How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)
Discussion
ClaphamGT3 said:
Tuna said:
I'm not sure that telling these people that the entire UK political system and economy will stop to appease their desires, and we dare not make changes for fear of offending them is a good idea. Deliberately conflating any changes whatsoever in Ireland with threats to the GFA is a cheap strategy and runs counter to the international policy of forthright condemnation of the troubles.
It has been reassuring to see that the recent events have been treated exactly that way - with complete condemnation as a thoughtless act - rather than by self elected guardians of the peace process claiming that it's "because Brexit".
Like the other guy further up the thread, you have just re-iterated exactly my point; Northern Ireland remains extremely vulnerable to a return to organised crime, shrouded in a miasma of sectarian sentiment. The GFA and the politics that surround it represent a very fragile peace. Threatening it through a botched Brexit will lead to one of two things - a return to crime and violence or a unification of Ireland under the republic.It has been reassuring to see that the recent events have been treated exactly that way - with complete condemnation as a thoughtless act - rather than by self elected guardians of the peace process claiming that it's "because Brexit".
Yes, NI is vulnerable to a return to organised crime. Conflating any part of Brexit with that return is dishonest and a cheap political trick - one that you persist in. You are justifying violence by giving that section of society an excuse to do what they wish unless conditions are preserved in aspic. That is not an option, regardless of what outcome you wish from Brexit.
Either I failed to make that clear in my original post (my fault if so) or you deliberately twisted my words (in which case, kindly stop
).Squiddly Diddly said:
Garvin said:
I am, of course, not in the least surprised that you disagree without any justification of why. It’s what you do and I have formed my own view from your posting history of why that is.
The reason I disagree is because you are wrong.Tuna said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Tuna said:
I'm not sure that telling these people that the entire UK political system and economy will stop to appease their desires, and we dare not make changes for fear of offending them is a good idea. Deliberately conflating any changes whatsoever in Ireland with threats to the GFA is a cheap strategy and runs counter to the international policy of forthright condemnation of the troubles.
It has been reassuring to see that the recent events have been treated exactly that way - with complete condemnation as a thoughtless act - rather than by self elected guardians of the peace process claiming that it's "because Brexit".
Like the other guy further up the thread, you have just re-iterated exactly my point; Northern Ireland remains extremely vulnerable to a return to organised crime, shrouded in a miasma of sectarian sentiment. The GFA and the politics that surround it represent a very fragile peace. Threatening it through a botched Brexit will lead to one of two things - a return to crime and violence or a unification of Ireland under the republic.It has been reassuring to see that the recent events have been treated exactly that way - with complete condemnation as a thoughtless act - rather than by self elected guardians of the peace process claiming that it's "because Brexit".
Yes, NI is vulnerable to a return to organised crime. Conflating any part of Brexit with that return is dishonest and a cheap political trick - one that you persist in. You are justifying violence by giving that section of society an excuse to do what they wish unless conditions are preserved in aspic. That is not an option, regardless of what outcome you wish from Brexit.
Either I failed to make that clear in my original post (my fault if so) or you deliberately twisted my words (in which case, kindly stop
).
t up and wrapping their gangsterism in whichever flag/religion was convenient.hidetheelephants said:
Implying that the organised crime ever went away after the GFA; it didn't, they just stopped blowing st up and wrapping their gangsterism in whichever flag/religion was convenient.
But still not adverse to murdering innocent fellow countrymen/women , just tot up and wrapping their gangsterism in whichever flag/religion was convenient.keep their hand(s) in.
Why, is a complete mystery to the majority in both communities, I would imagine.
gooner1 said:
hidetheelephants said:
Implying that the organised crime ever went away after the GFA; it didn't, they just stopped blowing st up and wrapping their gangsterism in whichever flag/religion was convenient.
But still not adverse to murdering innocent fellow countrymen/women , just tot up and wrapping their gangsterism in whichever flag/religion was convenient.keep their hand(s) in.
Why, is a complete mystery to the majority in both communities, I would imagine.
Squiddly Diddly said:
The reason I disagree is because you are wrong.
I've only recently become aware of your profile yet you appear to be a long time member. Just wondering if you had a previous username or it's only recently that you have begun replying to posters just to say they are wrong without saying why?Either way, you're trollish behaviour adds nothing to any debate so please stop.
wiggy001 said:
I've only recently become aware of your profile yet you appear to be a long time member. Just wondering if you had a previous username or it's only recently that you have begun replying to posters just to say they are wrong without saying why?
Either way, you're trollish behaviour adds nothing to any debate so please stop.
The artiste formerly known as "Purple Moonlight" Either way, you're trollish behaviour adds nothing to any debate so please stop.
HTH
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Huge opportunity for Labour to capture much of the middle ground of British politics again.
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Huge opportunity for Labour to capture much of the middle ground of British politics again.
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Helicopter123 said:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48000600
Huge opportunity for Labour to capture much of the middle ground of British politics again.
I like Tom Watson, might make a good PM?
This is the UK, not Ukraine.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48000600
Huge opportunity for Labour to capture much of the middle ground of British politics again.
I like Tom Watson, might make a good PM?
Helicopter123 said:
Brexit: Labour must back another referendum - Tom Watson
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48000600
Huge opportunity for Labour to capture much of the middle ground of British politics again.
I like Tom Watson, might make a good PM?
You mean the Tom Watson who frequently abused his position to make unfounded sex abuse slurs on a number of public figures and has since consistently refused to apologise when proven wrong? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48000600
Huge opportunity for Labour to capture much of the middle ground of British politics again.
I like Tom Watson, might make a good PM?
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