Mass shooting in NZ mosque

[scenario8]

Vaud said:

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-16/australian-sen...

Far-right Australian senator punches protester

What a misguided act by the teenager.

Australian politics, to those underexposed to it, is even less edifying a spectacle than it is in the UK. On the whole it’s pretty horrid.

[anonymous-user]

PorkRind said:

AW111 said:

PorkRind said:

selym said:

What a fking belter. tt.

Hea got a point though, if you bother to read the Koran. You don't get the kind of lines in corinthians as you do the Koran.

A white supremacist kills 49 Muslims, and you choose this thread to criticise Islam?

What next - blame the victims?

It's never a good time to criticise It Though is it?

That’s cobblers.

People criticise those who twist and misappropriate Islam widely and often.

Why shouldn’t or indeed wouldn’t they ?

Again, context is key.

[djc206]

scenario8 said:

What a misguided act by the teenager.

Australian politics, to those underexposed to it, is even less edifying a spectacle than it is in the UK. On the whole it’s pretty horrid.

We were there for 5 weeks earlier in the year and the Australia First party I think it is were advertising on TV all the time, utter utter scum. Made Nick Griffin look like a moderate.

[Penelope Stopit]

ReaperCushions said:

That is truely horrendous.

Yes I find it truly horrendous without the need to watch it happen
I won't be clicking a "Spoiler" to read an in depth account of how a person/people died

[Penelope Stopit]

Burwood said:

youngsyr said:

ReaperCushions said:

That is truely horrendous.

As I said, even that description doesn't do the full horror justice.

The images and sounds of those events will be with me for a long time.

Why watch it? Of course it’s horrendous.

Like many others, the poster needed to watch it, it's the need to watch it that I find scary and not one posters attempt at justifying the need to watch it has altered my thoughts
There are some sick people here

[e46m3Mark]

Is it a good view from up there?

[vonuber]

It's no different to watching those ISIS videos to be honest.

[Penelope Stopit]

Guvernator said:

Europa1 said:

A few posters have said they were sent a link to the video. I cannot understand the mentality of people who would send it. "I've just watched a video of a massacre of innocent people; I know, I'll send it to my mate..."

I actually had a go at the two people who sent it to me. Send me a link to the news item if you want me to be aware of it but why help to spread this sickos video. What on earth would make them think I'd want to watch something like that? Have people become so inured to violence that they can watch this without feeling sick or think other people would want to see it?

I despair for humanity sometimes.

In the time I have been a poster to PH I have never experienced anything close to this. People posting that they have watched the video and then attempting to justify their actions, I don't wish harm to any of these people but do suggest that they seek help

[DurianIceCream]

durbster said:

Pesty said:

Would be great yeah, perhaps have a chat with these guys.

This was 11 days ago. Didn’t even make the news
Muslims murder 32 Christians in a church.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/radica...

It didn't make the news yet you link to a story from The Guardian?

First I've heard of the Nigerian massacre. Even if it was reported on some news sources, that received an tiny, tiny fraction of the coverage of Christchurch.

[warch]

I am quite interested by the media approach to this story. There seems to be an insistence in media circles and the way the story has been portrayed that this was basically an Australian attack on New Zealand citizens, with the subtext that Australia has a problem with racism but New Zealand is much more egalitarian. Most articles emphasise that the chief perpetrator was born in Australia for example.

Interestingly a New Zealand Government spokesperson speaking on Radio 4 was quick to refute this assertion, but it seems to persist. Someone I know at work seems to believe that New Zealand is somehow the perfect society, which I think is a bit naïve.

[DurianIceCream]

Burwood said:

Seems slack. And the PM is changing the law immediately

What are New Zealand's gun laws?
The minimum legal age to own a gun in New Zealand is 16, or 18 for military-style semi-automatic weapons
All gun owners must have a licence, but most individual weapons do not have to be registered - New Zealand is one of the few countries where this is the case
Applicants for a firearm licence must pass a background check of criminal and medical records, including factors such as mental health and domestic violence
Once a licence has been issued, gun owners can buy as many weapons as they want

^ That doesn't seem unreasonable. Most western countries you can buy as many guns as you want once you have a licence (the UK is an exception in that you can only buy specific types and numbers rifles which you are licenced for, though there is no limit to the number of shotguns you can buy). The non-registration of some types of guns is a bit unusual, but even Canada does it that way too. The semi-autos which he has would have been registered.

