How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)

[alfie2244]

Tuna said:

DeepEnd said:

So that’s Alf?, Tuna and now Robert claiming I’m another poster - Topstuff?

I’m not.

Is that a thing here? Do I sound similar?

No, not claiming, I just asked. Your posting style is similar and you did rather enter the discussion all guns blazing.

There are a small number of posters who leave, only to turn up again with a different name to distance themselves from previous arguments.

More than happy to accept your word on it, and happy to debate any points you raise (after I've walked the dog).

No not Toptrumps IMO but I do have doubts about not being a "returning member".

[wc98]

Elysium said:

So corruption is OK if the penalities are low?

given the level of it in the eu, they appear to think so.

[wc98]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think Remainers do have a lot of "conversations" like that:

Taxi driver: To the station?
Remainer: Oooh yes. Going on a stop Brexit rally with some fellow highly intelligent young professionals.
T: OK... Weather has been good recently.
R: Nice EU flag on your number plate! I guess you're pretty strong Remain too?
T: It's just a number plate. It was there when I got it.
R: Ah. (Bristling a bit) But you are a remainer, right? I mean, you're an ethnic minority, under 50, urban...
T: Well actually, I voted Leave...
R: WHAT?? Why the hell did you vote for those lying scumbags? Got your £350m for the NHS yet? I don't THINK so!
T: Well it just seemed...
R: Oh it SEEMED good did it. Who needs FACTS when it SEEMED right?
T: Ok. We'll agree to disagree.
R: So you're part of the Farage CULT are you? You believe everything Saint Boris of Johnson says? HAHAHAHA
T: Not really. I don't trust any of them. It's just...
R: It's just a big MESS because RACIST IDIOTS thought they knew better than qualified experts.
T: It is a mess...
R: Ah so you regret it now do you? Starting to think maybe Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't have all the answers after all???
T: Yeah, that's it.
R: Classic Bregret! This is why we need a second referendum!
T: Safe journey, mate.
R: (Wait until I tell Pistonheads about THIS!)
T: (What a prat)

[Welshbeef]

For the first time in my voting lifetime I’m not voting Tory - Brexit Party instead.

Never thought that would happen.

Tory’s will need to fight hard for my vote back next time else it will be a no vote from me

[JuanCarlosFandango]

DeepEnd said:

It was not like in the uber this week.

The driver brought up the state of politics.

I agreed we were in a mess whilst being vague as to my own views.

He started on how bad brexit was.

I asked him:

- where he was from - Pakistan
- how long had he lived here - 20 yrs
- how he voted (expecting him to say remain given his ranting) - leave
- why did he vote leave - money/NHS

I didn’t provide any view - I certainly didn’t feel inclined to criticise his decision to vote leave - it was obvious he felt bad enough about that already!

He wanted another vote.

I think the one thing the EU elections are going to show is that the country is still very divided - and with the main two parties being decimated and TBP and LibDems doing well it will reinforce the perception the country is still hugely split on brexit. There is not so clear a view to “get on with brexit” with the LibDems rising from virtually nowhere.

The EU election result being focussed on brexit may therefore make another vote more likely as “unfinished business”, to quote Farage.

Who is he voting for then?

If the Lib Dems carry the 15-18% they've been polling it might show a market for Remain. It might also show dissatisfaction with the SNP and the main two as well.

However even if it does show people abandoning the main two down the Brexit fault line 15% and a dozen MEPs will be a footnote to 30% + and 40 MEPs for BP. Unlikely to push Labour or Conservatives towards Remaining.

[Norfolkit]

TeamD said:

gooner1 said:

Squiddly Diddly said:

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

Your guess is as good as mine

That said, could you imagine the spontaneous combustion of Remainers if >50% of the vote went to TBP?

They'd then trot out the usual "it's not 50% of the electorate though is it", all non voters are counted as remainers (by remainers anyway), only death or Glastonbury would keep them away <insert other excuse of your choice>.

[TeamD]

Norfolkit said:

TeamD said:

gooner1 said:

Squiddly Diddly said:

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

Your guess is as good as mine

That said, could you imagine the spontaneous combustion of Remainers if >50% of the vote went to TBP?

They'd then trot out the usual "it's not 50% of the electorate though is it", all non voters are counted as remainers (by remainers anyway), only death or Glastonbury would keep them away <insert other excuse of your choice>.

Oooo! That's an idea, could we organise then next GE to be during Glastonbury? We'd get the added bonus of half the BBC having fked off as well

[wc98]

alfie2244 said:

Tuna said:

DeepEnd said:

So that’s Alf?, Tuna and now Robert claiming I’m another poster - Topstuff?

I’m not.

Is that a thing here? Do I sound similar?

No, not claiming, I just asked. Your posting style is similar and you did rather enter the discussion all guns blazing.

There are a small number of posters who leave, only to turn up again with a different name to distance themselves from previous arguments.

