Mass shooting in NZ mosque

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Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Burwood said:
Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile
Pork Sword’s God is a God of convenience and justification.

Very much like that of those who twist Islam and other religions to justify or salve an agenda.

The lunatic who perpetrated the dreadful act in NZ yesterday no doubt saw himself as having a God too and would describe himself as a Christian.

Religion really is the broadest of churches.
Has the Nz murderer referenced religion? I thought he was more far right white supremacy type. Too much news, not enough detail
I might be wrong but I thought I had read he used various prose relating to the Crusades etc
Right, I read that. He also said he’s poor, working class and this is payback. I’ll add thick to that list so it’s unclear if he’s a religious loon
We’re speculating and I doubt he’s a highly religious man but I’m guessing from some of what has been reported he’s happy to draw upon aspects of religion to support or assuage certain thoughts and actions.

ReaperCushions

3,531 posts

123 months

Friday 15th March
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youngsyr said:
simoid said:
Europa1 said:
A few posters have said they were sent a link to the video. I cannot understand the mentality of people who would send it. "I've just watched a video of a massacre of innocent people; I know, I'll send it to my mate..."
I suppose a lot of folk are desensitised by games and films so are able to watch. If you’re in 10 group chats, chances are probably one of them might send it on. I did think about watching it but I don’t want to add to the view count as it could be seen as support, and I don’t really want to have the visuals even though I can well imagine what they look like.
You can't.

A lot of it has to be seen (and heard) to be believed.

I'll describe in fairly innocuous words in the spoiler below one particularly harrowing part; I genuinely doubt that anyone who hasn't seen something similar with their own eyes can imagine the impact of seeing it and hearing it.

I would argue, as I did earlier, that adults need to see events like this to experience their full emotional impact. Without seeing it for yourself, it is too easy to dismiss it and not think about it. I suspect many (but obviously not all) Americans who are in favour of private gun ownership would reconsider if they saw this video, or a close up one of the Las Vegas shootings, for instance.

Don't read this if you don't want to know exactly what happened in a part of the video.

After shooting everyone he could find inside the mosque, the gunman leaves the mosque by the front door looking for more victims. As he exits the front door of the mosque, you can see a small figure dressed in black, about 30 metres away, running away from the mosque towards the low wall between the mosque car park and the pavement. The gunman raises his semi automatic rifle and fires several rounds at her. We can't see whether he hit or missed as the camera is shakey.

The gunman then walks calmly to the pavement outside the mosque and looks in the direction of the person he previously shot at. He raises his rifle and fires another burst. We cannot see his target yet. The gunman then walks calmly on the pavement towards where he was shooting.

After a second or two you start to hear a woman screaming "Help me! Help me! Help me!". Her voice gets louder as the gunman walks on and eventually the person in black from the mosque comes into view, lying face down sprawled in the gutter, obviously in pain and unable to get up. The gunman had clearly hit her with his previous volley.

She continues to scream "Help me! Help me!" as the gunman slowly approaches her. When he gets to about 10 feet away he fires two shots that we see hit her in the head. Her screaming stops.


Now that is some of the most graphic description I've ever written or read on the internet and even that doesn't convey even a part of the horror of actually seeing and hearing it on the video.
That is truely horrendous.

Burwood

11,387 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Brooking10 said:
Burwood said:
Your God hasn’t helped much has ‘he’. Millions of prayers daily, and still smile
Pork Sword’s God is a God of convenience and justification.

Very much like that of those who twist Islam and other religions to justify or salve an agenda.

The lunatic who perpetrated the dreadful act in NZ yesterday no doubt saw himself as having a God too and would describe himself as a Christian.

Religion really is the broadest of churches.
Has the Nz murderer referenced religion? I thought he was more far right white supremacy type. Too much news, not enough detail
I might be wrong but I thought I had read he used various prose relating to the Crusades etc
Right, I read that. He also said he’s poor, working class and this is payback. I’ll add thick to that list so it’s unclear if he’s a religious loon
We’re speculating and I doubt he’s a highly religious man but I’m guessing from some of what has been reported he’s happy to draw upon aspects of religion to support or assuage certain thoughts and actions.
Found this. https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/3/15/18267163/...

