If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?
Poll: If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?
Total Members Polled: 978
Discussion
Kermit power said:
I can't really be bothered to read the rest of what you're saying, regardless of how sensible or otherwise it might be.
Jeez...that made me laugh. So I insulted people and parties who you don't know and who don't give a damn about you, yet you're so offended that you didn't read the rest of my blurb but took the time to reply it?Let me guess, you're one those fence sitting "I occupy the moral high ground" types? And a BTL landlord? Come on, fess up...there's a vested interest in there somewhere.
LeMansNut said:
Kermit power said:
I can't really be bothered to read the rest of what you're saying, regardless of how sensible or otherwise it might be.
Jeez...that made me laugh. So I insulted people and parties who you don't know and who don't give a damn about you, yet you're so offended that you didn't read the rest of my blurb but took the time to reply it?Bottom line is that there's absolutely no need for it. Either you've got an argument to make which is strong enough to stand up to reasoned debate without having to resort to silly insults, or you're just a bored ape in a zoo flinging your own faeces through the bars of your cage...
LeMansNut said:
Let me guess, you're one those fence sitting "I occupy the moral high ground" types? And a BTL landlord? Come on, fess up...there's a vested interest in there somewhere.
You're saying "vested interest" as though I'm hiding some sort of dirty secret? Not at all.I have lived in two other EU countries and speak their languages fluently. I work with other Europeans all the time, and I couldn't point to a single piece of EU legislation that has had a negative impact on me.
I can understand people being frustrated by large scale immigration, but all it has meant to me is that the nice, cheerful Romanian plumber that came round a few weeks ago is bloody cheap, and the fact that we've got essentially full employment in this country means that my taxes aren't funding a UK ex-plumber sitting on the dole.
I see people complaining about being managed by EU bureaucrats and politicians, but then I look at the laughable rabble we have in this country and think "how exactly am I expected to notice a difference?" I can vote to change them every few years, you say? OK. Who am I going to vote for instead?
I also get immensely frustrated by the absurdity of it all! You may have voted to limit immigration? OK. I can understand people saying that, but please explain to me how we can possibly limit immigration whilst we're at full employment, and we have more indigenous people leaving the workforce every year (and therefore increasing the demand for other workers in the economy) than we have coming into it through kids reaching working age.
Our politicians have, for decades, used the EU as an excuse for inaction, and most of it has been complete rubbish, and we're all paying the price for tht now.
Kermit power said:
LeMansNut said:
Kermit power said:
I can't really be bothered to read the rest of what you're saying, regardless of how sensible or otherwise it might be.
Jeez...that made me laugh. So I insulted people and parties who you don't know and who don't give a damn about you, yet you're so offended that you didn't read the rest of my blurb but took the time to reply it?Bottom line is that there's absolutely no need for it. Either you've got an argument to make which is strong enough to stand up to reasoned debate without having to resort to silly insults, or you're just a bored ape in a zoo flinging your own faeces through the bars of your cage...
LeMansNut said:
Let me guess, you're one those fence sitting "I occupy the moral high ground" types? And a BTL landlord? Come on, fess up...there's a vested interest in there somewhere.
You're saying "vested interest" as though I'm hiding some sort of dirty secret? Not at all.I have lived in two other EU countries and speak their languages fluently. I work with other Europeans all the time, and I couldn't point to a single piece of EU legislation that has had a negative impact on me.
I can understand people being frustrated by large scale immigration, but all it has meant to me is that the nice, cheerful Romanian plumber that came round a few weeks ago is bloody cheap, and the fact that we've got essentially full employment in this country means that my taxes aren't funding a UK ex-plumber sitting on the dole.
I see people complaining about being managed by EU bureaucrats and politicians, but then I look at the laughable rabble we have in this country and think "how exactly am I expected to notice a difference?" I can vote to change them every few years, you say? OK. Who am I going to vote for instead?
I also get immensely frustrated by the absurdity of it all! You may have voted to limit immigration? OK. I can understand people saying that, but please explain to me how we can possibly limit immigration whilst we're at full employment, and we have more indigenous people leaving the workforce every year (and therefore increasing the demand for other workers in the economy) than we have coming into it through kids reaching working age.
