If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?

[Kermit power]

fatboy18 said:

I didn't read any leaflets on Brexit but I did watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44YTTyQKyJQ

Seriously???

Four minutes in, and he's reduced to complaining that we should leave the EU because they have more than 90 buildings in Brussels, and more in Strasbourg! Hardly heavy-hitting, is it???

Is the suggestion that by leaving the EU, we will instead just have one great big building somewhere in the UK that will be able to answer every question any citizen has to ask?

[fido]

Kermit power said:

Four minutes in, and he's reduced to complaining that we should leave the EU because they have more than 90 buildings in Brussels, and more in Strasbourg! Hardly heavy-hitting, is it???

Is the suggestion that by leaving the EU, we will instead just have one great big building somewhere in the UK that will be able to answer every question any citizen has to ask?

Well you wouldn't get it because Strasbourg Syndrome has set in - you're fully assimilated into the EU mindset without a visit to Room 101. And that's fine if you want the political equivalent of FIFA in charge - but most people (or the unwashed masses from your viewpoint) can see where it's heading and want to leave.

[fatboy18]

Kermit power said:

fatboy18 said:

I didn't read any leaflets on Brexit but I did watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44YTTyQKyJQ

Seriously???

Four minutes in, and he's reduced to complaining that we should leave the EU because they have more than 90 buildings in Brussels, and more in Strasbourg! Hardly heavy-hitting, is it???

Is the suggestion that by leaving the EU, we will instead just have one great big building somewhere in the UK that will be able to answer every question any citizen has to ask?

Like with any campaign, stay or leave there are good and bad bits, further along in the film is an interview with Tate and Lyle sugar company, I thought they made a balanced case.

Why not watch the whole thing then make a comment

I am not promoting ALL the points in the film, I am just saying I did not read any leaflets, I watched the film.

[Kermit power]

fido said:

Kermit power said:

Four minutes in, and he's reduced to complaining that we should leave the EU because they have more than 90 buildings in Brussels, and more in Strasbourg! Hardly heavy-hitting, is it???

Is the suggestion that by leaving the EU, we will instead just have one great big building somewhere in the UK that will be able to answer every question any citizen has to ask?

Well you wouldn't get it because Strasbourg Syndrome has set in - you're fully assimilated into the EU mindset without a visit to Room 101. And that's fine if you want the political equivalent of FIFA in charge - but most people (or the unwashed masses from your viewpoint) can see where it's heading and want to leave.

So you believe there are fewer than 90 government buildings in the UK, do you?

[Piha]

fatboy18 said:

Kermit power said:

fatboy18 said:

I didn't read any leaflets on Brexit but I did watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44YTTyQKyJQ

Seriously???

Four minutes in, and he's reduced to complaining that we should leave the EU because they have more than 90 buildings in Brussels, and more in Strasbourg! Hardly heavy-hitting, is it???

Is the suggestion that by leaving the EU, we will instead just have one great big building somewhere in the UK that will be able to answer every question any citizen has to ask?

Like with any campaign, stay or leave there are good and bad bits, further along in the film is an interview with Tate and Lyle sugar company, I thought they made a balanced case.

Why not watch the whole thing then make a comment

I not promoting ALL the points in the film, I am just saying I did not read any leaflets, I watched the film.

I watched a bit of your little filum and gave up after the constant references to FREEDOM and Germany losing the war.

Utter xenophobic tosh and its 15/20 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

[fido]

Kermit power said:

So you believe there are fewer than 90 government buildings in the UK, do you?

And thus you miss the whole point of the film. I expect the UK government to have as many buildings as it needs whereas well I don't care what the EU does with it's bureaucrats - after we leave.

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

fatboy18 said:

PositronicRay said:

fatboy18 said:

Just amazed that the Blue party still have 24% of the votes here!

Wondering how many of the voters here are London based?

London is predominantly Labour.

Er, I don't think that's true?

Results from the last GE show that it's predominantly Labour, so why would you think otherwise?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

Because Metropolitan Elites, er London Bubble, er Westminster, er er...

