How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 9)
Discussion
Helicopter123 said:
Remain fanatic says vote again. What does Tony Blair say ?jonnyb said:
Crackie said:
Helicopter123 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Robertj21a said:
Why does it matter ?
Who cares if it was a million, two million or just 200,000 - it doesn't really matter. It was a big march, but mainly by Remainers who don't like the result of a democratic vote and will do anything to try to overturn it.
I wonder if they will also turn out to march for democracy if the Leave vote is not enacted ?
There won't be room will there? What with 17.4M people taking to the streets.Who cares if it was a million, two million or just 200,000 - it doesn't really matter. It was a big march, but mainly by Remainers who don't like the result of a democratic vote and will do anything to try to overturn it.
I wonder if they will also turn out to march for democracy if the Leave vote is not enacted ?
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We have a different electorate today due to demographics
Edited by Helicopter123 on Sunday 24th March 13:26
YouGov had remain 10 points ahead just before the referendum in 2016...……...the YouGov poll asking today's electorate, on the 19th March, gave remain a 9 point lead.
One, changing demographics. Although not pleasant to think about, is an issue. There’s certainly more than one member of my family who will not be voting again.
Second is the polling before the referendum. Given that every poll had a remain win I do wonder if a significant amount of remain voters stayed at home thinking it was a slam dunk anyway.
Cameron certainly misjudged the mood however his error has, inadvertently, shown Westminster the true level of discontent in most regions of the UK ; we have been living in, and are still living in, a divided rather than a United Kingdom.
It remains to be seen whether any political party, existing or new, will be sufficiently engaged to understand, and persuade, voters in the blue regions that their interests will be better represented in the future.
Westminster's historical neglect of the regions in blue is the real reason for Brexit.
jonnyb said:
That’s what people said about the last election and it turned out not to be true. The only party to try and fight on purely brexit grounds were the Lib Dem’s.
I’m not sure the vast majority of the population actually cares anymore.
And look where that got them .. the only party to stand on a remain manifestoI’m not sure the vast majority of the population actually cares anymore.
Both Labour and Tories stood on a Leave manifesto
Helicopter123 said:
Will that have less significance if Gary Lineker repeats the call at 20.25 pm?How about if Gabby Yorath then repeats the call at 21.14 pm?
When Patrick Stewart does repeats the call, I think it will be all over for Brexit.
I wonder what Richard would propose for the second in a generation Remain campaign, would it run along similar lines to the Remain campaign that failed in 2016?
Crackie said:
jonnyb said:
Crackie said:
Helicopter123 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Robertj21a said:
Why does it matter ?
Who cares if it was a million, two million or just 200,000 - it doesn't really matter. It was a big march, but mainly by Remainers who don't like the result of a democratic vote and will do anything to try to overturn it.
I wonder if they will also turn out to march for democracy if the Leave vote is not enacted ?
There won't be room will there? What with 17.4M people taking to the streets.Who cares if it was a million, two million or just 200,000 - it doesn't really matter. It was a big march, but mainly by Remainers who don't like the result of a democratic vote and will do anything to try to overturn it.
I wonder if they will also turn out to march for democracy if the Leave vote is not enacted ?
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We have a different electorate today due to demographics
Edited by Helicopter123 on Sunday 24th March 13:26
YouGov had remain 10 points ahead just before the referendum in 2016...……...the YouGov poll asking today's electorate, on the 19th March, gave remain a 9 point lead.
One, changing demographics. Although not pleasant to think about, is an issue. There’s certainly more than one member of my family who will not be voting again.
Second is the polling before the referendum. Given that every poll had a remain win I do wonder if a significant amount of remain voters stayed at home thinking it was a slam dunk anyway.
Cameron certainly misjudged the mood however his error has, inadvertently, shown Westminster the true level of discontent in most regions of the UK ; we have been living in, and are still living in, a divided rather than a United Kingdom.
It remains to be seen whether any political party, existing or new, will be sufficiently engaged to understand, and persuade, voters in the blue regions that their interests will be better represented in the future.
Westminster's historical neglect of the regions in blue is the real reason for Brexit.
I would agree with that.
Will brexit make Westminster sit up and take note of the regions? I’m not sure it will.
