are taken out of class and parents try and get people fired.
Then next week it's tolerance for Islam week where they try and teach Islam is a tolerant religion. Little Jimmy goes "But last week miss most of the Muslim showed total intolerance to being gay, are you saying we should be tolerant to intolerance?"
Teacher "shut up Jimmy, that's a week of detention for you"
Not-The-Messiah said:
I don't think you understand the point. Its to do with identity politics and which poor minority group trump's the other.
They can't defend the views of the Muslim community in this instance because of the intolerant homophobic views. But they can't start to criticize them because that's islamophobic.
This is a straw man.They can't defend the views of the Muslim community in this instance because of the intolerant homophobic views. But they can't start to criticize them because that's islamophobic.
Criticising these parents is not islamophobic.
Countdown said:
WonkeyDonkey said:
Surely if they want to live in a backwards country they could go move to Pakistan or any middle eastern country that sees homosexuals lower than vermin.
Absolutely ridiculous that we pander to the mostly barbaric and totally backwards beliefs of the Muslim faith.
Talking about backwards beliefs...Absolutely ridiculous that we pander to the mostly barbaric and totally backwards beliefs of the Muslim faith.
I think you'd find similar views in a lot of countries outside Western Europe.....
Remember when the leaders of the Wetboro Baptist Church were (quite rightly) prevented from coming to the UK because of their interpretation of a religious text?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/78989...
Countdown said:
An alternative view -
The Church teaches that Homosexuality is evil. Your son./daughter comes home with a very negative view about homosexuals.
The School teaches that Homosexuality and heterosexuality are both acceptable. Your son/daughter comes home with an understanding that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both acceptable. one is not fundamentally better than the other. Both exist in the real world etc etc.
In relation to your example - schools aren't teaching that something is "WRONG". It's the church doing that.
Perfectly outlined, in my opinion. The Church teaches that Homosexuality is evil. Your son./daughter comes home with a very negative view about homosexuals.
The School teaches that Homosexuality and heterosexuality are both acceptable. Your son/daughter comes home with an understanding that homosexuality and heterosexuality are both acceptable. one is not fundamentally better than the other. Both exist in the real world etc etc.
In relation to your example - schools aren't teaching that something is "WRONG". It's the church doing that.
desolate said:
It was quite a big thing in the 80s and 90s. Even the prime minister was against it.
Common sense prevailed and this lot need to be told to FRO as well.
This is good point and worth highlighting. Common sense prevailed and this lot need to be told to FRO as well.
My old MP, David Wilshire, was very proud of being one of the main instigators behind the 'Section 28' legislation, which was introduced into law in the late 1980's.
At the time, there were a lots of people with exactly the same attitudes as the people in this article. And these were such widely held views, the government decided to change the law to ensure homosexuality could not be "promoted" in schools.
This is a youtube clip, originally from Newsnight last year, which reflected on the effects of Section 28 and the prevailing social attitudes at the time. In many ways it shows how far we have come as a society. Clearly though, there is more to do in some communities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk8YrrMVAaY
Sa Calobra said:
Nothing wrong with teaching sexuality at 13+
This is a primary school, age range 3 to 11.The parents are not objecting to sex education, they are objecting to an additional course run by the assistant head, who is gay:
article said:
The programme, run alongside sex and relationship education lessons, promotes LGBT equality and challenges homophobia in primary schools.
The protest isn't as backward and unreasonable as one side will try to claim.
Not-The-Messiah said:
oyster said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
I like stories like this, it makes lefties heads spin, on one side you have homophobia and intolerance but it's coming from muslim community.
As a lifelong Tory voter, I’m a little concerned you think tolerance is a reserve of the left.They can't defend the views of the Muslim community in this instance because of the intolerant homophobic views. But they can't start to criticize them because that's islamophobic.
I feel for the kids these days one week they try and teach tolerance to things like homosexuality. Half the class are taken out of class and parents try and get people fired.
Then next week it's tolerance for Islam week where they try and teach Islam is a tolerant religion. Little Jimmy goes "But last week miss most of the Muslim showed total intolerance to being gay, are you saying we should be tolerant to intolerance?"
Teacher "shut up Jimmy, that's a week of detention for you"
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