[fatboy18]

Roman Rhodes said:

98elise said:

fatboy18 said:

PositronicRay said:

fatboy18 said:

Just amazed that the Blue party still have 24% of the votes here!

Wondering how many of the voters here are London based?

London is predominantly Labour.

Er, I don't think that's true?

Results from the last GE show that it's predominantly Labour, so why would you think otherwise?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

Because Metropolitan Elites, er London Bubble, er Westminster, er er...

Thank you, exactly, its what the london Bubble media keep telling us/

[BigMon]

LeMansNut said:

The entire debacle of the past few years is because of the mindset, which you share, of our the Remoaner politicians who want to stop us from leaving the EU.

The Remain campaign made it perfectly clear what "Leave" meant, as in leaving the EU. The Remoaner Cameron led New-Blue-Labour Govt. sent out a leaflet which specifically stated what "Leaving the EU" meant and that the Govt. would "implement" what we decide.

The Leave campaign made it perfectly clear that Leave meant Leave.

In 2017, we had a GE where both Labour and the Conservatives specifically stated that they supported and would honour the outcome of the EU Referendum. Both parties combined got the majority of votes. Only the Lib Dumbs promised a "peoples' vote" or "2nd referendum" and they got the least votes. If people so wanted to stay in this EU, then why didn't they vote Lib Dumb?

None of the campaigns mentioned N Ireland, backstops, deals, Facebook adverts and all the other neo-Communist nonsense which the Progressive pro-EU New-Blue-Labour Tories and New Labour Blairites keep on spouting.

Why is the above so hard for you Remoaners to understand?

Wipe the spittle from your mouth, refrain from the playground insults and calm down and maybe you can put your points across in a more measured way.

[Kermit power]

fatboy18 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

98elise said:

fatboy18 said:

PositronicRay said:

fatboy18 said:

Just amazed that the Blue party still have 24% of the votes here!

Wondering how many of the voters here are London based?

London is predominantly Labour.

Er, I don't think that's true?

Results from the last GE show that it's predominantly Labour, so why would you think otherwise?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

Because Metropolitan Elites, er London Bubble, er Westminster, er er...

Thank you, exactly, its what the london Bubble media keep telling us/

Eh? The London Bubble Media (which presumably includes all the BBC lot in Salford?) keep telling you what? That London is primarily Tory?

[Piha]

Kermit power said:

fatboy18 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

98elise said:

fatboy18 said:

PositronicRay said:

fatboy18 said:

Just amazed that the Blue party still have 24% of the votes here!

Wondering how many of the voters here are London based?

London is predominantly Labour.

Er, I don't think that's true?

Results from the last GE show that it's predominantly Labour, so why would you think otherwise?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

Because Metropolitan Elites, er London Bubble, er Westminster, er er...

Thank you, exactly, its what the london Bubble media keep telling us/

Eh? The London Bubble Media (which presumably includes all the BBC lot in Salford?) keep telling you what? That London is primarily Tory?

[oyster]

LeMansNut said:

Kermit power said:

The entire debacle of the past few years all hangs, in my mind, on the fact that no specific leave was promised.

The entire debacle of the past few years is because of the mindset, which you share, of our the Remoaner politicians who want to stop us from leaving the EU.

The Remain campaign made it perfectly clear what "Leave" meant, as in leaving the EU. The Remoaner Cameron led New-Blue-Labour Govt. sent out a leaflet which specifically stated what "Leaving the EU" meant and that the Govt. would "implement" what we decide.

The Leave campaign made it perfectly clear that Leave meant Leave.

In 2017, we had a GE where both Labour and the Conservatives specifically stated that they supported and would honour the outcome of the EU Referendum. Both parties combined got the majority of votes. Only the Lib Dumbs promised a "peoples' vote" or "2nd referendum" and they got the least votes. If people so wanted to stay in this EU, then why didn't they vote Lib Dumb?