Piha said:
Am I mistaken or wasn't the agreement made with the approval of the interested parties - United Kingdom, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Ireland, rather than just some faceless EU fishing quango?
it was. trouble for me was it was the usual one size fits all approach.believe it or not but the med bass stocks are deemed to be healthier than those around the uk 
i live in scotland. the restrictions apply all the way up the east coast of the uk to rattray head. as far as i know commercial effort for bass stops at yorkshire and the closest bass survey to rattray head was in the thames estuary. the majority of east coast bass populations north of the border are concentrated around (the rapidly closing) power station outflows . the biggest impact is recreational anglers illegally taking huge quantities of juveniles to sell (this only occurs at torness now, the other power stations where it happened are now closed) yet that well known issue was never addressed even when it was reported numerous times. no wonder as there are only two inshore fisheries inspectors for the whole coast (or there were at the last consultation event i attended) and they had a huge work load.
bass now do seem to be appearing on more and more beaches on the east coast. i saw a picture of what i believe to be the most northerly lure caught double figure bass last year. it came from 50 miles north west of peterhead. no way that fish was spawning in the western approaches, even the eastern end of the channel would be a stretch, imo.
on the west coast of scotland again there is virtually zero commercial effort , but a much larger population of bass. i even know where bass fry can be found, suggesting spawning in the outer solway/irish sea. this region has never been surveyed yet the restrictions based upon data from the south coast apply here as well up to the south shore of loch ryan.
how can measures that result in tonnes of discards and anglers in areas not affected by the problems further south being banned from retaining fish be deemed appropriate ?
Earthdweller said:
jonnyb said:
That’s what people said about the last election and it turned out not to be true. The only party to try and fight on purely brexit grounds were the Lib Dem’s.
I’m not sure the vast majority of the population actually cares anymore.
And look where that got them .. the only party to stand on a remain manifesto.I’m not sure the vast majority of the population actually cares anymore.
Both Labour and Tories stood on a Leave manifesto
The average Joe doesn’t give a s
t.Nickgnome said:
Thanks. I understand there are Eu draft plans but not read them.
I only ever fish to pass the time of day if we are anchored somewhere. I like the tide to do most of the work.
lure fishing is where it is at nick, shore or boat. far more active and infinitely more exciting than waiting on bite on a static bait .some good lure guides on the south coast, fly and lure fishing from an inshore boat or shore. this bloke is an excellent reputation, ex city bloke seen the light from what i gather .I only ever fish to pass the time of day if we are anchored somewhere. I like the tide to do most of the work.
https://www.fishyrob.co.uk/
a day with him and you will be good to go on your own. be careful though, it is addictive
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Remain fanatic says vote again. What does Tony Blair say ?I'm surprised you have to ask though, as he has been consistent in making that call for sometime, as covered in the MSM.
Maybe this just hasn't reached your echo-chamber yet?
Nickgnome said:
Thanks. I understand there are Eu draft plans but not read them.
I only ever fish to pass the time of day if we are anchored somewhere. I like the tide to do most of the work.
i'm not sure how involved the eu are with this, though it is likely down to eu legislation further down the line. scottish boats already do this. https://consult.defra.gov.uk/mmo/consultation-on-t...I only ever fish to pass the time of day if we are anchored somewhere. I like the tide to do most of the work.
Helicopter123 said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Remain fanatic says vote again. What does Tony Blair say ?I'm surprised you have to ask though, as he has been consistent in making that call for sometime, as covered in the MSM.
Maybe this just hasn't reached your echo-chamber yet?
jonnyb said:
Earthdweller said:
jonnyb said:
That’s what people said about the last election and it turned out not to be true. The only party to try and fight on purely brexit grounds were the Lib Dem’s.
I’m not sure the vast majority of the population actually cares anymore.
And look where that got them .. the only party to stand on a remain manifesto.I’m not sure the vast majority of the population actually cares anymore.
Both Labour and Tories stood on a Leave manifesto
In the 2015 GE in my constituency UKIP polled 23% of the vote
In 2016 the constituency voted 67% ish to leave
In the 2017 GE the UKIP vote collapsed completely and labour had a massive majority
The reason ... Brexit was not an issue because all those voters thought that it was a done deal and reverted to their tribal voting ... as both main parties promised to Honour the leave vote
I think You’ll find the average joe really does give a s
t dickymint said:
dandarez said:
Where the f did the figure of half a million come from? I'm a 60s teen and I remember well the figure being quoted at the time was around 300,000.