Our politicians have, for decades, used the EU as an excuse for inaction, and most of it has been complete rubbish, and we're all paying the price for tht now.
I'm sure you're all very nice folk and so it was a delight to cross swords with you all.
Cheers!
Kermit power said:
A European election I could understand, but a GE? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and I honestly don't believe even a fraction of those people would actually vote for "The Brexit Party" on the day...
The problem I have, is that manifestos are now completely f
king meaningless. That's never been more pertinent or obvious than now. Now, I understand there are some things put in manifestos that are not entirely within the control of even a massive majority government to do. However, lots are. And manifestos should mean something - both the reason for gaining power, and a level of self (and outside) accountability against the promises made in a campaign.
Until manifestos are meaningful again, there's very little to base a voting intention opinion on. The "cut of their jib". Perhaps their public voting history (although confused by EDMs, the whip, etc. - and only available for those in office already). Their dress sense.
Kermit power said:
OK, that's not an unreasonable position, but you're always going to be faced with the political impossibilities of having every European institution in just one of the member states.
Look at the UK. Just think how much we could save by selling off all the insanely expensive government real estate in Central London - some of the most expensive in the world - and relocating everything to a single location somewhere in the Midlands.
Why haven't we done so? Surely if, as you suggest, the EU should be able to do it easily enough, it should be infinitely easier for us to do it all within the borders of a single country, no?
i think you might be missing the point the individual countries that make up the eu already have that necessary (and no doubt in many cases unnecessary) real estate. the eu has an extra layer on top of that that all eu taxpayers have to pay for.Look at the UK. Just think how much we could save by selling off all the insanely expensive government real estate in Central London - some of the most expensive in the world - and relocating everything to a single location somewhere in the Midlands.
Why haven't we done so? Surely if, as you suggest, the EU should be able to do it easily enough, it should be infinitely easier for us to do it all within the borders of a single country, no?
LeMansNut said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Progressives.
Laughable.
Hilarious.
Bliar.
Liebour.
Boohoo.
Meltdown.
Would that be a reasonable summary of your position?
And still, a concentration on the nothingness but ignorance of the facts prevails? Laughable.
Hilarious.
Bliar.
Liebour.
Boohoo.
Meltdown.
Would that be a reasonable summary of your position?
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Would you be so kind as to read the slide presentation at the bottom of the page linked above and tell me where it says that we will leave without a deal?
You will find what you are looking for on slide 11, it says "Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave."
The Brexit debate on here has been going on for several years, and the main thread is now at volume 10.
Wading in now after two months membership and throwing playground insults in all directions makes you look like foolish, that is why you have had multiple responses telling you so.
If you were to read the other threads in detail you will see that the Brexit supporting posters outnumber the Remain supporters by about 2 to 1, so despite what you seem to think, this forum is actually a Brexit echo chamber.
What do you think is the reason that none of the Brexit supporters posters have piped up to support your posts?
Also, whilst I'm here, you have called me a 'progressive' who wants to overturn the result. That is not the case, I'm happy we leave using the manner in which Parliament decides, I was just pointing out to you that it isn't going to be without a deal.
And no, I'm not a BTL landlord, although I'm quite amused why you are so obsessed with that.
Sway said:
I almost entirely agree with your points, yet polled "brexit party"...
The problem I have, is that manifestos are now completely fking meaningless. That's never been more pertinent or obvious than now.
Now, I understand there are some things put in manifestos that are not entirely within the control of even a massive majority government to do. However, lots are. And manifestos should mean something - both the reason for gaining power, and a level of self (and outside) accountability against the promises made in a campaign.
Until manifestos are meaningful again, there's very little to base a voting intention opinion on. The "cut of their jib". Perhaps their public voting history (although confused by EDMs, the whip, etc. - and only available for those in office already). Their dress sense.
Well, instead of the manifesto, you can always check out what they say as individuals and make sure they don’t go back on it. Oh hang on a sec...The problem I have, is that manifestos are now completely f
king meaningless. That's never been more pertinent or obvious than now. Now, I understand there are some things put in manifestos that are not entirely within the control of even a massive majority government to do. However, lots are. And manifestos should mean something - both the reason for gaining power, and a level of self (and outside) accountability against the promises made in a campaign.