It’s insight into his ramblings. And I fear certain groups would love to label him a Christian when it looks like he’s a white supremacy advocate

scenario8

5,207 posts

118 months

Friday 15th March
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GOATever said:
The trouble comes when humans ( try ) to interpret the ( insert mythical sky fairy’s ) will. Human nature is such, that they will find something in their ( insert mythical sky fairy’s ) canon, which justifies their actions. If I was the ( insert mythical sky fairy ) I’d be getting my arse down here to sort it out, before there’s nothing left to sort out.
The guff I’m lectured with too commonly from the Roman variety of Christian prayer leaders is that the one thing (their) God cannot do is remove the will of Man (to act in heinous ways). It’s sub GCSE level horseplop but they get away with it at a local level. No doubt the higher you go within the administration the more academic the horseplop becomes. I’ve no idea how one of my best friends stuck with Theology and got herself a first. The utter garbage she had to sift through. She lost her Catholic faith doing it. Well, let it lapse to “what’s the point?” levels anyway.

I attend church to support my wife, by the way. She thinks almost every word is BS too but she’s Irish and kinda can’t help herself. She knows the Church is a horrid invention, disagrees with almost everything she’s lectured on and simply wants everyone to be nice and for there to be some sort of overall point to life. Which seems harmless enough.

Edited to add that a great many people I’ve met through the Catholic and other Christian churches.are genuinely nice, genuine and loving people who do a lot of Good things in their lives. I respect them for their acts. Which is one reason why I take issue with a very dubious claim by a most unlikely character within this thread to all of a sudden reveal himself to be Christian. I hope to his God my strong suspicion of BS is indeed misplaced.

So strike him down.

Edited by scenario8 on Friday 15th March 21:58

youngsyr

11,066 posts

131 months

Friday 15th March
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ReaperCushions said:
That is truely horrendous.
As I said, even that description doesn't do the full horror justice.

The images and sounds of those events will be with me for a long time.
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Digby

6,866 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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Never really thought I could watch such a video and then close it and decide what to have for dinner. I guess that's what comes from being surrounded by news and images of death and destruction from pretty much the moment I was born. We were even taught about it. Hey kids, here's a video of a bomb being dropped on Japan.....

I suppose in one way, being desensitised to such things takes away some of the glory that this tt demanded.

I think Carl said it best:

"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.”

I really wish these tossers would stop messing up our pale, blue, dot.

GOATever

638 posts

6 months

Friday 15th March
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scenario8 said:
The guff I’m lectured with too commonly from the Roman variety of Christian prayer leaders is that the one thing (their) God cannot do is remove the will of Man (to act in heinous ways). It’s sub GCSE level horseplop but they get away with it at a local level. No doubt the higher you go within the administration the more academic the horseplop becomes. I’ve no idea how one of my best friends stuck with Theology and got herself a first. The utter garbage she had to sift through. She lost her Catholic faith doing it. Well, let it lapse to “what’s the point?” levels anyway.

I attend church to support my wife, by the way. She thinks almost every word is BS too but she’s Irish and kinda can’t help herself. She knows the Church is a horrid invention, disagrees with almost everything she’s lectured on and simply wants everyone to be nice and for there to be some sort of overall point to life. Which seems harmless enough.
One of the religions ( it might be Mormon, I forget ) has it that the ‘war in heaven’ was started because of a disagreement between the chief sky fairy, and his number 2 ( Satan ) about whether or not to grant humans free will. Others have it that it ( the war in heaven ) started, because Satan refused to accept that God was the big billy bks in heaven, and refused to bow to him. Other religions have other interpretations, and this is why I take it about as seriously as Star Wars and Harry Potter.

Burwood

11,387 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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youngsyr said:
ReaperCushions said:
That is truely horrendous.
As I said, even that description doesn't do the full horror justice.

The images and sounds of those events will be with me for a long time.
Why watch it? Of course it’s horrendous.

Mothersruin

6,859 posts

38 months

Friday 15th March
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There's a fair few of us that have travelled to the World's aholes and have either had to survive it, or actually been there to make it a better place for the locals, because they're either useless, or just don't know how to make it better.

This latest thing? I'm bored with it - it's just another tedious example of humans being s to other humans because they're s, or at least perceived to be s.

The older I get, the more I like the idea if Amazon, Ocado and even DP fking D. I can get everything delivered to my house without having to speak to a single tt.