This isn't a failure of firearms laws. It's a failure of somebody who seems have to have been posting nutter comments online for quite a while to go unnoticed, not be watched and still have a firearms licence. It's no more a fault of gun laws than people driving Iveco trucks around into crowds is a fault of heavy vehicle licensing laws.

[andy_s]

DurianIceCream said:

durbster said:

Pesty said:

Would be great yeah, perhaps have a chat with these guys.

This was 11 days ago. Didn’t even make the news
Muslims murder 32 Christians in a church.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/radica...

It didn't make the news yet you link to a story from The Guardian?

First I've heard of the Nigerian massacre. Even if it was reported on some news sources, that received an tiny, tiny fraction of the coverage of Christchurch.

Of course it's not going to make huge news here - relevance, persistence, fatigue and priority - and in the final analysis - would it increase circulation to explore every daily tragedy [of which there are plenty] in such detail as this one...?

[anonymous-user]

DurianIceCream said:

durbster said:

Pesty said:

Would be great yeah, perhaps have a chat with these guys.

This was 11 days ago. Didn’t even make the news
Muslims murder 32 Christians in a church.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/radica...

It didn't make the news yet you link to a story from The Guardian?

First I've heard of the Nigerian massacre. Even if it was reported on some news sources, that received an tiny, tiny fraction of the coverage of Christchurch.

I am genuinely surprised that people who follow an NPE forum were not aware of an ongoing religiously motivated civil conflict in Nigeria.

The reasons as to why this specific incident attracted proportionately less coverage than NZ are thoughfulky documented in the post from Andy_S above.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 16th March 10:25

[andy_s]

DurianIceCream said:

Burwood said:

Seems slack. And the PM is changing the law immediately

What are New Zealand's gun laws?
The minimum legal age to own a gun in New Zealand is 16, or 18 for military-style semi-automatic weapons
All gun owners must have a licence, but most individual weapons do not have to be registered - New Zealand is one of the few countries where this is the case
Applicants for a firearm licence must pass a background check of criminal and medical records, including factors such as mental health and domestic violence
Once a licence has been issued, gun owners can buy as many weapons as they want

^ That doesn't seem unreasonable. Most western countries you can buy as many guns as you want once you have a licence (the UK is an exception in that you can only buy specific types and numbers rifles which you are licenced for, though there is no limit to the number of shotguns you can buy). The non-registration of some types of guns is a bit unusual, but even Canada does it that way too. The semi-autos which he has would have been registered.

This isn't a failure of firearms laws. It's a failure of somebody who seems have to have been posting nutter comments online for quite a while to go unnoticed, not be watched and still have a firearms licence. It's no more a fault of gun laws than people driving Iveco trucks around into crowds is a fault of heavy vehicle licensing laws.

I've obviously skipped past it in the news but what was the status of the weapons - I'd assumed they were illegally acquired/supplied, but this seems to suggest they were legally held...?

[steve_k]

DurianIceCream said:

durbster said:

Pesty said:

Would be great yeah, perhaps have a chat with these guys.

This was 11 days ago. Didn’t even make the news
Muslims murder 32 Christians in a church.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/radica...

It didn't make the news yet you link to a story from The Guardian?

First I've heard of the Nigerian massacre. Even if it was reported on some news sources, that received an tiny, tiny fraction of the coverage of Christchurch.

A lot of these sort of horrific attacks are happening is not reported in main steam media.

The numbers getting murdered by these sort of animals are shocking.

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attac...

[anonymous-user]

DurianIceCream said:

This isn't a failure of firearms laws. It's a failure of somebody who seems have to have been posting nutter comments online for quite a while to go unnoticed, not be watched and still have a firearms licence. It's no more a fault of gun laws than people driving Iveco trucks around into crowds is a fault of heavy vehicle licensing laws.

If you prohibit the weapons he used then he becomes a criminal for possessing them / their availability is reduced. The attempted acquisition and possession then becomes much riskier.

