How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

[Piha]

Tuna said:

No resentment at all from dinner-table Remainers who will continue to refer to 'Brexiteers' and blame every small shift to the negative on being out of the EU? The memes I see on social media suggest that some are determined to keep the candle burning for the EU regardless of what happens in the UK.

Our society seems to accumulate groups that 'will never forget' some sleight that has long stopped actually affecting their lives, but still dominates their politics. How far should we pander to them?

Oh the irony........

[gooner1]

Piha said:

Tuna said:

No resentment at all from dinner-table Remainers who will continue to refer to 'Brexiteers' and blame every small shift to the negative on being out of the EU? The memes I see on social media suggest that some are determined to keep the candle burning for the EU regardless of what happens in the UK.

Our society seems to accumulate groups that 'will never forget' some sleight that has long stopped actually affecting their lives, but still dominates their politics. How far should we pander to them?

Oh the irony........

I'll take irony over a snide attempt to score a cheap point
by using a young female's murder on a car forum.
Especially when that murder had duck all to with this particular subject.

Have a good Friday.

[slow_poke]

Piha said:

Is it a price worth paying isn't it?

Don't forget the wonderful US trade deal that our Bojo'esque politicians said would benefit us all so very much. And let's not forget that the US needs us more than the UK needs the US?

The murder of a journalist Lyra McKee in Derry/Londonderry last night demonstrates how toxic the UK political could become. My thoughts are with Lyra's loved ones this morning.

More, it demonstrates that a certain subset of society in NI, although pretty much dormant for 20 years, remains viable and only needs the right conditions to spout up again.

The trick is to deny them their right conditions.

[ClaphamGT3]

slow_poke said:

Piha said:

Is it a price worth paying isn't it?

Don't forget the wonderful US trade deal that our Bojo'esque politicians said would benefit us all so very much. And let's not forget that the US needs us more than the UK needs the US?

The murder of a journalist Lyra McKee in Derry/Londonderry last night demonstrates how toxic the UK political could become. My thoughts are with Lyra's loved ones this morning.

More, it demonstrates that a certain subset of society in NI, although pretty much dormant for 20 years, remains viable and only needs the right conditions to spout up again.

The trick is to deny them their right conditions.

This is absolutely correct and needs to be understood by all who are currently grandstanding for a hard Brexit and claiming that the GFA is a manufactured impediment to their aspiration

[anonymous-user]

ClaphamGT3 said:

This is absolutely correct and needs to be understood by all who are currently grandstanding for a hard Brexit and claiming that the GFA is a manufactured impediment to their aspiration

Do you really think the troubles have disappeared during the peace process?

It's not as bad but incidents happen on a weekly basis which is just not being reported on.

Now the press seems interested.

[Piha]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Do you really think the troubles have disappeared during the peace process?

It's not as bad but incidents happen on a weekly basis which is just not being reported on.

Now the press seems interested.

I don't think anyone is saying the Troubles have disappeared. Anyone with any knowledge of Irish politics would be aware of the situation in Norn Iron since the GFA.

[S1KRR]

Robertj21a said:

Quite agree. The frustration was being in an organisation that I never wanted to be in, nothing to do with our government of the day.

Just thinking, that prior to 2016 I thought Cameron was doing a reasonable job. Even the previous years in coalition with Cleggbook as his sidekick.

[B'stard Child]

chrispmartha said:

Personally I just wish more of the Younger generation had have gotten if their backsides and voted as I think it would have swung the vote the other way, but cest las vie.

Personally I wish some nutjob hadn't topped an MP and that more people hadn't been taken in by the plague of locust promises of the remain campaign but "C'est la vie"

Cuts both ways

[deadslow]

its been a good laugh watching the Tories prove themselves unfit to govern, but thank goodness we're not going to leave after all.

[Robertj21a]

chrispmartha said:

Robertj21a said:

S1KRR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

Id like to agree but I don’t think this one will fade away that quickly; we have transcended the “a week is a long time in politics” rule. I suspect we are in for generational resentment on the EU issue, made worse when Brexiteers - or many of them - realise that leaving the EU is not a solution to their frustrations with the political establishment and the old chestnut that “whoever you vote for, the Government gets in” still holds true

Cant speak for others

My vote to leave was never based on frustrations with National government. Only well known and long established frustrations with the EU.

A good idea run incredibly badly and to the detriment of millions.

Quite agree. The frustration was being in an organisation that I never wanted to be in, nothing to do with our government of the day.