The irony of me being in a Mountain Rescue Team is not lost on me, but that's my schnizz. Still trying to work it out. fking hate people but get out of bed at 2am in the sttiest of conditions to go save them at my pleasure. The s.

It's so fking boring.

scenario8

5,207 posts

118 months

Friday 15th March
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Mothersruin said:
There's a fair few of us that have travelled to the World's aholes and have either had to survive it, or actually been there to make it a better place for the locals, because they're either useless, or just don't know how to make it better.

This latest thing? I'm bored with it - it's just another tedious example of humans being s to other humans because they're s, or at least perceived to be s.

The older I get, the more I like the idea if Amazon, Ocado and even DP fking D. I can get everything delivered to my house without having to speak to a single tt.

The irony of me being in a Mountain Rescue Team is not lost on me, but that's my schnizz. Still trying to work it out. fking hate people but get out of bed at 2am in the sttiest of conditions to go save them at my pleasure. The s.

It's so fking boring.
Sorry, what?

FWIW the World is full of nice people. Engage us.

johnxjsc1985

15,207 posts

103 months

Friday 15th March
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scenario8 said:
Sorry, what?

FWIW the World is full of nice people. Engage us.
not even going to qualify it by putting a number on it but the vast majority of people in this world are decent people.
We should always remember this.

Eric Mc

105,406 posts

204 months

Friday 15th March
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I'd even suggest that the vast bulk of people who post on PH are decent people. Just look at the responses to the thread in The Lounge about my late wife.

It's quite heartening - and helps counter posts like that one above.

limpsfield

4,817 posts

192 months

Friday 15th March
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I don’t know why some of you engage with the obvious idiots that post on NPE.

I think the Internet has given a whole range of social outcasts a voice. And a place where they can group together and indulge in some mutual masturbation fest about how they are right and everyone else is wrong. Unfortunately I don’t think this is going to change - we will see more of this.

This ahole today has live streamed what he did for the approval of his fellow internet losers. What a coward.


limpsfield

4,817 posts

192 months

Friday 15th March
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Mothersruin said:
The irony of me being in a Mountain Rescue Team is not lost on me, but that's my schnizz. Still trying to work it out. fking hate people but get out of bed at 2am in the sttiest of conditions to go save them at my pleasure.
Thank you for your service Yellowjack

Burwood

11,387 posts

185 months

Friday 15th March
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Eric Mc said:
I'd even suggest that the vast bulk of people who post on PH are decent people. Just look at the responses to the thread in The Lounge about my late wife.

It's quite heartening - and helps counter posts like that one above.
Very sorry to hear that, Eric. Condolences to you smile

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Mothersruin said:
There's a fair few of us that have travelled to the World's aholes and have either had to survive it, or actually been there to make it a better place for the locals, because they're either useless, or just don't know how to make it better.

This latest thing? I'm bored with it - it's just another tedious example of humans being s to other humans because they're s, or at least perceived to be s.

The older I get, the more I like the idea if Amazon, Ocado and even DP fking D. I can get everything delivered to my house without having to speak to a single tt.

The irony of me being in a Mountain Rescue Team is not lost on me, but that's my schnizz. Still trying to work it out. fking hate people but get out of bed at 2am in the sttiest of conditions to go save them at my pleasure. The s.

It's so fking boring.
Embodying the username tonight then ?

OpulentBob

10,506 posts

119 months

Friday 15th March
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This thread will be gone by the morning.

Colonial

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13,552 posts

144 months

Friday 15th March
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Eric Mc said:
I'd even suggest that the vast bulk of people who post on PH are decent people. Just look at the responses to the thread in The Lounge about my late wife.

It's quite heartening - and helps counter posts like that one above.
I'm really sorry to hear that Eric.

My condolences.

Brooking10

4,273 posts

80 months

Friday 15th March
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Eric Mc said:
I'd even suggest that the vast bulk of people who post on PH are decent people. Just look at the responses to the thread in The Lounge about my late wife.

It's quite heartening - and helps counter posts like that one above.
Eric,

I just looked that thread up, as trite as it may sound I hope that gave you some tiny sense of comfort.

Condolences to you and yours.

Eric Mc

105,406 posts

204 months

Friday 15th March
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Brooking10 said:
Eric,

I just looked that thread up, as trite as it may sound I hope that gave you some tiny sense of comfort.
It certainly did.