If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?

[bigdog3]

Piha said:

bigdog3 said:

Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit

Thankfully.

Less democracy in action, more democracy dying - very sad

[Down and out]

Piha said:

bigdog3 said:

Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit

Thankfully.

You may think leaving the EU will be a disaster but ignoring democracy will cause far more problems.

[amusingduck]

Piha said:

bigdog3 said:

Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit

Thankfully.

I hope "Thankfully" isn't with the expectation that we're avoiding economic harm by doing so. I think you'll be very disappointed with how things turn out if that's the case

[GroundEffect]

Down and out said:

Piha said:

bigdog3 said:

Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit

Thankfully.

You may think leaving the EU will be a disaster but ignoring democracy will cause far more problems.

Should our elected MPs be principled (i.e. do what they think is right for the country and their constituency) or be populist?

[Down and out]

GroundEffect said:

Should our elected MPs be principled (i.e. do what they think is right for the country and their constituency) or be populist?

Let's take a wild guess what our answers will be.

[amusingduck]

GroundEffect said:

Down and out said:

Piha said:

bigdog3 said:

Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit

Thankfully.

You may think leaving the EU will be a disaster but ignoring democracy will cause far more problems.

Should our elected MPs be principled (i.e. do what they think is right for the country and their constituency) or be populist?

How on earth are they principled? They voted overwhelmingly (550-54 or so) in favour of settling it by referendum.

You can't have it both ways. Either they decide, or they decide that we decide. Deciding that the public should decide and then ignoring the result because you don't like it is not principled.

[wc98]

anonymous said:

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i think they are nailed on for the most votes at the eu elections, betting odds not so great.not surprising though, the bookies tend to be a bit sharper than politicians when it comes to learning lessons.

[bigdog3]

amusingduck said:

How on earth are they principled? They voted overwhelmingly (550-54 or so) in favour of settling it by referendum.

You can't have it both ways. Either they decide, or they decide that we decide. Deciding that the public should decide and then ignoring the result because you don't like it is not principled.

Annunziata Rees-Mogg summed up the situation rather well:

"The politicians are not our masters - they are to do our bidding.

We need to fight back to take back our democracy. It's as drastic as that.

...our Prime Minister will not listen, not only to her membership, but will not listen to the people of her country.

I can't sit by and let her do it. We've got to rescue our democracy, we have got to show that the people of this country have a say in how we are run."

[zippy3x]

digimeistter said:

Piha said:

silentbrown said:

digimeistter said:

Just had a pre-election questionnaire through from The Conservatives, even gave me a Freepost envelope.

Brexit party isn't contesting COUNCIL elections, though.

I'm well aware of that but my point still stands

Brexit explained in 20 seconds.

Vote for something unachievable, Error pointed out. "My point still stands"

[Mark Benson]

European election voting intentions:

BREX: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

Strong leave parties (Brexit + UKIP): 34%
Strong remain parties (Green + Lib Dem + ChangeUK): 25%

Anyone still think a second referendum would be a walkover for remain?

[anonymous-user]

zippy3x said:

Brexit explained in 20 seconds.

Vote for something unachievable, Error pointed out. "My point still stands"

Nice selective quoting there.

[zippy3x]

digimeistter said:

zippy3x said:

Brexit explained in 20 seconds.

Vote for something unachievable, Error pointed out. "My point still stands"

Nice selective quoting there.

Nice selective thinking there.

[Rivenink]

Mark Benson said:

European election voting intentions:

BREX: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

Strong leave parties (Brexit + UKIP): 34%
Strong remain parties (Green + Lib Dem + ChangeUK): 25%

Anyone still think a second referendum would be a walkover for remain?

I don't think anyone posited that a confirmatory referendum would be a walkover for either side. Indeed, if the majority was that clear that one option would be predicted to win as a "walkover", there would be little need for it.

[anonymous-user]

zippy3x said:

Nice selective thinking there.

You must be a remainer! Oh the irony...

[PositronicRay]

bigdog3 said:

PositronicRay said:

Who's ignoring it?

Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit

For the last couple of yrs it's all they've been working on. Whatever you can accuse them of, "ignoring" isn't one of them

[Digga]

zippy3x said:

digimeistter said:

zippy3x said:

Brexit explained in 20 seconds.

Vote for something unachievable, Error pointed out. "My point still stands"

Nice selective quoting there.

Nice selective thinking there.

Nice selective thinking there; the vote was not for something unachievable. Moreover, all of the main political figures vowed to see the vote through. You cannot criticise anyone for assuming, therefore, their vote (either way) would carry weight and be acted upon.

[Rivenink]

Digga said:

Nice selective thinking there; the vote was not for something unachievable. Moreover, all of the main political figures vowed to see the vote through. You cannot criticise anyone for assuming, therefore, their vote (either way) would carry weight and be acted upon.

Leaving the EU is not unachievable.

Leaving the EU on the terms that many of the main poltical figures promised is unachievable: i.e that trading relationship would be largely uninterrupted, that the UK would remain in the single market while cutting free movement, that trade deals would be easily acheived, that it could all be done quickly were achievable, and that it would free more money for the NHS.

The referendum result has been acted upon. The process for leaving the EU has been initiated and followed through on. The product of the process is a withdrawal agreement that cannot gain a majority in the House of Commons, primarily because of politicians who campaigned for Leave.

If anyone feels that after 3 years of chaos, that their vote in the referendum hasn't had an impact, then they're being deliberately obtuse.

[zippy3x]

Digga said:

Nice selective thinking there; the vote was not for something unachievable.

and how is this thoroughly achievable process going?

Digga said:

Moreover, all of the main political figures vowed to see the vote through. You cannot criticise anyone for assuming, therefore, their vote (either way) would carry weight and be acted upon.

and what were you expecting the main parties to say?
"oh, erm, we weren't expecting that, let's forget about it"

they're pretending, because any kind of satisfactory Brexit is unachievable.

I think you Brexiteers should just soothe each other with the fact that you might have got away with it, if it hadn't been for those pesky realities of life

[Digga]

None of this nonsense will change how people vote, moving forward from here. It will be very, very different.

[anonymous-user]

zippy3x said:

they're pretending, because any kind of satisfactory Brexit is unachievable.

So you're saying it's impossible to leave the EU?