Islamaphobia in Tory party?

[JagLover]

biggbn said:

So why vote for a party that allows both islamophobia AND puts people like you allege she is in positions of power? Both our major parties are a laughing stock, neither have a moral high ground, both are full of self serving ideologues who perpetuate binary politics and could not, individually or collectively, run a bath.

That was Cameron, he gave her the platform. Without him she would just be another extremist on social media. They were desperate for a Muslim woman and it seemed any would do and they didn't need to be elected.

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

biggbn said:

So why vote for a party that allows both islamophobia AND puts people like you allege she is in positions of power? Both our major parties are a laughing stock, neither have a moral high ground, both are full of self serving ideologues who perpetuate binary politics and could not, individually or collectively, run a bath.

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That's silly isn't it, it was a mistake. Doesn't mean I should now vote for a much worse lifelong committed racist in the form of Comrade Corbyn

Is the party islamaphobia just a mistake also? I fear you and I have done this discussion before and never the Twain? I believe all sorts of prejudice exists throughout society and is mirrored in any collective of human beings. It is, I believe a minority who spoil it for a more tolerant majority, but it needs actioned when we peer under whatever rock it hides under. That was one of my main problems with corbyn, slow to act. Just as both May and Johnson were/are about their party's problem. However big or small these things need sorted out not ignored or encouraged. Sadly, the minority I believe are guilty of predjuidicial behaviour appear to end up statistically in more positions of power than those who wish to do something, so we end up with an acknowledged but widely accepted problem. Sad days.

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

That was one of my main problems with corbyn, slow to act.

He was fast enough to act to defend a racist mural wasn't he

[deadslow]

bhstewie said:

fk me anything and everything can all be defended and justified "because Corbyn" can't it.

Christ.

well, its either that or try to defend your record, which is a bit tricky for the current incompetents.

[Countdown]

jakesmith said:

Halb said:

jakesmith said:

Warsi has known links to terror groups & tried to get extremists jobs in the HOC. Do some reading you fool.

You can also stick your stupid laughing emoji where it hurts

Warsi has links to terrorist groups?

She certainly does I'm afraid to say - disgraceful

Is it one of those "close links" where she said "Hello" to a bloke whose second cousin's mother-in-law met Jeremy Corbyn?

[jakesmith]

Countdown said:

jakesmith said:

Halb said:

jakesmith said:

Warsi has known links to terror groups & tried to get extremists jobs in the HOC. Do some reading you fool.

You can also stick your stupid laughing emoji where it hurts

Warsi has links to terrorist groups?

She certainly does I'm afraid to say - disgraceful

Is it one of those "close links" where she said "Hello" to a bloke whose second cousin's mother-in-law met Jeremy Corbyn?

You might want to educate yourself on the topic it isn’t difficult

[deadslow]

jakesmith said:

You might want to educate yourself on the topic it isn’t difficult

you might want to learn some manners

[jakesmith]

deadslow said:

jakesmith said:

You might want to educate yourself on the topic it isn’t difficult

you might want to learn some manners

I take it as it comes you flaming rat

[Countdown]

jakesmith said:

You might want to educate yourself on the topic it isn’t difficult

You're clearly well-educated on the matter. Why don't you tell us? Preferable a link that isn't full of vague and inconclusive smears and half-truths.....

[JuanCarlosFandango]

So today's shock horror seems to revolve mostly around what Tory prospective candidates may have liked on Facebook. And this is set against Corbyn laying wreaths at the grave of terrorists who murdered Israeli athletes in Munich, and writing a glowing forward to a book claiming Jews start wars for money as proof that the two are just as bad as each other.

We are in an age of absurdity on racism, where the most casual and careless language can cause lasting offence and the most pernicious and vile bigotry can be brushed aside, depending on who it comes from.

[jakesmith]

Countdown said:

jakesmith said:

You might want to educate yourself on the topic it isn’t difficult

You're clearly well-educated on the matter. Why don't you tell us? Preferable a link that isn't full of vague and inconclusive smears and half-truths.....

There’s 2 links to stories within 20 posts above this you lazy dole scrounger, that’s what’s wrong with young people these days- bone idle

[BigMon]

jakesmith said:

There’s 2 links to stories within 20 posts above this you lazy dole scrounger, that’s what’s wrong with young people these days- bone idle

Jake, I've enjoyed your posts on various subjects and you've been pretty level headed up until the last few weeks.