Until manifestos are meaningful again, there's very little to base a voting intention opinion on. The "cut of their jib". Perhaps their public voting history (although confused by EDMs, the whip, etc. - and only available for those in office already). Their dress sense.
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2017/hss/mps-mus...
NB: Other examples from all parties are available but I thought this one was particularly pertinent today.
GT119 said:
Facts, you say.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Would you be so kind as to read the slide presentation at the bottom of the page linked above and tell me where it says that we will leave without a deal?
You will find what you are looking for on slide 11, it says "Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave."
The Brexit debate on here has been going on for several years, and the main thread is now at volume 10.
Wading in now after two months membership and throwing playground insults in all directions makes you look like foolish, that is why you have had multiple responses telling you so.
If you were to read the other threads in detail you will see that the Brexit supporting posters outnumber the Remain supporters by about 2 to 1, so despite what you seem to think, this forum is actually a Brexit echo chamber.
What do you think is the reason that none of the Brexit supporters posters have piped up to support your posts?
Also, whilst I'm here, you have called me a 'progressive' who wants to overturn the result. That is not the case, I'm happy we leave using the manner in which Parliament decides, I was just pointing out to you that it isn't going to be without a deal.
And no, I'm not a BTL landlord, although I'm quite amused why you are so obsessed with that.
I bowed out of this gracefully, you could return the same too. http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Would you be so kind as to read the slide presentation at the bottom of the page linked above and tell me where it says that we will leave without a deal?
You will find what you are looking for on slide 11, it says "Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave."
The Brexit debate on here has been going on for several years, and the main thread is now at volume 10.
Wading in now after two months membership and throwing playground insults in all directions makes you look like foolish, that is why you have had multiple responses telling you so.
If you were to read the other threads in detail you will see that the Brexit supporting posters outnumber the Remain supporters by about 2 to 1, so despite what you seem to think, this forum is actually a Brexit echo chamber.
What do you think is the reason that none of the Brexit supporters posters have piped up to support your posts?
Also, whilst I'm here, you have called me a 'progressive' who wants to overturn the result. That is not the case, I'm happy we leave using the manner in which Parliament decides, I was just pointing out to you that it isn't going to be without a deal.
And no, I'm not a BTL landlord, although I'm quite amused why you are so obsessed with that.
wc98 said:
Kermit power said:
OK, that's not an unreasonable position, but you're always going to be faced with the political impossibilities of having every European institution in just one of the member states.
Look at the UK. Just think how much we could save by selling off all the insanely expensive government real estate in Central London - some of the most expensive in the world - and relocating everything to a single location somewhere in the Midlands.
Why haven't we done so? Surely if, as you suggest, the EU should be able to do it easily enough, it should be infinitely easier for us to do it all within the borders of a single country, no?
i think you might be missing the point the individual countries that make up the eu already have that necessary (and no doubt in many cases unnecessary) real estate. the eu has an extra layer on top of that that all eu taxpayers have to pay for.Look at the UK. Just think how much we could save by selling off all the insanely expensive government real estate in Central London - some of the most expensive in the world - and relocating everything to a single location somewhere in the Midlands.
Why haven't we done so? Surely if, as you suggest, the EU should be able to do it easily enough, it should be infinitely easier for us to do it all within the borders of a single country, no?
LeMansNut said:
GT119 said:
Facts, you say.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Would you be so kind as to read the slide presentation at the bottom of the page linked above and tell me where it says that we will leave without a deal?
You will find what you are looking for on slide 11, it says "Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave."
The Brexit debate on here has been going on for several years, and the main thread is now at volume 10.
Wading in now after two months membership and throwing playground insults in all directions makes you look like foolish, that is why you have had multiple responses telling you so.
If you were to read the other threads in detail you will see that the Brexit supporting posters outnumber the Remain supporters by about 2 to 1, so despite what you seem to think, this forum is actually a Brexit echo chamber.
What do you think is the reason that none of the Brexit supporters posters have piped up to support your posts?
