How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

[psi310398]

Vanden Saab said:

bloody right wing extremist gammon the lot of them. Have the tippers lost anymore racist/ sexist candidates yet or is it just the two?

On that topic, a little quiz courtesy of Guido:

https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/said-chuk-2019-...

[Piha]

psi310398 said:

Vanden Saab said:

bloody right wing extremist gammon the lot of them. Have the tippers lost anymore racist/ sexist candidates yet or is it just the two?

On that topic, a little quiz courtesy of Guido:

https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/said-chuk-2019-...

Ever since Femi Oluwole ripped Guido a new one, anything Guido has to say is completely and utterly irrelevant. Your linked article reinforces this irrelevance.

Here is Femi v Guido.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHQFk166P4


And here is Femi correcting a Brexit Party activist about Farrage's blatant racism.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/femi-...

I invite our PH Farrage fanboy's to watch the last video, it is very good and proves the point perfectly....!!!!

[SeeFive]

Piha said:

Here is Femi v Guido Hugh Bennet, news editor of the website Guido Fawkes.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHQFk166P4

EFURLOA (edited for usual remainer’s lack of accuracy).

[psi310398]

Piha said:

Ever since Femi Oluwole ripped Guido a new one, anything Guido has to say is completely and utterly irrelevant. Your linked article reinforces this irrelevance.

Here is Femi v Guido.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHQFk166P4


And here is Femi correcting a Brexit Party activist about Farrage's blatant racism.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/femi-...

I invite our PH Farrage fanboy's to watch the last video, it is very good and proves the point perfectly....!!!!

I'm not in the business of defending or promoting Farage. He can do that perfectly well himself. But the linked article is largely about TIG candidate views.

So rather than playing the man (i.e. Guido) rather than the ball, perhaps you could enlighten us: either the quotations are true or they are not. Which are untrue (or taken out of context) please?

[Piha]

psi310398 said:

Piha said:

Ever since Femi Oluwole ripped Guido a new one, anything Guido has to say is completely and utterly irrelevant. Your linked article reinforces this irrelevance.

Here is Femi v Guido.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHQFk166P4


And here is Femi correcting a Brexit Party activist about Farrage's blatant racism.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/femi-...

I invite our PH Farrage fanboy's to watch the last video, it is very good and proves the point perfectly....!!!!

I'm not in the business of defending or promoting Farage. He can do that perfectly well himself. But the linked article is largely about TIG candidate views.

So rather than playing the man (i.e. Guido) rather than the ball, perhaps you could enlighten us: either the quotations are true or they are not. Which are untrue (or taken out of context) please?

Did you watch the video?

Here is a clue to its content.....



And whilst we are talking about Farrage, what are your views on Mr Brexit being happily photographed with Fraser Anning?

[psi310398]

Piha said:

Did you watch the video?

No real need to. I know what Farage has said and done. I'm not defending him.

But what on earth does it have to do with the rather fruity views quoted by various TIG candidates? Except to highlight the hypocrisy of those who squawk "But Farage.." at every point and ignore the unsavoury views of others with whom they agree on Brexit.

[Piha]

psi310398 said:

No real need to. I know what Farage has said and done. I'm not defending him.

But what on earth does it have to do with the rather fruity views quoted by various TIG candidates? Except to highlight the hypocrisy of those who squawk "But Farage.." at every point and ignore the unsavoury views of others with whom they agree on Brexit.

IMO anything Guido publishes has to be ignored as Guido's news editor has a distinct agenda and to be an ill-informed rabble rouser at best. Go and have a look at his Twitter content. Femi has demonstrated Guido's and farrage's shortcomings perfectly well.

[psi310398]

Piha said:

IMO anything Guido publishes has to be ignored as Guido's news editor has a distinct agenda and to be an ill-informed rabble rouser at best. Go and have a look at his Twitter content. Femi has demonstrated Guido's and farrage's shortcomings perfectly well.

Yes, he does have an agenda. So does Femi.

So you accept that you are ignoring the content because you dislike the messenger?

[gooner1]

Piha said:

IMO anything Guido publishes has to be ignored as Guido's news editor has a distinct agenda and to be an ill-informed rabble rouser at best. Go and have a look at his Twitter content. Femi has demonstrated Guido's and farrage's shortcomings perfectly well.

For someone that is advocating that Guido be ignored, you seem
to be generating an awful amount of publicity for him.

As for agenda's , what is yours.

[Piha]

psi310398 said:

Piha said:

IMO anything Guido publishes has to be ignored as Guido's news editor has a distinct agenda and to be an ill-informed rabble rouser at best. Go and have a look at his Twitter content. Femi has demonstrated Guido's and farrage's shortcomings perfectly well.

Yes, he does have an agenda. So does Femi.

So you accept that you are ignoring the content because you dislike the messenger?

