Mass shooting in NZ mosque
Discussion
Digga said:
Burwood said:
If you visit a place of religious significance, it is courteous to (at least try to) follow customs and traditions. When me and Mrs Digga went to the wedding of Sikh friends, we didn;t kick off awkward about being segregated in the temple during the service, or having to cover our heads. Similarly, when we visited the Sultan Qaboos Grand Mosque (incredible building, well worth a visit BTW) we didn't find it unreasonable that we had to have arms, legs and head covered up, rather than trog in there in shorts and T-Shirt.
Burwood said:
I get that. Their place of worship, their rules. same when you enter a Synagogue. This isn't a place of worship, neither was the Prime Minister in such a place but wore a Hijab. If they were consistent in showing the same tolerance it would be fine and dandy but they don't. I'm pondering how I feel about it.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it. Maybe show a bit of empathy for the people who were killed. Alpinestars said:
Burwood said:
I get that. Their place of worship, their rules. same when you enter a Synagogue. This isn't a place of worship, neither was the Prime Minister in such a place but wore a Hijab. If they were consistent in showing the same tolerance it would be fine and dandy but they don't. I'm pondering how I feel about it.
It really doesn’t matter how you feel about it. Maybe show a bit of empathy for the people who were killed. Burwood said:
I get that. Their place of worship, their rules. same when you enter a Synagogue. This isn't a place of worship, neither was the Prime Minister in such a place but wore a Hijab. If they were consistent in showing the same tolerance it would be fine and dandy but they don't. I'm pondering how I feel about it.
She's called Michelle Evans. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_i...
desolate said:
In what way have the NZ police been inconsistent in this?
There is really nothing to compare with because we've never had something like happen before.In my experience no other tragedies or crises in NZ have had a governmental response of anything like that nature so I can see where people are coming from when they say that, but...
...no other crises have ever been so directly and violently aimed at a particular group of people either, and it has brought to light reports of more casual racism lurking beneath the surface of many communities than most people realised or admitted - so a lot of this action is pointedly trying to counter that. I can understand the reasoning, and I hope we never have to find out whether they would show the same support for Jews, Christians, or any other group in a similar situation.
There is a downside associated with it too though, because some of it does seem to be unbalanced or taken too far - ie media articles on the verge of saying that Muslims are better than everyone else, or suppressing any reporting of Islamic terrorism (and removing older articles about a Kiwi Muslim who was radicalised after attending the mosque that was attacked) for fear of stirring up anti-Muslim sentiment. There is a risk it could have the opposite of the intended effect because many Kiwis are very independent and don't like being manipulated or told what they should think - the result may depend how long it continues for.
At the extremes of risk I expect those who think along the same lines as the terrorist will only see it as oppression of their views and fuel for the fire, while I've read that some Islamic extremists (I understand IS have already threatened retaliation for the attack) may consider it insincere and an insult to their faith to see an unwed mother in a position of leadership over men appropriating Muslim religious imagery.
Its never simple!
In some ways it was better before the govt and media joined that bandwagon, masses of regular people were already showing so much honest care and support of their own accord to those suffering without any appearance of virtue-signalling or political point-scoring.
PorkRind said:
So. Back to the religion reason for this atrocity. If there were no religion.. We didn't view race as a problem either, what would be the next group that was attacked?
The poor?
The uneducated?
The high population families?..
The reason I ask is because people always say that if it wasn't religion there would always be a reason to cull people? Tribes died what x 5 to 800 osd years ago.
And what's your reason or proof for your answer.
1. Anyone you have a grudge against.The poor?
The uneducated?
The high population families?..
The reason I ask is because people always say that if it wasn't religion there would always be a reason to cull people? Tribes died what x 5 to 800 osd years ago.
And what's your reason or proof for your answer.
You can use this for all the shootings between family members, the next door neighbour, the boss that sacked you, your high school coz you got banned ... and that's just people you have met and take affront at !
That actually makes more people dead than people doing it for other reasons against people they have never met.
PorkRind said:
So. Back to the religion reason for this atrocity. If there were no religion.. We didn't view race as a problem either, what would be the next group that was attacked?
The poor?
The uneducated?
The high population families?..
The reason I ask is because people always say that if it wasn't religion there would always be a reason to cull people? Tribes died what x 5 to 800 osd years ago.
And what's your reason or proof for your answer.
You want reasoned proof for fairy tale scenarios? The poor?
The uneducated?
The high population families?..
The reason I ask is because people always say that if it wasn't religion there would always be a reason to cull people? Tribes died what x 5 to 800 osd years ago.
And what's your reason or proof for your answer.
Lord.Vader said:
At least they are, rightly or wrongly, doing more than sending their hopes and prayers.
Knee jerk reaction that they believe is right.
From what i read on Sky my understanding is the firearms affected, out of a total of over 1million, amount to less than 20,000?
When people saying a knee jerk reaction all they are saying is that something is done they do not agree with. The people who agree with it just say "well about bloody time "Knee jerk reaction that they believe is right.
From what i read on Sky my understanding is the firearms affected, out of a total of over 1million, amount to less than 20,000?
Perhaps there should have been more of a knee jerk reaction after Hungerford and we had to wait till Dunblane to get one. Worlds slowest knee jerk reaction, but at least it happened.
It seems to work well, now we have a knife epidemic rather than an AR15 epidemic.... ( semi joke)
Lord.Vader said:
From what i read on Sky my understanding is the firearms affected, out of a total of over 1million, amount to less than 20,000?
Poor reporting I'm afraid. There are currently around 15,000 MSSA category firearms registered, which is what they were probably referring to - however the govt have just recategorised many other semi-automatics as well that were previously not in that category, and they really only have the vaguest idea how many there are because until today they weren't restricted firearms. Estimates from the firearms community and shooting organisations are that the number will be into the hundreds of thousands.I went on Breibart to read what the vox pop was on this over there, it did not surprise me.
1. The PM is an emotional woman and women should not be in politics.
2. They are less safe now.
This from a country giving advice with 5x the murder rate and the most emotional male President ever
Gave me a belly laugh anyhow.
1. The PM is an emotional woman and women should not be in politics.
2. They are less safe now.
This from a country giving advice with 5x the murder rate and the most emotional male President ever
Gave me a belly laugh anyhow.
Gandahar said:
I went on Breibart to read what the vox pop was on this over there, it did not surprise me.
1. The PM is an emotional woman and women should not be in politics.
2. They are less safe now.
This from a country giving advice with 5x the murder rate and the most emotional male President ever
Gave me a belly laugh anyhow.
C'mon, be fair, there was one whole week since 2013 that a mass shooting* didn't happen, that's got to mean something, right...?1. The PM is an emotional woman and women should not be in politics.
2. They are less safe now.
This from a country giving advice with 5x the murder rate and the most emotional male President ever
Gave me a belly laugh anyhow.
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