Also, whilst I'm here, you have called me a 'progressive' who wants to overturn the result. That is not the case, I'm happy we leave using the manner in which Parliament decides, I was just pointing out to you that it isn't going to be without a deal.
And no, I'm not a BTL landlord, although I'm quite amused why you are so obsessed with that.
I bowed out of this gracefully, you could return the same too. http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave...
Would you be so kind as to read the slide presentation at the bottom of the page linked above and tell me where it says that we will leave without a deal?
You will find what you are looking for on slide 11, it says "Taking back control is a careful change, not a sudden stop - we will negotiate the terms of a new deal before we start any legal process to leave."
The Brexit debate on here has been going on for several years, and the main thread is now at volume 10.
Wading in now after two months membership and throwing playground insults in all directions makes you look like foolish, that is why you have had multiple responses telling you so.
If you were to read the other threads in detail you will see that the Brexit supporting posters outnumber the Remain supporters by about 2 to 1, so despite what you seem to think, this forum is actually a Brexit echo chamber.
What do you think is the reason that none of the Brexit supporters posters have piped up to support your posts?
Also, whilst I'm here, you have called me a 'progressive' who wants to overturn the result. That is not the case, I'm happy we leave using the manner in which Parliament decides, I was just pointing out to you that it isn't going to be without a deal.
And no, I'm not a BTL landlord, although I'm quite amused why you are so obsessed with that.
You really should look into things before posting them. The Brexit party website is live and has been for a while. Led by Donkeys registered an alternative domain to troll Farage.
Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
Dick Dastardly said:
You really should look into things before posting them. The Brexit party website is live and has been for a while. Led by Donkeys registered an alternative domain to troll Farage.
Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
Ahem, what were you saying..........Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/led-by-do...
SeeFive said:
Sway said:
I almost entirely agree with your points, yet polled "brexit party"...
The problem I have, is that manifestos are now completely fking meaningless. That's never been more pertinent or obvious than now.
Now, I understand there are some things put in manifestos that are not entirely within the control of even a massive majority government to do. However, lots are. And manifestos should mean something - both the reason for gaining power, and a level of self (and outside) accountability against the promises made in a campaign.
Until manifestos are meaningful again, there's very little to base a voting intention opinion on. The "cut of their jib". Perhaps their public voting history (although confused by EDMs, the whip, etc. - and only available for those in office already). Their dress sense.
Well, instead of the manifesto, you can always check out what they say as individuals and make sure they don’t go back on it. Oh hang on a sec...The problem I have, is that manifestos are now completely f
king meaningless. That's never been more pertinent or obvious than now. Now, I understand there are some things put in manifestos that are not entirely within the control of even a massive majority government to do. However, lots are. And manifestos should mean something - both the reason for gaining power, and a level of self (and outside) accountability against the promises made in a campaign.
Until manifestos are meaningful again, there's very little to base a voting intention opinion on. The "cut of their jib". Perhaps their public voting history (although confused by EDMs, the whip, etc. - and only available for those in office already). Their dress sense.
https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2017/hss/mps-mus...
NB: Other examples from all parties are available but I thought this one was particularly pertinent today.
What are the political parties going to put up policywise in the forthcoming EU elections, another helping of meaningless fudge? I'm not so sure that is going to be swallowed by the electorate again.
Wingo
Piha said:
Dick Dastardly said:
You really should look into things before posting them. The Brexit party website is live and has been for a while. Led by Donkeys registered an alternative domain to troll Farage.
Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
Ahem, what were you saying..........Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/led-by-do...
The Brexit party website is https://thebrexitparty.org/
LBD have registered https://thebrexitparty.com
I guess you're one who doesn't understand the basics of how the internet works. If I register pistonheads.org, PH doesn't go offline...
Piha said:
Dick Dastardly said:
You really should look into things before posting them. The Brexit party website is live and has been for a while. Led by Donkeys registered an alternative domain to troll Farage.
Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
Ahem, what were you saying..........Anyway, how many civil servals, let alone policiians, do you know who would understand even the basics of how the internet works?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/led-by-do...
The silly old man should have got hold of .com too, but you're a bit wide of the gloaty mark.
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