Calm down a bit. You're acting like a buffoon.

EDIT - unless these posts are joking of course. In which case pass me the whoosh parrot.

Edited by BigMon on Saturday 7th December 20:01

[bitchstewie]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

So today's shock horror seems to revolve mostly around what Tory prospective candidates may have liked on Facebook. And this is set against Corbyn laying wreaths at the grave of terrorists who murdered Israeli athletes in Munich, and writing a glowing forward to a book claiming Jews start wars for money as proof that the two are just as bad as each other.

We are in an age of absurdity on racism, where the most casual and careless language can cause lasting offence and the most pernicious and vile bigotry can be brushed aside, depending on who it comes from.

We're also in an age where many peoples first instinct when made aware of issues in their own "side" is to say "Well we aren't as bad as the other lot" rather than simply say "That's absolutely disgusting".

[zygalski]

PH is a Tory fanboy forum.
Any mention of issues surrounding the Conservative party and you will face a barrage of whataboutism and deflection.

[Mobile Chicane]

zygalski said:

PH is a Tory fanboy forum.
Any mention of issues surrounding the Conservative party and you will face a barrage of whataboutism and deflection.

This we know. Present a different view - never mind the truth - and you're a troll. Bring it on. It gets my gusset moist.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

bhstewie said:

We're also in an age where many peoples first instinct when made aware of issues in their own "side" is to say "Well we aren't as bad as the other lot" rather than simply say "That's absolutely disgusting".

Depending what was shared or liked I don't really think clicking things on Facebook registers compared with some of the stuff that seems to be happening in Labour. It isn't deflection. It demeans the seriousness of the issue to claim that trivia like this is equivalent to Labour's antisemitism.

[bitchstewie]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Depending what was shared or liked I don't really think clicking things on Facebook registers compared with some of the stuff that seems to be happening in Labour. It isn't deflection. It demeans the seriousness of the issue to claim that trivia like this is equivalent to Labour's antisemitism.

Who said it's equivalent?

The Conservative Party don't seem to have the same level of issues that Labour do.

They do have some issues though.

When you see claims that an MP liked an "Ein Reich" comment under a video suggesting that Jewish billionaire George Soros controls the EU it isn't unreasonable to expect someone to comment on it without involving other parties.

Call that sort of thing "trivia" doesn't help.

[jakesmith]

If you read the submissions to the Equalities Commision about Labour’s Antisemitism it’s a different ball game. Jewish people shouted at and intimidated in meetings with the chair refusing to do anything about it. That’s institutional racism

Throwing accusations at The Conservatives about the odd isolated comment, is a deflection tactic

It is still abhorrent, unacceptable and needs addressing but it doesn’t make the whole party and it’s mechanisms institutionally racist and rotten in the way Labour is

[JuanCarlosFandango]

The article originally linked said a "Nazi slogan." I didn't see anything about what that slogan was. Any link?

I'm quite sure there are racists in the Tory party, and they should be weeded out. But from the examples I've seen so far, bearing in mind that someone seems to be trawling over this stuff with a pretty fibe tooth comb, I would hardly call it a crisis.

[bitchstewie]

jakesmith said:

If you read the submissions to the Equalities Commision about Labour’s Antisemitism it’s a different ball game. Jewish people shouted at and intimidated in meetings with the chair refusing to do anything about it. That’s institutional racism

Throwing accusations at The Conservatives about the odd isolated comment, is a deflection tactic

It is still abhorrent, unacceptable and needs addressing but it doesn’t make the whole party and it’s mechanisms institutionally racist and rotten in the way Labour is

The issues in Labour are abhorrent.

But suggestions that highlighting issues in the Conservative party is a "deflection tactic" aren't too smart either.

I don't doubt that Labour politicians will try and use it as a deflection tactic but it doesn't mean the issues in other parties aren't real and and will go away if left unchallenged.

Or are people supposed to give other parties a free pass until it's neck and neck in some kind of league table?

People have got so wrapped up in their own "team" they'll excuse a hell of a lot.

Call it out when you see it.