How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

[JuanCarlosFandango]

gooner1 said:

H,mmmm. IIRC Stufftops also proclaimed to have met at least one Leaver that had changed
their minds, on his daily worldwide escapades.

I think Remainers do have a lot of "conversations" like that:

Taxi driver: To the station?
Remainer: Oooh yes. Going on a stop Brexit rally with some fellow highly intelligent young professionals.
T: OK... Weather has been good recently.
R: Nice EU flag on your number plate! I guess you're pretty strong Remain too?
T: It's just a number plate. It was there when I got it.
R: Ah. (Bristling a bit) But you are a remainer, right? I mean, you're an ethnic minority, under 50, urban...
T: Well actually, I voted Leave...
R: WHAT?? Why the hell did you vote for those lying scumbags? Got your £350m for the NHS yet? I don't THINK so!
T: Well it just seemed...
R: Oh it SEEMED good did it. Who needs FACTS when it SEEMED right?
T: Ok. We'll agree to disagree.
R: So you're part of the Farage CULT are you? You believe everything Saint Boris of Johnson says? HAHAHAHA
T: Not really. I don't trust any of them. It's just...
R: It's just a big MESS because RACIST IDIOTS thought they knew better than qualified experts.
T: It is a mess...
R: Ah so you regret it now do you? Starting to think maybe Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't have all the answers after all???
T: Yeah, that's it.
R: Classic Bregret! This is why we need a second referendum!
T: Safe journey, mate.
R: (Wait until I tell Pistonheads about THIS!)
T: (What a prat)

[gooner1]

Elysium said:

Squiddly Diddly said:

gooner1 said:

Good, now we have established EU elections are a waste of time and money, yet by their
own stupid rules even those that are supposedely leaving, HAVE to take part.

Or do the EU believe that under the current terms, the UK is not truly leaving?

From the EU's perspective the UK has the unilateral right to evoke A50 so it is not unreasonable they insist we take part.

Its not difficult. We are all EU citizens until the UK leaves. The current deadline for that, which is not guaranteed, is Oct 19. The new MEP's must take their seats before then.

So if we do not hold elections, it is likely that EU citizens in the UK would find themselves without democratically elected representatives, which would be unlawful.

It's not the EU's 'stupid rules', they are not being 'difficult' - it is the law.

Ok. It's the EU's stupid law. I never said anyone was being "difficult"
In fact I believe it was your fellow Remainer that questioned the UK's forced participation in the EU' elections. Blame him.

[christian-ohtc3]

bhstewie said:

christian-ohtc3 said:

Looks like the EU are going to investigate Farage over the Banks gifts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nig...

It seems they're pretty limited in what they can do.

Dem's da rules.

Did you think the rules would be a real deterrent they are all filling their boots, the EU is rotten to the core and will never change.

[amusingduck]

christian-ohtc3 said:

bhstewie said:

christian-ohtc3 said:

Looks like the EU are going to investigate Farage over the Banks gifts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nig...

It seems they're pretty limited in what they can do.

Dem's da rules.

Did you think the rules would be a real deterrent they are all filling their boots, the EU is rotten to the core and will never change.

Yes but now it's a scumbag with the wrong opinions who is chugging down gallons of gravy. It simply cannot stand!

We must return to the halcyon days where only pro-EU politicians are involved in dodgy dealings

[bitchstewie]

christian-ohtc3 said:

Dem's da rules.

Did you think the rules would be a real deterrent they are all filling their boots, the EU is rotten to the core and will never change.

I perhaps naively thought the solution may be to pick a demagogue who was different rather than one who decided if you can't beat them join them.

[christian-ohtc3]

bhstewie said:

christian-ohtc3 said:

Dem's da rules.

Did you think the rules would be a real deterrent they are all filling their boots, the EU is rotten to the core and will never change.

I perhaps naively thought the solution may be to pick a demagogue who was different rather than one who decided if you can't beat them join them.

They are all the same MPs and MEPs what is in it for them is what matters, Farage is about the only one that can be trusted to work out getting the UK out of the EU best of a bad bunch.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

gooner1 said:

H,mmmm. IIRC Stufftops also proclaimed to have met at least one Leaver that had changed
their minds, on his daily worldwide escapades.

My money would be a.n. other returnee

I think you're right, he's been subtle to a point but like a leopard this particular poster doesn't change his spots and the giveaways are beginning to show through.

[Crackie]

bhstewie said:

gooner1 said:

It's disappointing that a Party has had to be formed because those entrusted to
carry out the result of a fair and legal Referendum have been incapeable, dishonest,
gutless etc, etc of doing so. TBP is the love child of their incesteous ,
conniving fkery.

There's some truth in that.

I'm not sure the solution is replacing one lying self-serving set of politicians with another.

Agreed...……...but voting for TBP is likely to remind the HoC that most voters in the UK believe that removing an unnecessary layer of lying self-serving set of politicians from Brussels and Strasbourg is the solution.

[Squiddly Diddly]

Crackie said:

Agreed...……...but voting for TBP is likely to remind the HoC that most voters in the UK believe that removing an unnecessary layer of lying self-serving set of politicians from Brussels and Strasbourg is the solution.

