If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?

If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?

Poll: If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?

Total Members Polled: 978

Conservative: 23%
Labour: 6%
Lib Dem: 9%
UKIP: 10%
Brexit Party: 28%
Greens: 2%
SNP: 2%
Plaid Cymru: 0%
Independent Group: 8%
Other: 12%
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Rivenink

3,684 posts

106 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Henners said:
.org is his actual site. So they didn't beat him to the post.

The silly old man should have got hold of .com too, but you're a bit wide of the gloaty mark.
Not too far wide.

It either paints him and his team as technically incompetent or cheap. Or both.

Domain names are not that expensive.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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I heard they are going to play knock down ginger next week whilst all wearing Nigel Farage masks........that will give them a few more giggles no doubt..kids will be kids eh?..................well it is half term after all.

Henners

12,230 posts

194 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Rivenink said:
Henners said:
.org is his actual site. So they didn't beat him to the post.

The silly old man should have got hold of .com too, but you're a bit wide of the gloaty mark.
Not too far wide.

It either paints him and his team as technically incompetent or cheap. Or both.

Domain names are not that expensive.
Yeah, Piha was bang correct wink

Piha said:
It is being reported that Nigel Farage has forgotten to register his Brexit Party website....!!!

It's little wonder he has never been elected as an MP.

roflroflroflroflrofl

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Aren’t the brexit party and ukip just going to be splitting the same vote? Farage has been arguing with ukip and saying ukip have been taken over by the far right. I wonder what he’s going to do this time to stop far right wingers taking over the (new and respectable) brexit party?

Regardless of what happens now with brexit, the next GE will all be very bad news for the conservatives, they’ve got core voters going to the brexit and ukip parties and some centrists going to the new lot, while getting the blame for anything people think is going badly to do with brexit generally.

Corbyn must be happy as nobody else is competing for his place in the political spectrum. If labour got rid of Corbyn and replaced him with someone less Marxist, they’ll win by miles.

Henners

12,230 posts

194 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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El stovey said:
Aren’t the brexit party and ukip just going to be splitting the same vote? Farage has been arguing with ukip and saying ukip have been taken over by the far right. I wonder what he’s going to do this time to stop far right wingers taking over the (new and respectable) brexit party?

Regardless of what happens now with brexit, the next GE will all be very bad news for the conservatives, they’ve got core voters going to the brexit and ukip parties and some centrists going to the new lot, while getting the blame for anything people think is going badly to do with brexit generally.

Corbyn must be happy as nobody else is competing for his place in the political spectrum. If labour got rid of Corbyn and replaced him with someone less Marxist, they’ll win by miles.
Agree with all of this.

I'd love there to be a GE right now, just to see what would happen.

From who would campaign on what right through to the final results.


ETA: I'd vote Green.

Edited by Henners on Friday 12th April 11:27

PositronicRay

27,033 posts

183 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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El stovey said:
Aren’t the brexit party and ukip just going to be splitting the same vote? Farage has been arguing with ukip and saying ukip have been taken over by the far right. I wonder what he’s going to do this time to stop far right wingers taking over the (new and respectable) brexit party?

Regardless of what happens now with brexit, the next GE will all be very bad news for the conservatives, they’ve got core voters going to the brexit and ukip parties and some centrists going to the new lot, while getting the blame for anything people think is going badly to do with brexit generally.

Corbyn must be happy as nobody else is competing for his place in the political spectrum. If labour got rid of Corbyn and replaced him with someone less Marxist, they’ll win by miles.
Splitting the vote doesn't really matter though, it's a protest party they don't want any seats. Just to disrupt.

Kermit power

28,655 posts

213 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Wingo said:
It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next GE to Yvette Cooper in the next general election, along with other self serving MPs who are disconnected from their constituents.
Out of interest, how is Yvette Cooper being self-serving?

I've seen various articles suggesting that JRM's hedge fund would make a fortune out of Brexit (how true that is, I don't know), so I can understand potential claims of him being self-serving over Brexit, but what does Cooper have to gain?

If she is trying to stop Brexit from happening, then she's clearly opposing the will of her constituents, given how massively in favour they were of Brexit, but I just don't understand what's in it for her personally?

irocfan

40,485 posts

190 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Kermit power said:
Wingo said:
It will be very interesting to see what happens in the next GE to Yvette Cooper in the next general election, along with other self serving MPs who are disconnected from their constituents.
Out of interest, how is Yvette Cooper being self-serving?

I've seen various articles suggesting that JRM's hedge fund would make a fortune out of Brexit (how true that is, I don't know), so I can understand potential claims of him being self-serving over Brexit, but what does Cooper have to gain?

If she is trying to stop Brexit from happening, then she's clearly opposing the will of her constituents, given how massively in favour they were of Brexit, but I just don't understand what's in it for her personally?
could be considered self serving if there's a carrot of some EU related position at some point (not saying there is but look at kinnock's about face)

AstonZagato

12,705 posts

210 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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Kermit power said:
I've seen various articles suggesting that JRM's hedge fund would make a fortune out of Brexit (how true that is, I don't know), so I can understand potential claims of him being self-serving over Brexit
Then you really need to find some different sources because the ones that you are looking at are talking b0ll0cks.