It may be the case he practiced with them to be as effective somewhere like a range etc. Again, that becomes a ‘no no’ if they’re prohibited.

Had the availability been limited to the weapons he could have realistically acquired in the UK, I think it’d be say there’d have been a fraction of the deaths.

[Cerdo Espada]

steve_k said:

DurianIceCream said:

durbster said:

Pesty said:

Would be great yeah, perhaps have a chat with these guys.

This was 11 days ago. Didn’t even make the news
Muslims murder 32 Christians in a church.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/radica...

It didn't make the news yet you link to a story from The Guardian?

First I've heard of the Nigerian massacre. Even if it was reported on some news sources, that received an tiny, tiny fraction of the coverage of Christchurch.

A lot of these sort of horrific attacks are happening is not reported in main steam media.

The numbers getting murdered by these sort of animals are shocking.

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attac...

CBN News reported last year that hundreds of Christians were killed in clashes with the Muslim herdsman.

Last June, Fulani herdsmen, who are mostly Muslim attacked six predominantly Christian villages in Nigeria's Plateau state. Many of those killed were Christians, and they were reportedly hacked to death.

According to the Global Terrorism Index, Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 60,000 people since 2001.

60.000 !

[anonymous-user]

e46m3Mark said:

Is it a good view from up there?

Yeah anyone who says it’s sick to watch videos of people being murdered is being a bit judgmental.

Perfectly normal to seek out videos of people being slaughtered and post about how graphic it was with graphic descriptions just so everyone knows.

[Roofless Toothless]

Roofless Toothless said:

Can anybody explain to me why somebody would want to watch this video?

Back on page 12 I asked this simple question. It seems to have influenced much of the thread discussion from then on. I note that subsequently the media have turned their attention to the spread of the video.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47593536

I tried (as I always do) not to insult anybody here, and make it simply a request for the information that was eluding me. Some of the responses have made me think about it in a different way, but as usual, as the invective increases so does my capacity to learn anything useful.

I think especially of the post that likened watching the video to the gruesome pictures on cigarette packets now, and perhaps there was a good point made there, although there are degrees of difference in the circumstances.

Myself, I cannot watch many modern films for the explicit reconstruction of gore and violence that is all too common. The thought of a bunch of Hollywood executives sitting round a table over a couple of margaritas planning ways to depict exploding heads and flying limbs appals me, and watching the result just involves me in the pornography of violence that they are peddling. For me, Humphrey Bogart simply clutching his stomach and keeling over gently is all I want to see.

Perhaps it is my age. I wonder how many of the posters making excuses for watching this video are significantly younger than me. Are younger people desensitised by modern cinema and video games?

At the end of the day, I suppose none of us are right or wrong on this, and we all see the world from our own perspective. There are arguments pro and contra.

[macushla]

Cerdo Espada said:

Amen to that. Anything to divert from the real issues as usual from this bunch. Insults have been lobbed my way ever since I posted sincerely that I would pray for the innocent victims of this massacre, which I did earlier today at the village church along with a handful of local parishioners. I've been called a religious nutter...and more seriously, had the actual existence of my own faith called a lie. Here on a public forum by one particular individual. Thats religious harassment in my book. I wouldn't put up with it from any of my staff and I think PH mods need to start banning posters like Macushla whose comment of

"You’re not a practising Christian, I doubt you’ve seen the inside of a church sinc your schooldays. Your posts on this topic and others are clear in what they really mean." I found genuinely offensive. (He has edited some of the original content).

All I posted to receive this abuse was

"As a Christian, I will pray for the victims of this terrible and horrifying tragedy".

But as usual the gagging orders will be dished out to those that dare question Radical Islam/ Immigration Policy/ Knife Crime etc etc

I’d suggest that the real issue on the thread is that 50mpeople have been murdered by an extremist nutter, not that you don’t like me. Many are questioning your sudden religious announcement.

Maybe try to discuss the topic.

br d said:

I love it when the true colours show. That is how I have made my living all my life, presumably that would exempt me from having an opinion you superior little st.

It would if your opinion was to watch the video and laugh.