Which is a fair reason for you to want to leave and it’s probably why the younger generation voted overwhelmingly to stay, they have grown up with the country being a part of the EU and (rightly or wrongly) don’t what they see as the benefits taken away from them, I would take a guess that many of the younger generation see themselves as European as well as British (even at 40 that’s how I see myself) and again rightly or wrongly will feel that leaving the EU is taking some of their Identity away just as some of the older generation think their identity is being taken away by being in the EU.

Personally I just wish more of the Younger generation had have gotten if their backsides and voted as I think it would have swung the vote the other way, but cest las vie.

I quite understand what you are saying, and why, but I'm not convinced that it's a correct interpretation. Unlike those 'youngsters' gradually maturing from following Labour to following Conservatives (heaven knows if that will be true in future......!!), I'm not sure that the relatively small % who might actually want to live in the EU (as against just visit) will amount to anything significant. Unless they failed geography they're still European.
I think we too easily confuse Europe and the EU - to many people the EU is just about ease of trade, with little else of obvious benefit to the majority of the UK electorate.
Given the likely difficulties in the EU in years to come I would hope that the 'youngsters' have enough understanding and foresight to recognise that all that glitters is not gold.

[vonuber]

Robertj21a said:

Given the likely difficulties in the EU in years to come I would hope that the 'youngsters' have enough understanding and foresight to recognise that all that glitters is not gold.

But not all those who wander are lost. Also, the old that is strong does not wither as deep roots are not reached by the frost.

[frisbee]

deadslow said:

its been a good laugh watching the Tories prove themselves unfit to govern, but thank goodness we're not going to leave after all.

We're leaving on the 29th March 2019...oh wait.

Whatever happened to the 29th gang?

[rs1952]

vonuber said:

But not all those who wander are lost. Also, the old that is strong does not wither as deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Don't see many quotes from "Lord of the Rings" on here...

I've done Gilbert & Sullivan quotes before now on SP&L when having a swipe at vonhosen

[B'stard Child]

frisbee said:

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Whatever happened to the 29th gang?

I've googled them but the only thing that comes close is "29th Street Gang" - any better clues? - ringleader for example?

[Down and out]

B'stard Child said:

I've googled them but the only thing that comes close is "29th Street Gang" - any better clues? - ringleader for example?

Miguel O'faragio.

[Helicopter123]

frisbee said:

deadslow said:

its been a good laugh watching the Tories prove themselves unfit to govern, but thank goodness we're not going to leave after all.

We're leaving on the 29th March 2019...oh wait.

Whatever happened to the 29th gang?

Did anyone ever go ahead with the planned street parties regardless? I’m sure some said they would.

[bitchstewie]

Helicopter123 said:

Did anyone ever go ahead with the planned street parties regardless? I’m sure some said they would.

Those are in June

https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

[B'stard Child]

Helicopter123 said:

frisbee said:

deadslow said:

its been a good laugh watching the Tories prove themselves unfit to govern, but thank goodness we're not going to leave after all.

We're leaving on the 29th March 2019...oh wait.

Whatever happened to the 29th gang?

Did anyone ever go ahead with the planned street parties regardless? I’m sure some said they would.

Leaving parties are normally held around the time someone leaves - as we haven’t left yet would be a bit of a surprise to hear parties being held to celebrate something that hasn’t happened

But your post is another example of a sad individual getting his kicks from poking a wasps best - enjoy your time poking - I’m far more concerned for the after effects of the HoC collectively trying to ignore the result and I think you should be concerned about that too.

Pie gets it right

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hrn6vnOjRs

Of course you saw the climate change one and probably agreed with him

Edited by B'stard Child on Friday 19th April 20:10

[Tuna]

ClaphamGT3 said:

This is absolutely correct and needs to be understood by all who are currently grandstanding for a hard Brexit and claiming that the GFA is a manufactured impediment to their aspiration

I'm not sure that telling these people that the entire UK political system and economy will stop to appease their desires, and we dare not make changes for fear of offending them is a good idea. Deliberately conflating any changes whatsoever in Ireland with threats to the GFA is a cheap strategy and runs counter to the international policy of forthright condemnation of the troubles.

It has been reassuring to see that the recent events have been treated exactly that way - with complete condemnation as a thoughtless act - rather than by self elected guardians of the peace process claiming that it's "because Brexit".

[chrispmartha]

vonuber said:

Robertj21a said:

Given the likely difficulties in the EU in years to come I would hope that the 'youngsters' have enough understanding and foresight to recognise that all that glitters is not gold.

But not all those who wander are lost. Also, the old that is strong does not wither as deep roots are not reached by the frost.

Flip it around, I would hope that Brexiteerd have enough understanding to recognise that all that glitters is not gold.