Ethiopian plane crash
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Triumph Trollomite said:
For every 4 Indian we had to employ a european to QA as the Indians would just do what the f
k they wanted / interpreted you wanted
Had same experience outsourcing various back office / accounting processesk they wanted / interpreted you wantedneeded loads of HQ supervision / always an excuse for delays and failure / total s
t showeventually pulled the work back to London
Eric Mc said:
That is all very true. But what I am trying to get at is the mind set and culture that allowed the adoption this position. Boeing have been building airliners since the 1920s and jet airliners since the mid 1950s. I don't recall any of their designs that were conceived with such reckless abandon as this once seems to have been.
Didn't the culture change post merger with McD? and change of exec team? and hq move to Chicago?The biggest issue I've found as an engineer is when designers put object A into position B on their lovely CAD program and it fits perfectly, only in real life there still cables, wires, pipes etc in the surrounding area which somehow don't get included in the designers lovely drawing and end up prevent object A fitting into position B without removing (or disconnecting) object C or pipes/wiring runs to make space necessary for object A to actually be physically removed.
That happens far more often then you'd imagine is possible but of the 7 different aircraft types I've worked over 25 years, all have had exactly the same kind of generic problems.
That happens far more often then you'd imagine is possible but of the 7 different aircraft types I've worked over 25 years, all have had exactly the same kind of generic problems.
alfaman said:
Eric Mc said:
That is all very true. But what I am trying to get at is the mind set and culture that allowed the adoption this position. Boeing have been building airliners since the 1920s and jet airliners since the mid 1950s. I don't recall any of their designs that were conceived with such reckless abandon as this once seems to have been.
Didn't the culture change post merger with McD? and change of exec team? and hq move to Chicago?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-51089287
No severance for Calhoun, though he is still set to walk away from the dumpster fire with $62m in his back pocket.
He might have gotten a £7m bonus if they got the Max airborne again.
I know the top man gets the top pay, but I do find these a little distasteful. £7m bonus for fixing a problem that shouldn't have occured in the first place if he and the executive team were doing their jobs right. And walking away with lottery money after losing the company $9bn (and counting) and having two plane loads of people, needlessly killed on your watch because profits > safety.
Nice work pal.
No severance for Calhoun, though he is still set to walk away from the dumpster fire with $62m in his back pocket.
He might have gotten a £7m bonus if they got the Max airborne again.
I know the top man gets the top pay, but I do find these a little distasteful. £7m bonus for fixing a problem that shouldn't have occured in the first place if he and the executive team were doing their jobs right. And walking away with lottery money after losing the company $9bn (and counting) and having two plane loads of people, needlessly killed on your watch because profits > safety.
Nice work pal.
MartG said:
As discussed here https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/...
Thanks for that. I hadn't known the details but it certainly backs up what had been a theory of mine.How to ruin a great name in aviation.
Trevatanus said:
Says a lot without saying anything. Could a mosquito be FOD? Even my lawn mower has a fuel filter.eldar said:
Trevatanus said:
Says a lot without saying anything. Could a mosquito be FOD? Even my lawn mower has a fuel filter.jshell said:
eldar said:
Trevatanus said:
Says a lot without saying anything. Could a mosquito be FOD? Even my lawn mower has a fuel filter.Not just the max
There is something rotten in that company
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/02/26...
ORLANDO, Fla. – Prior to launching its astronaut spacecraft on its first flight, Boeing didn’t conduct a testing procedure that might have caught the problems that arose during that first mission, a former NASA safety panel member told the Orlando Sentinel.
Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner launched from Cape Canaveral in December without astronauts on board. The spacecraft was bound for the International Space Station to test its launch, docking and landing systems but the spacecraft was forced to return to Earth 48 hours after launch when it missed a maneuver to catch up to the space station.
earlier this month, saying three main issues were discovered, including two software errors and an intermittent space-to-ground communication delay that made it hard for spaceflight controllers to send commands and control the spacecraft.
According to the Sentinel’s source, Christopher Saindon, a former member of NASA’s safety advisory panel, Boeing did not perform a full, end-to-end integrated test of Starliner. Saindon said that test, which simulates every move of the mission, could have possibly caught some of the issues ahead of the ill-fated spaceflight.
“That was somewhat surprising to us on the panel,” Saindon told the Sentinel. “There were certainly gaps in the test protocol.”
There is something rotten in that company
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/02/26...
ORLANDO, Fla. – Prior to launching its astronaut spacecraft on its first flight, Boeing didn’t conduct a testing procedure that might have caught the problems that arose during that first mission, a former NASA safety panel member told the Orlando Sentinel.
Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner launched from Cape Canaveral in December without astronauts on board. The spacecraft was bound for the International Space Station to test its launch, docking and landing systems but the spacecraft was forced to return to Earth 48 hours after launch when it missed a maneuver to catch up to the space station.
earlier this month, saying three main issues were discovered, including two software errors and an intermittent space-to-ground communication delay that made it hard for spaceflight controllers to send commands and control the spacecraft.
According to the Sentinel’s source, Christopher Saindon, a former member of NASA’s safety advisory panel, Boeing did not perform a full, end-to-end integrated test of Starliner. Saindon said that test, which simulates every move of the mission, could have possibly caught some of the issues ahead of the ill-fated spaceflight.
“That was somewhat surprising to us on the panel,” Saindon told the Sentinel. “There were certainly gaps in the test protocol.”
MartG said:
With many airlines likely to go bankrupt in the coming weeks/months due to the effects of the coronavirus on air travel, will Boeing ever manage to sell all those 737Maxes they have stored 
I think they are all sold. I'm sure the US government will find a way. Edited by Europa1 on Tuesday 17th March 18:48
Europa1 said:
MartG said:
With many airlines likely to go bankrupt in the coming weeks/months due to the effects of the coronavirus on air travel, will Boeing ever manage to sell all those 737Maxes they have stored
I think they are all sold. I'm sure the US government will find a way. Edited by Europa1 on Tuesday 17th March 18:48
MartG said:
With many airlines likely to go bankrupt in the coming weeks/months due to the effects of the coronavirus on air travel, will Boeing ever manage to sell all those 737Maxes they have stored
I think they are all already sold/leased, or can the owners hand them back like a faulty motor?There is a really good youtube channel with updates on all things plane related, including the 737maxes, Juan Brown, he is a 777 pilot but makes interesting short you tube videos....
https://youtu.be/6fkCWPq9dNM
MartG said:
They may be sold but won't be paid for until they are delivered to the customer, and the customer has accepted them following acceptance tests. If the customer no longer exists by then, Boeing don't get paid ( unless the sale is insured against such an eventuality )
Exactly and also deferment on the order can be done as well that might then be cancelled.Boeing still had a huge albatross hanging around it's neck, now it has two, one which is sick with the flu.
It took a $12b debt on board the other day. It might have to take more. Ironically if airlines go bust then they will not be asking for recompense.
Boeing is f
ked. Airbus shares,,,,, hmmm, looking cheap, Might go from duopoly to mono.Worth watching....
I could list all the issues Boeing has, it is not just the 737, it is the 777 -x and the USAF tanker as well,
Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 17th March 20:54
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