None of the campaigns mentioned N Ireland, backstops, deals, Facebook adverts and all the other neo-Communist nonsense which the Progressive pro-EU New-Blue-Labour Tories and New Labour Blairites keep on spouting.

Why is the above so hard for you Remoaners to understand?

As usual with these threads I start by claiming neutrality having abstained in 2016 as I see merits to both leaving and remaining.

But there are a couple of points you make that need questioning.

LeMansNut said:

The Remain campaign made it perfectly clear what "Leave" meant

That is ridiculous. As ridiculous as suggesting we should take Conservative policy as explained by Jeremy Corbyn. What remainers said about leaving is irrelevant at best and 'project fear' at worst - so we should not account for it at all. What's more important is what team leave had to say.

LeMansNut said:

The Leave campaign made it perfectly clear that Leave meant Leave.

So not at all clear.


Then there's this bizarre set of name calling:

LeMansNut said:

Remoaner
Cameron led New-Blue-Labour Govt.
Lib Dumbs

Grown up debate right there.

[irocfan]

Kermit power said:

fatboy18 said:

I didn't read any leaflets on Brexit but I did watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44YTTyQKyJQ

Seriously???

Four minutes in, and he's reduced to complaining that we should leave the EU because they have more than 90 buildings in Brussels, and more in Strasbourg! Hardly heavy-hitting, is it???

Is the suggestion that by leaving the EU, we will instead just have one great big building somewhere in the UK that will be able to answer every question any citizen has to ask?

TBH I've not watched it but I will make an observation regarding the Brussels/Strasbourg situation. In isolation that would, quite obviously. not be a reason to leave. The issue is though that it is indicative of the sheer waste that goes on: can't decide where to have the EU headquarters? Easy let's split it between countries with all the attendant wastage that moving twice a year entails, who cares about that? After ll it's not their money

[Kermit power]

irocfan said:

TBH I've not watched it but I will make an observation regarding the Brussels/Strasbourg situation. In isolation that would, quite obviously. not be a reason to leave. The issue is though that it is indicative of the sheer waste that goes on: can't decide where to have the EU headquarters? Easy let's split it between countries with all the attendant wastage that moving twice a year entails, who cares about that? After ll it's not their money

OK, that's not an unreasonable position, but you're always going to be faced with the political impossibilities of having every European institution in just one of the member states.

Look at the UK. Just think how much we could save by selling off all the insanely expensive government real estate in Central London - some of the most expensive in the world - and relocating everything to a single location somewhere in the Midlands.

Why haven't we done so? Surely if, as you suggest, the EU should be able to do it easily enough, it should be infinitely easier for us to do it all within the borders of a single country, no?

[Piha]

I'm sure it has been posted before but it's worth a giggle.......

The Moggster has sent a powerful message to his minions....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=104&am...

[Teddy Lop]

hyperblue said:

Honestly no idea anymore.

I voted remain, accepted the result and considered the Conservatives would be more competent than Labour at managing the withdrawal process. Therefore they got my vote last time. However, they have fked up big time and are unfit for office, as are Labour.

My local MP Peter Kyle is Labour and seems to do a decent job representing his constituency and is a thorn in Jeremy Corbyn’s side. But I cannot bring myself to vote for him as vote for Labour would only encourage Corbyn.

I just want someone sensible in charge!

this is the problem, while the system is supposed to have a certain obstinate quality to prevent bad ideas gaining traction too quickly, today it seems hopelessly outdated and ill suited to its task. Although I guess its easy to blame the tool when the real problem is that most of the monkeys using it are either inept or scum serving themselves and/or a doctrine they believe to be elevated above the will of the people.

I predicted that brexit would be undermined by the political elite, but the means, the attempts to systematically grind everyone down to the point they give up and want it over has really disgusted me. I guess I should have expected that though. Its not hard to see how people slide haplessly to extremes from here; I feel its the politicians who are playing with a danger they are ignorant of, far moreso than any voting group.

[LeMansNut]

GT119 said:

Parliament have already decided that we will not be leaving without a deal.