  • The firm that JRM co-founded runs long-only funds (not hedge funds).
  • They specialise in emerging and frontier markets, so will not have significant UK positions. The only way that they could 'make a fortune out of Brexit' is if the markets in which they invested happened to seal advantageous trade deals with the UK post-no-deal. Even then, the stocks they own might not go up, or that might already be baked into the price. In short, it is probably as unlikely to be true as saying that Corbyn's pension fund may make a fortune out of Brexit.
  • JRM no longer has any portfolio management responsibilities so "his fund" does not apply.
  • While we are on the topic of Somerset Capital Management, setting up a fund in Ireland is not "moving his business out of the UK" or "preparing for Brexit", or "moving investments offshore". The UK (and European) Fund management industry has run funds out of Dublin and Luxembourg for the last 20-25 years (about as long as I've been looking). It is a structure that our clients demand. If you have funds in an ISA or DC pension, it is likely that you have a Dublin-domiciled fund. In that case, it would be as fair to say you had "moved your business out of the UK" or "prepared for Brexit", or "moved investments offshore"
They are all plausible-sounding ways of throwing mud. None are true, as far as I can see.

I have no connection to JRM or Somerset Capital Management.


Kermit power

28,655 posts

213 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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AstonZagato said:
Then you really need to find some different sources because the ones that you are looking at are talking b0ll0cks.

  • The firm that JRM co-founded runs long-only funds (not hedge funds).
  • They specialise in emerging and frontier markets, so will not have significant UK positions. The only way that they could 'make a fortune out of Brexit' is if the markets in which they invested happened to seal advantageous trade deals with the UK post-no-deal. Even then, the stocks they own might not go up, or that might already be baked into the price. In short, it is probably as unlikely to be true as saying that Corbyn's pension fund may make a fortune out of Brexit.
  • JRM no longer has any portfolio management responsibilities so "his fund" does not apply.
  • While we are on the topic of Somerset Capital Management, setting up a fund in Ireland is not "moving his business out of the UK" or "preparing for Brexit", or "moving investments offshore". The UK (and European) Fund management industry has run funds out of Dublin and Luxembourg for the last 20-25 years (about as long as I've been looking). It is a structure that our clients demand. If you have funds in an ISA or DC pension, it is likely that you have a Dublin-domiciled fund. In that case, it would be as fair to say you had "moved your business out of the UK" or "prepared for Brexit", or "moved investments offshore"
They are all plausible-sounding ways of throwing mud. None are true, as far as I can see.

I have no connection to JRM or Somerset Capital Management.
Thanks for the clarification. smile

wc98

10,401 posts

140 months

Friday 12th April 2019
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PositronicRay said:
Splitting the vote doesn't really matter though, it's a protest party they don't want any seats. Just to disrupt.
in the eu elections it still translates to seats given the pr system used. hopefully less for ukip and more for the brexit party.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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Just had a pre-election questionnaire through from The Conservatives, even gave me a Freepost envelope.


wc98

10,401 posts

140 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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digimeistter said:
Just had a pre-election questionnaire through from The Conservatives, even gave me a Freepost envelope.

biggrin i wonder how many others they will receive stating the same.

Digga

40,329 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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wc98 said:
digimeistter said:
Just had a pre-election questionnaire through from The Conservatives, even gave me a Freepost envelope.

biggrin i wonder how many others they will receive stating the same.
Crap survey. Data bound to be twisted. To better illustrate the point regarding a voter's preparedness to give their vote to any particular party(ies), the numbering should begin with zero.

silentbrown

8,842 posts

116 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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digimeistter said:
Just had a pre-election questionnaire through from The Conservatives, even gave me a Freepost envelope.

Brexit party isn't contesting COUNCIL elections, though.

Piha

7,150 posts

92 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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silentbrown said:
digimeistter said:
Just had a pre-election questionnaire through from The Conservatives, even gave me a Freepost envelope.

Brexit party isn't contesting COUNCIL elections, though.
rofl

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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silentbrown said:
Brexit party isn't contesting COUNCIL elections, though.
I'm well aware of that but my point still stands smile

I may have to hold my nose and vote UKIP for the Council Elections

silentbrown

8,842 posts

116 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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digimeistter said:
I may have to hold my nose and vote UKIP for the Council Elections

You've actually got a UKIP candidate, then? They're only contesting a couple of the seats on our council.

bigdog3

1,823 posts

180 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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silentbrown said:
You've actually got a UKIP candidate, then? They're only contesting a couple of the seats on our council.
In the absence of Brexit Party or UKIP, my Local Election protest vote will go to anyone except the mainstream parties, Monster Raving Loony if necessary.

Definitely vote for Brexit Party at European Elections.

Time to give the Tories and EU Parliament bloody noses rage

Kermit power

28,655 posts

213 months

Tuesday 16th April 2019
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bigdog3 said:
silentbrown said:
You've actually got a UKIP candidate, then? They're only contesting a couple of the seats on our council.
In the absence of Brexit Party or UKIP, my Local Election protest vote will go to anyone except the mainstream parties, Monster Raving Loony if necessary.

Definitely vote for Brexit Party at European Elections.

Time to give the Tories and EU Parliament bloody noses rage
Whereas for the first (and probably last) time in my life, I'll be voting Lib Dem at the Europeans, for being the only party with any sense and principles.