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

[TeamD]

Squiddly Diddly said:

Crackie said:

Agreed...……...but voting for TBP is likely to remind the HoC that most voters in the UK believe that removing an unnecessary layer of lying self-serving set of politicians from Brussels and Strasbourg is the solution.

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

Unlikely, but it's pretty obvious that neither will the LibDums, Change or anyone else for that matter. Unless you plan on adding every other parties %s together to create a false impression that they all support remain.

[Tuna]

Elysium said:

Tuna said:

Elysium said:

Our country is better than this.

Than what exactly? Voting for the only party that appears to offer the thing they voted for three years ago?

You've spent the last three years telling Leavers why they don't deserve, can't have or shouldn't be permitted the thing they were offered in a democratic vote, and now you're surprised when they seem to be voting for the same thing again?

You act upset that these people are voting for bigots, when it's people with exactly your attitude who have pushed them to vote that way. You treated their views with contempt and expected what?

I think you have replied to the wrong post. Nothing written here has any relevance to me or the post you quoted.

You're lamenting the current political situation. I'm suggesting that the attitudes you've championed on here are part of the problem.

It's not really a surprise that you don't see how it has any relevance to you. You have the moral high ground and you're against this kind of thing.

[gooner1]

Squiddly Diddly said:

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

[TeamD]

gooner1 said:

Squiddly Diddly said:

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

Your guess is as good as mine

That said, could you imagine the spontaneous combustion of Remainers if >50% of the vote went to TBP?

[Squiddly Diddly]

gooner1 said:

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

You can then claim 'most voters' of course.

[TeamD]

Squiddly Diddly said:

gooner1 said:

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

You can then claim 'most voters' of course.

Which would be indicative of most Remainers talking complete arse gravy. A nice thought but unlikely, might be worth a punt though

[JuanCarlosFandango]

They quite possibly will get over 50% of the seats in the European elections.

[TeamD]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

They quite possibly will get over 50% of the seats in the European elections.

Doesn’t have quite the qudos of over 50% of votes cast though does it?

[Squiddly Diddly]

TeamD said:

Doesn’t have quite the qudos of over 50% of votes cast though does it?

The highest poll so far is 34% I think.

[DeepEnd]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think Remainers do have a lot of "conversations" like that:

Taxi driver: To the station?
Remainer: Oooh yes. Going on a stop Brexit rally with some fellow highly intelligent young professionals.
T: OK... Weather has been good recently.
R: Nice EU flag on your number plate! I guess you're pretty strong Remain too?
T: It's just a number plate. It was there when I got it.
R: Ah. (Bristling a bit) But you are a remainer, right? I mean, you're an ethnic minority, under 50, urban...
T: Well actually, I voted Leave...
R: WHAT?? Why the hell did you vote for those lying scumbags? Got your £350m for the NHS yet? I don't THINK so!
T: Well it just seemed...
R: Oh it SEEMED good did it. Who needs FACTS when it SEEMED right?
T: Ok. We'll agree to disagree.
R: So you're part of the Farage CULT are you? You believe everything Saint Boris of Johnson says? HAHAHAHA
T: Not really. I don't trust any of them. It's just...
R: It's just a big MESS because RACIST IDIOTS thought they knew better than qualified experts.
T: It is a mess...
R: Ah so you regret it now do you? Starting to think maybe Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't have all the answers after all???
T: Yeah, that's it.
R: Classic Bregret! This is why we need a second referendum!
T: Safe journey, mate.
R: (Wait until I tell Pistonheads about THIS!)
T: (What a prat)

It was not like in the uber this week.

The driver brought up the state of politics.

I agreed we were in a mess whilst being vague as to my own views.

He started on how bad brexit was.

I asked him:

- where he was from - Pakistan
- how long had he lived here - 20 yrs
- how he voted (expecting him to say remain given his ranting) - leave
- why did he vote leave - money/NHS

I didn’t provide any view - I certainly didn’t feel inclined to criticise his decision to vote leave - it was obvious he felt bad enough about that already!

He wanted another vote.

I think the one thing the EU elections are going to show is that the country is still very divided - and with the main two parties being decimated and TBP and LibDems doing well it will reinforce the perception the country is still hugely split on brexit. There is not so clear a view to “get on with brexit” with the LibDems rising from virtually nowhere.

The EU election result being focussed on brexit may therefore make another vote more likely as “unfinished business”, to quote Farage.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

TeamD said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

They quite possibly will get over 50% of the seats in the European elections.

Doesn’t have quite the qudos of over 50% of votes cast though does it?

I'm not sure kudos is the objective. It would be very hard to ignore, and if something like 6 million people (35% of 16.5 million, the turn out last time) are prepared to back a brand new party whose only real policy is independence then it should be a worry for Tory and Labour.

The received wisdom that they'll come back to the main two in a general election can't be relied on entirely. As a rough guide, UKIP got 4.2 million votes in the 2014 Euros and converted this to 3.8 million in the GE the following year. And that was against the Tories promising a referendum.

If we have 40 something BP MEPs campaigning for the next 3 years and Tory/Labour continue to disgrace themselves it will be interesting.


Also worth adding that both main parties were flattered in 2015 by the collapse of the Lib Dems. If they are back and pulling Remain voters from the two then it will be a blood bath.

Edited by JuanCarlosFandango on Sunday 19th May 13:20