As promised....by the Leave campaign......prior to the referendum.

Parliament triggered Article 50 and that meant we were to Leave the EU by the end of March this year. The PM herself said "no deal is better than a bad deal".

You Progressives seem to pin all your hopes in stopping Brexit on whatever the Leave campaign came out with? It's laughable. Not to mention hilarious how none of you will ever accept that people made up their minds about the EU a long time ago. Let me remind you of those reasons: The Maastricht Treaty, no referendum AND Bliar opening the doors in 2004, on purpose, to the former Soviet bloc nations. Why didn't Bliar mention such an intention in the 2001 New Liebour manifesto? Odd how you all ignored those nuggets of facts yet you all concentrated more on "stop insulting everyone boo hoo".

However, seeing as all your hopes are pinned on whatever the Leave campaign did, here's a leaflet which spelt out leaving the EU without a deal. None of what's stated in the leaflet is remotely possible by staying in any of the EU institutions and/or treaties:

https://digital.library.lse.ac.uk/objects/lse:sav2...

Crikey, the way some of you have had a meltdown at my previous posts, one would wonder if you're all actually BTL landlords who rely on open door immigration to prop up your debt ridden portfolios? Is that what's really going on here?

[anonymous-user]

LeMansNut said:

Parliament triggered Article 50 and that meant we were to Leave the EU by the end of March this year. The PM herself said "no deal is better than a bad deal".

You Progressives seem to pin all your hopes in stopping Brexit on whatever the Leave campaign came out with? It's laughable. Not to mention hilarious how none of you will ever accept that people made up their minds about the EU a long time ago. Let me remind you of those reasons: The Maastricht Treaty, no referendum AND Bliar opening the doors in 2004, on purpose, to the former Soviet bloc nations. Why didn't Bliar mention such an intention in the 2001 New Liebour manifesto? Odd how you all ignored those nuggets of facts yet you all concentrated more on "stop insulting everyone boo hoo".

However, seeing as all your hopes are pinned on whatever the Leave campaign did, here's a leaflet which spelt out leaving the EU without a deal. None of what's stated in the leaflet is remotely possible by staying in any of the EU institutions and/or treaties:

https://digital.library.lse.ac.uk/objects/lse:sav2...

Crikey, the way some of you have had a meltdown at my previous posts, one would wonder if you're all actually BTL landlords who rely on open door immigration to prop up your debt ridden portfolios? Is that what's really going on here?

Progressives.
Laughable.
Hilarious.
Bliar.
Liebour.
Boohoo.
Meltdown.

Would that be a reasonable summary of your position?

[Kermit power]

LeMansNut said:

Crikey, the way some of you have had a meltdown at my previous posts, one would wonder if you're all actually BTL landlords who rely on open door immigration to prop up your debt ridden portfolios? Is that what's really going on here?

I've never been a BTL landlord, nor do I have any desire to be one.

It's just that when you start including the likes of "remoaner", "Bliar", "Liebour Party", "Camoron" or whatever else in a similar, it makes you sound like a petulant toddler, and frankly I can't really be bothered to read the rest of what you're saying, regardless of how sensible or otherwise it might be.

You're not the only one who does it, but you do seem to be competing for a prize in terms of the number of such terms you can include in a single post...

[PositronicRay]

Piha said:

Kermit power said:

fatboy18 said:

Roman Rhodes said:

98elise said:

fatboy18 said:

PositronicRay said:

fatboy18 said:

Just amazed that the Blue party still have 24% of the votes here!

Wondering how many of the voters here are London based?

London is predominantly Labour.

Er, I don't think that's true?

Results from the last GE show that it's predominantly Labour, so why would you think otherwise?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

Because Metropolitan Elites, er London Bubble, er Westminster, er er...

Thank you, exactly, its what the london Bubble media keep telling us/

Eh? The London Bubble Media (which presumably includes all the BBC lot in Salford?) keep telling you what? That London is primarily Tory?

Don't you lot come on here with your facts you........ You.......... EXPERTS.