How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

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B'stard Child

28,453 posts

247 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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bhstewie said:
frisbee said:
bhstewie said:
The 1922 committee has decided not to change the rules to allow another leadership challenge before the year is up.
The sacrificial goat is still in its death throws. There's still a slim chance they can blame all of this mess on May and survive as a party.
There would be a certain irony in changing the rules so they could get another no-confidence vote because they weren't happy with how the first one turned out I guess.
That would be very funny biggrin

Robertj21a

16,479 posts

106 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
crankedup said:
Is it worse to drink alcohol from a can when on a public service train which forbids drinking alcohol, or ‘keef’ to have a drink on Wetherspoons.? One drinker is a sitting MP and the other an imaginary figure of fun. biggrin
One of her better photos.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Robertj21a said:
One of her better photos.
laugh

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union

frisbee

4,984 posts

111 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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frisbee said:
amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.
Feel better now? smile

B'stard Child

28,453 posts

247 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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amusingduck said:
frisbee said:
amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.
Feel better now? smile
He's not wrong tho based on recent experience biggrin

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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B'stard Child said:
amusingduck said:
frisbee said:
amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.
Feel better now? smile
He's not wrong tho based on recent experience biggrin
Whoops, I misread his post. Sorry frisbee!

gooner1

10,223 posts

180 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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B'stard Child said:
amusingduck said:
frisbee said:
amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.
Feel better now? smile
He's not wrong tho based on recent experience biggrin
Only trouble with that is , May IS the other side.

B'stard Child

28,453 posts

247 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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gooner1 said:
B'stard Child said:
amusingduck said:
frisbee said:
amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.
Feel better now? smile
He's not wrong tho based on recent experience biggrin
Only trouble with that is , May IS the other side.
I don't think she is the other side - she tried to plot a course down the middle - to use a PH approach - driving down the middle of a road you are likely to hit other vehicles biggrin

She's hit pretty much every car in 3 years and still thinks the answer is to continue to drive down the middle wink

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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B'stard Child said:
I don't think she is the other side - she tried to plot a course down the middle - to use a PH approach - driving down the middle of a road you are likely to hit other vehicles biggrin

She's hit pretty much every car in 3 years and still thinks the answer is to continue to drive down the middle wink
Needs to keep left.

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
B'stard Child said:
I don't think she is the other side - she tried to plot a course down the middle - to use a PH approach - driving down the middle of a road you are likely to hit other vehicles biggrin

She's hit pretty much every car in 3 years and still thinks the answer is to continue to drive down the middle wink
Needs to keep left.
Finally you admit Brexit is right!! thumbup

S1KRR

12,548 posts

213 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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FiF said:
Questioning whether Remainers have lost their perspective

It's a yes they have from me, reliance on group think under their comfort blankets and ignoring academic evidence which doesn't fit their agenda, indeed it seems so.

There is some group think and evidence avoidance on Leave shoulders too, but Remain should be asking themselves some questions and not just doubling down with previously failed tactics.
Makes sense from my experience. Look at the vitriol filled posts in this thread from the usual suspects. Who cant debate the point, but just attack the poster. Or the posters source. Then resort to name calling or passive aggression.

As I said elsewhere on the forum, I've had 2 separate first dates in the last few months where the lady in question steered the conversation towards politics, then Brexit and then were visibly twitchy...





...when I explained that I voted Leave. laugh

In both cases they expressed surprise I would do such a thing. I guess I blew their mind (and sadly nothing else biggrin ) by not conforming to their stereotype of a Leave voter who shouted at clouds about "immigrants innit" rolleyes It mattered so much to them that I knew instantly that we wouldn't see each other again.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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bhstewie said:
The 1922 committee has decided not to change the rules to allow another leadership challenge before the year is up.
Spineless turkeys !!! looks like thats it then ...

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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powerstroke said:
bhstewie said:
The 1922 committee has decided not to change the rules to allow another leadership challenge before the year is up.
Spineless turkeys !!! looks like thats it then ...
Is this just the latest choke from the supposedly pro-Brexit half of the Tory party? Looks to me like a tacit acceptance of a soft Brexit post May/Corbyn talks.

gooner1

10,223 posts

180 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
Is this just the latest choke from the supposedly pro-Brexit half of the Tory party? Looks to me like a tacit acceptance of a soft Brexit post May/Corbyn talks.
Tbf, the writing on your breakfast cereal box probably looks like that too.

hidetheelephants

24,551 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
powerstroke said:
bhstewie said:
The 1922 committee has decided not to change the rules to allow another leadership challenge before the year is up.
Spineless turkeys !!! looks like thats it then ...
Is this just the latest choke from the supposedly pro-Brexit half of the Tory party? Looks to me like a tacit acceptance of a soft Brexit post May/Corbyn talks.
Or they actually think that rules matter and should not be meddled with for short term objectives? Unlike the Momentumites who speedily changed the party rules as soon as they got hold of them.

wisbech

2,982 posts

122 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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frisbee said:
amusingduck said:
BBC said:
The US Ambassador to the UK says negotiating a trade deal post-Brexit would be "much more difficult" if the UK is in a customs union with the EU.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48042532/us-ambassador-post-brexit-trade-deal-difficult-with-customs-union
Why? Negotiation with the UK consists of the other side saying what they want and us agreeing to all of it.
From a US POV, us having a CU with the EU limits the amount of advantage they can get us to agree to. They are just upset that the EU is getting first dibs...

paulrockliffe

15,724 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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hidetheelephants said:
Helicopter123 said:
powerstroke said:
bhstewie said:
The 1922 committee has decided not to change the rules to allow another leadership challenge before the year is up.
Spineless turkeys !!! looks like thats it then ...
Is this just the latest choke from the supposedly pro-Brexit half of the Tory party? Looks to me like a tacit acceptance of a soft Brexit post May/Corbyn talks.
Or they actually think that rules matter and should not be meddled with for short term objectives? Unlike the Momentumites who speedily changed the party rules as soon as they got hold of them.
And it's a group where Antoinette Sandbach has a vote, it's hardly the leave wing of the Party.

wc98

10,424 posts

141 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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S1KRR said:
Makes sense from my experience. Look at the vitriol filled posts in this thread from the usual suspects. Who cant debate the point, but just attack the poster. Or the posters source. Then resort to name calling or passive aggression.

As I said elsewhere on the forum, I've had 2 separate first dates in the last few months where the lady in question steered the conversation towards politics, then Brexit and then were visibly twitchy...





...when I explained that I voted Leave. laugh

In both cases they expressed surprise I would do such a thing. I guess I blew their mind (and sadly nothing else biggrin ) by not conforming to their stereotype of a Leave voter who shouted at clouds about "immigrants innit" rolleyes It mattered so much to them that I knew instantly that we wouldn't see each other again.
you need to hold fire on the admission of voting leave until a more interesting time in the relationship. imagine the reaction if one of said ladies was furry handcuffed to the bed ,just on the point of no return and you then tell them you voted leave. ride of your life i would imagine biggrin
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