Anyway, irrelevant - THIS COUNTRY, yeah, in what some now term the bad ol' days (who weren't born then of course!) ie: the good ol' UK eclipsed Woodstock just a year later with the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 (I was there up on Afton Down (tent) and it was f brilliant - even the weather was kind - unlike for those at Woodstock. I got sunburnt as did my mates!).
3 quid for Fri, Sat, Sun. Wed & Thurs were free! Mind you, it was free for a lot of tight sods who got in without paying.
(Guinness Book of Records) 600,000 up to possibly 700,000!
So many turned up that Parliament was scared to death (they've always interfered - nothing changes) and the quickly introduced a section to the Isle of Wight County Council Act 1971 preventing overnight and open-air gatherings of more than 5,000 people on the island without a special licence from the council.
It's well documented as being half a million strong........................Anyway, irrelevant - THIS COUNTRY, yeah, in what some now term the bad ol' days (who weren't born then of course!) ie: the good ol' UK eclipsed Woodstock just a year later with the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 (I was there up on Afton Down (tent) and it was f brilliant - even the weather was kind - unlike for those at Woodstock. I got sunburnt as did my mates!).
3 quid for Fri, Sat, Sun. Wed & Thurs were free! Mind you, it was free for a lot of tight sods who got in without paying.
(Guinness Book of Records) 600,000 up to possibly 700,000!
So many turned up that Parliament was scared to death (they've always interfered - nothing changes) and the quickly introduced a section to the Isle of Wight County Council Act 1971 preventing overnight and open-air gatherings of more than 5,000 people on the island without a special licence from the council.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sH0uR2u7Hs
enjoy
Nickgnome said:
Apologies. That’s semantics though as why would you fish for a particular species you cannot eat?
I did go look thanks and imop you are not covering yourself in glory.
to be fair i might not be covering myself in glory in there (have you read gadgetmacs posts I did go look thanks and imop you are not covering yourself in glory.
) i am only discussing a topic i have a mild interest and no formal training in, but would like to think i hold my own most of the time.regarding fishing for but not eating. catch and release is very pertinent to bass fishing. many people that fish for them are 100% catch and release anglers. bass are probably the species most suited to this in uk waters. i am not comfortable with 100% catch and release as it provides ammo to anti's in terms of people capturing wild creatures for pleasure, and if i was not allowed to retain any salt water fish i would probably stop fishing as it removes the option of retaining those deep hooked fish that won't survive being returned hence adding to the discard problem. i hate wasting natural resources.
wc98 said:
investment in the science that supports informed decision making. it's not by luck the norwegians do fisheries management so well. they are right at the forefront of egg and larvae sampling and subsequent yearly recruitment. this allows them to plan for fishing effort instead of reacting to trends as we see in the eu.
We back to talking about fish in another volume and after hundreds of pages again? 
I agree with a lot of what you say especially the above re norway (and iceland I'd add) but do you really think the UK will not simply do as before and sell down the existing fisheries to the EU in return for access to something else deemed more economically important?
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Remain fanatic says vote again. What does Tony Blair say ?I'm surprised you have to ask though, as he has been consistent in making that call for sometime, as covered in the MSM.
Maybe this just hasn't reached your echo-chamber yet?
Helicopter123 said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Remain fanatic says vote again. What does Tony Blair say ?I'm surprised you have to ask though, as he has been consistent in making that call for sometime, as covered in the MSM.
Maybe this just hasn't reached your echo-chamber yet?
Nickgnome said:
SeeFive said:
Piha said:
Weren't bass numbers at critically low numbers in 2014?
If it concerns you more than mobile roaming or FoM etc, then maybe you should have voted leave. The video below is a direct result of EU quotas, when the fish is already caught and simply thrown away dead when it could be used as food.
What a waste. Some might say that just that catch could keep an African village alive for a while. Bloody EU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBObPhFBhs
Throwing fish back means catching and killing more fish to fill the boat.
Helicopter123 said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
Helicopter123 said:
Remain fanatic says vote again. What does Tony Blair say ?I'm surprised you have to ask though, as he has been consistent in making that call for sometime, as covered in the MSM.
Maybe this just hasn't reached your echo-chamber yet?
You not so subtley gloating over the deaths of people who voted differently to you. Matter of record now, despite your edit.
Says quite a lot about the type of person you are, and the hatred it brought out in you . Kinda ironic in a way, considering your liking for posting others vitriol.
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