More than happy to accept your word on it, and happy to debate any points you raise (after I've walked the dog).

No not Toptrumps IMO but I do have doubts about not being a "returning member".

easy one this time imo. /// ymmv

[S1KRR]

DeepEnd said:

I didn’t provide any view - I certainly didn’t feel inclined to criticise his decision to vote leave...

Yet you are quite happy to criticise people on here...



I hope you at least told him he was a racist for voting Leave!

[gooner1]

S1KRR said:

DeepEnd said:

I didn’t provide any view - I certainly didn’t feel inclined to criticise his decision to vote leave...

Yet you are quite happy to criticise people on here...



I hope you at least told him he was a racist for voting Leave!

[alfie2244]

gooner1 said:

S1KRR said:

DeepEnd said:

I didn’t provide any view - I certainly didn’t feel inclined to criticise his decision to vote leave...

Yet you are quite happy to criticise people on here...



I hope you at least told him he was a racist for voting Leave!

[DeepEnd]

S1KRR said:

Yet you are quite happy to criticise people on here...



I hope you at least told him he was a racist for voting Leave!

Who have I criticised on here?

I haven’t criticised anyone.

[bitchstewie]

Interesting article with some mention of some of the Queen's previous comments on Europe to the then German ambassador.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/19/th...

[loafer123]

I am guessing Her Majesty is a fan of the Single Market, but not an EU superstate.

[TeamD]

bhstewie said:

Interesting article with some mention of some of the Queen's previous comments on Europe to the then German ambassador.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/19/th...

And Queenie can keep her snout out of politics can't she?

[S1KRR]

bhstewie said:

Interesting article with some mention of some of the Queen's previous comments on Europe to the then German ambassador.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/19/th...

Yes, in 1988. I would have said the same thing. Crikey I would have said the same up to the millennium.

It was the early 00s when the EU started to become untenable imo

[gooner1]

bhstewie said:

Interesting article with some mention of some of the Queen's previous comments on Europe to the then German ambassador.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/19/th...

A bit tenuous ain't it?

Not a mention of the EU there, which considering it didn't evolve from the EEC
until 1993 is not really surprising.

[Elysium]

Tuna said:

Elysium said:

Tuna said:

Elysium said:

Our country is better than this.

Than what exactly? Voting for the only party that appears to offer the thing they voted for three years ago?

You've spent the last three years telling Leavers why they don't deserve, can't have or shouldn't be permitted the thing they were offered in a democratic vote, and now you're surprised when they seem to be voting for the same thing again?

You act upset that these people are voting for bigots, when it's people with exactly your attitude who have pushed them to vote that way. You treated their views with contempt and expected what?

I think you have replied to the wrong post. Nothing written here has any relevance to me or the post you quoted.

You're lamenting the current political situation. I'm suggesting that the attitudes you've championed on here are part of the problem.

It's not really a surprise that you don't see how it has any relevance to you. You have the moral high ground and you're against this kind of thing.

No. Still utterly and completely wrong.

[Elysium]

Norfolkit said:

TeamD said:

gooner1 said:

Squiddly Diddly said:

Are they going to receive more than 50% of the EU election vote then?

Why?
What happens if more than 50% of voters vote for something?

Your guess is as good as mine

That said, could you imagine the spontaneous combustion of Remainers if >50% of the vote went to TBP?

They'd then trot out the usual "it's not 50% of the electorate though is it", all non voters are counted as remainers (by remainers anyway), only death or Glastonbury would keep them away <insert other excuse of your choice>.

Or, if you open you mind, perhaps you could accept that is why some people want a second referendum.

I can accept leaving the EU with no deal and the potential disruption that will bring if it is the will of the majority. We have no idea if that is the case. If Farage polls more than 50% of the EU election votes, that would suggest it may be, but a second ref is the only way to be sure.

Meanwhile, no-one, including Nigel, has solved the Northern Ireland issues that at this point make no-deal impossible.

[Robertj21a]

Elysium said:

Or, if you open you mind, perhaps you could accept that is why some people want a second referendum.

I can accept leaving the EU with no deal and the potential disruption that will bring if it is the will of the majority. We have no idea if that is the case. If Farage polls more than 50% of the EU election votes, that would suggest it may be, but a second ref is the only way to be sure.

Meanwhile, no-one, including Nigel, has solved the Northern Ireland issues that at this point make no-deal impossible.

Sorry, you're just getting ridiculously boring now.

We had the vote back in 2016. Most evidence suggests that little has changed since that time, so there's no need to go back for your beloved 2nd/3rd/15th referendum. I'd be the first to agree with you if there had been an obvious, sizeable, shift since 2016 - there hasn't.

You're just sounding like an old record that got stuck in a groove. Despite your regular protests to the contrary, you come over as just like those Remainers who simply won't accept the decision, after a democratic vote.