The questions asked by Guido need to be ignored as the supplier of the questions has an obvious bias. A fool can see this. The videos that I have linked shows 2 people debating and Femi debunks their argument. Guidos questions are tiny snippets of speech and are best ignored. If you think opinions should be made on tiny snippets of speech that can easily be taken out of context, supplied by a bias organisation then that's your prerogative.

When Guido's news editor Hugh, sat opposite his informed political opponent, Femi made Hugh look utterly stupid.

[crankedup]

Jimboka said:

crankedup said:

Almost three years after we won the referendum still remainers cant get to grips with the simple fact of life, they lost.

Lost the battle, but not the war
Face facts, it’s not going to happen

No battle , no war, just politics.

National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.

[Squiddly Diddly]

crankedup said:

No battle , no war, just politics.

National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.

Facts?

Seems to be a lot of assumptions to me.

[SeeFive]

psi310398 said:

Piha said:

IMO anything Guido publishes has to be ignored as Guido's news editor has a distinct agenda and to be an ill-informed rabble rouser at best. Go and have a look at his Twitter content. Femi has demonstrated Guido's and farrage's shortcomings perfectly well.

Yes, he does have an agenda. So does Femi.

So you accept that you are ignoring the content because you dislike the messenger?

Which is why Femi’s 7 year figure stated does not mention the option that it is actually reduced to 3 years should the (in the main) young, fit, male “refugee” marry a German citizen.

https://www.germany-visa.org/german-citizenship/

Not that any of that is relevant. There are difficult conversations to have on immigration and refugees. Simply denying those conversations because of an opinion on an individual is no way forward.

Not being a student of the entire back catalog of Mr Farage’s output, I was always under the impression that he wanted controlled immigration rather than no immigration. I could of course be incorrect. From what I have seen of Femi’s output, he simply wants to shut down discussion which disagrees with his own point of view, and as an example above, misses out key details when making his point to do so. He is of course not alone in that.

It is up to each of us to understand that soundbites are used on both sides and require due diligence. It is also clear that each has an agenda and will present their version of the “facts” to support their argument. This is also typically the angle used on this forum to support a specific agenda of the poster - on each side of the debate.

[gooner1]

Squiddly Diddly said:

Facts?

Seems to be a lot of assumptions to me.

A lot? Could you point them out for us old thicko types, please?

[Piha]

crankedup said:

No battle , no war, just politics.

National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.

Game over......!!! Really...???

How will Farrage enable Brexit unless he is PM? Is it in The Brexit party manifesto to stand in the next GE? Or just the EU elections.

[Piha]

crankedup said:

No battle , no war, just politics.

National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.

Facts you say.........

Didn't a large number of the ERGist and Moggist fundamentalists of tory government vote against Theresa Mays WA, only for some of them to change their minds and then vote for it?

[Piha]

SeeFive said:

Which is why Femi’s 7 year figure stated does not mention the option that it is actually reduced to 3 years should the (in the main) young, fit, male “refugee” marry a German citizen.

https://www.germany-visa.org/german-citizenship/

Not that any of that is relevant. There are difficult conversations to have on immigration and refugees. Simply denying those conversations because of an opinion on an individual is no way forward.

Not being a student of the entire back catalog of Mr Farage’s output, I was always under the impression that he wanted controlled immigration rather than no immigration. I could of course be incorrect. From what I have seen of Femi’s output, he simply wants to shut down discussion which disagrees with his own point of view, and as an example above, misses out key details when making his point to do so. He is of course not alone in that.

It is up to each of us to understand that soundbites are used on both sides and require due diligence. It is also clear that each has an agenda and will present their version of the “facts” to support their argument. This is also typically the angle used on this forum to support a specific agenda of the poster - on each side of the debate.

I believe that immigration and refugee laws in Germany are different.

Does your link and subsequent 3 year citizenship/marriage claim apply to both refugees and non refugee immigrants in Germany?

[crankedup]

Squiddly Diddly said:

crankedup said:

No battle , no war, just politics.

National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.

Facts?

Seems to be a lot of assumptions to me.

Facts are facts. Last line is less fact more of a gloat (sorry about that).

Edited by crankedup on Friday 26th April 10:28

[Piha]

Depressing news about our economy.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldm...

[crankedup]

Piha said:

crankedup said:

No battle , no war, just politics.

National referendum, binary vote, result the U.K. leave the EU.
The EU has a built in set of four fundamentals, we voted to leave that behind.
Both major party’s promised to enact the National referendum result.
Failure of these party’s to enact the promise made will be facing extinction.
Good morning Mr Farage.
Seems to me that those are the facts.
Game over, not enough points scored for another go.

Game over......!!! Really...???

How will Farrage enable Brexit unless he is PM? Is it in The Brexit party manifesto to stand in the next GE? Or just the EU elections.

He can accomplish what he has set out in his speeches.