Shamima Begum...
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jamoor said:
So an Australian problem should be sent back to Australia?
That certainly looks like an Australian problem to me.
But she was born a Kiwi national and hasn’t repudiated her nationality, or am I missing the point? Why should the Blessed Jacinda of Sanctimonia not take responsibility for her own national?That certainly looks like an Australian problem to me.
psi310398 said:
jamoor said:
So an Australian problem should be sent back to Australia?
That certainly looks like an Australian problem to me.
But she was born a Kiwi national and hasn’t repudiated her nationality, or am I missing the point? Why should the Blessed Jacinda of Sanctimonia not take responsibility for her own national?That certainly looks like an Australian problem to me.
She lived almost all of her life in Aus + Held an Aus passport.
She was turned into a terrorist on Australias watch.
psi310398 said:
None of that stops her being a Kiwi as well, and probably even foremost.
Of course not, but she was a dual national, having spent most of her life in Australia, she left australia after being brainwashed in Australia.Any reasonable person would consider her more Australian then Kiwi
Much like Shamaima is a British problem and not a Bangladeshi one.
jamoor said:
Of course not, but she was a dual national, having spent most of her life in Australia, she left australia after being brainwashed in Australia.
Any reasonable person would consider her more Australian then Kiwi
Much like Shamaima is a British problem and not a Bangladeshi one.
Much earlier in this thread I agreed that SB was and should be a British problem and I still hold that view. I don’t much care for the principle of rescinding of nationality and I think all nationals should be treated equally. Any reasonable person would consider her more Australian then Kiwi
Much like Shamaima is a British problem and not a Bangladeshi one.
So I think a principled view is that SB is a British problem because she was born a British national. Why would it not apply equally to a Kiwi national?
But by the same equality token, having a British or NZ passport does not give anybody a free pass from facing criminal processes where crimes have allegedly been committed, so why not let justice take its course? As with any other citizen who finds him/herself in trouble abroad provide consular assistance, if possible. But nothing more.
psi310398 said:
Much earlier in this thread I agreed that SB was and should be a British problem and I still hold that view. I don’t much care for the principle of rescinding of nationality and I think all nationals should be treated equally.
So I think a principled view is that SB is a British problem because she was born a British national. Why would it not apply equally to a Kiwi national?
But by the same equality token, having a British or NZ passport does not give anybody a free pass from facing criminal processes where crimes have allegedly been committed, so why not let justice take its course? As with any other citizen who finds him/herself in trouble abroad provide consular assistance, if possible. But nothing more.
The kiwi held an Australian passport and lived almost all of their lives in Aus...So I think a principled view is that SB is a British problem because she was born a British national. Why would it not apply equally to a Kiwi national?
But by the same equality token, having a British or NZ passport does not give anybody a free pass from facing criminal processes where crimes have allegedly been committed, so why not let justice take its course? As with any other citizen who finds him/herself in trouble abroad provide consular assistance, if possible. But nothing more.
Do the Syrians even want a camp full of foreign terrorists on their doorstep?
jamoor said:
The kiwi held an Australian passport and lived almost all of their lives in Aus...
Do the Syrians even want a camp full of foreign terrorists on their doorstep?
AIUI, the internationally recognised Syrian government would happily like to lay its hands on these people but they are in the custody of a rebel group that is reluctant (for reasons of both implied legitimacy and well-founded human rights concerns) to hand them over, even if channels were open to do so. Do the Syrians even want a camp full of foreign terrorists on their doorstep?
I suspect a lot of people wouldn’t mind her coming back if they thought she would actually face justice. A life in jail for example. But the extreme lefties have made a rod for their own back if you think about it. Because they don’t think anyone should have real punishment, the government have kept her out altogether which they don’t like even worse.
If you gave her the choice a) return and face life in jail or b) stay where you are with no British citizenship, which do you think she would choose?
If you gave her the choice a) return and face life in jail or b) stay where you are with no British citizenship, which do you think she would choose?
CoolHands said:
I suspect a lot of people wouldn’t mind her coming back if they thought she would actually face justice. A life in jail for example. But the extreme lefties have made a rod for their own back if you think about it. Because they don’t think anyone should have real punishment, the government have kept her out altogether which they don’t like even worse.
If you gave her the choice a) return and face life in jail or b) stay where you are with no British citizenship, which do you think she would choose?
It's odd it now seems I am an extreme lefty because I think before someone spends time in jail they should be convicted of some thing. If you gave her the choice a) return and face life in jail or b) stay where you are with no British citizenship, which do you think she would choose?
I think she should take up vlogging on You Tube
The interest would be massive and there is no reason why her vlogs can't be as interesting as many other vloggers..
Titles like "shantymarket try on haul" "Ordering the same food as the jihadi in front of me " would be guaranteed to get lot's of views and all important subscribers
It would be a short wait to get monetised and then she is quids in.
Brands like Shein and PLT would probably want to be on board once she is established.
The interest would be massive and there is no reason why her vlogs can't be as interesting as many other vloggers..
Titles like "shantymarket try on haul" "Ordering the same food as the jihadi in front of me " would be guaranteed to get lot's of views and all important subscribers
It would be a short wait to get monetised and then she is quids in.
Brands like Shein and PLT would probably want to be on board once she is established.
F1GTRUeno said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Tom Logan said:
gazza285 said:
F1GTRUeno said:
We clearly didn’t create conditions that allowed people any sort of purpose, any belonging, any upward mobility, etc to make her want to be British.
We obviously did, or else why would she want to return?
t job with her. Human beings are complicated creatures but sometimes we’re simple too. We all need some love in our lives. I suspect a big part of leaving was to find someone that loved her and reinforced her beliefs, hence she was an ISIS bride. What if at 15 with hormones running wild she saw no hope of finding someone here and felt no attachment to her parents and thus radicalising became easier?
If you don’t want to understand how radicalising works then it’ll never stop will it?
Doesn’t make her any less abhorrent in the cold light of day but she’s not a comic book supervillain and even then, they have a backstory that usually explains why they are who/what they are.
AJL308 said:
jamoor said:
PRTVR said:
Thats a good idea , if you leave your country for terrorism you forgo your right to citizenship, it should be an international law.
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