How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)
Discussion
Tuna said:
Yes, and the government has been making so called 'mini-agreements' covering stuff like aircraft, medicines, visas and driving permits for the last nine months or so. That is the 'managed' part and doesn't need anything written into a withdrawal agreement. You don't do a deal to have no deal.
That's not to say it's plain sailing, and I believe there is backlog of the legislation parliament would need to pass to be legally ready for no deal. We'd need to 'roll over' various agreements into UK law as they're currently made through the EU. Equally, the problems for things like medicine companies based in the UK supplying into the EU are quite real - they'd have to re-apply for permits for their products. Interestingly though, this was one of the areas the German Economic Institute picked out as a huge opportunity for growth in the event of No Deal as the current tariff regimes are apparently quite restrictive for pharmaceutical companies. Not my area though, so I've not got much information on that.
But the idea that no preparations have been done, or that we need to negotiate with the EU in order to be able to leave with No Deal is obviously untrue.
But we do need to negotiate, and apparently have been, for a managed no deal.That's not to say it's plain sailing, and I believe there is backlog of the legislation parliament would need to pass to be legally ready for no deal. We'd need to 'roll over' various agreements into UK law as they're currently made through the EU. Equally, the problems for things like medicine companies based in the UK supplying into the EU are quite real - they'd have to re-apply for permits for their products. Interestingly though, this was one of the areas the German Economic Institute picked out as a huge opportunity for growth in the event of No Deal as the current tariff regimes are apparently quite restrictive for pharmaceutical companies. Not my area though, so I've not got much information on that.
But the idea that no preparations have been done, or that we need to negotiate with the EU in order to be able to leave with No Deal is obviously untrue.
s2art said:
Mrr T said:
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.
Nope. The visa waiver program allows up to 90 days.https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/temporary-employmen...
Tuna said:
Yes, and the government has been making so called 'mini-agreements' covering stuff like aircraft, medicines, visas and driving permits for the last nine months or so. That is the 'managed' part and doesn't need anything written into a withdrawal agreement. You don't do a deal to have no deal.
The UK has signed a number of agreements but none with the EU. Mrr T said:
s2art said:
Mrr T said:
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.
Nope. The visa waiver program allows up to 90 days.https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/temporary-employmen...
loafer123 said:
Mrr T said:
s2art said:
Mrr T said:
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.
Nope. The visa waiver program allows up to 90 days.https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/temporary-employmen...
In my time have done both, even the non immigrant visa was a relatively straightforward process, but then to be fair the government wanted my knowledge. The security procedures and checks for such as Oak Ridge Labs and Y-12 were, understandably, fairly onerous.
But there's nothing like throwing a bit of a fear message out there by leaving out the balance.
Tuna said:
Squiddly Diddly said:
I thought the 'managed' part referred to stuff like aircraft until the UK is in a position to assume responsibility. WTO is just trade.
Yes, and the government has been making so called 'mini-agreements' covering stuff like aircraft, medicines, visas and driving permits for the last nine months or so. That is the 'managed' part and doesn't need anything written into a withdrawal agreement. You don't do a deal to have no deal.That's not to say it's plain sailing, and I believe there is backlog of the legislation parliament would need to pass to be legally ready for no deal. We'd need to 'roll over' various agreements into UK law as they're currently made through the EU. Equally, the problems for things like medicine companies based in the UK supplying into the EU are quite real - they'd have to re-apply for permits for their products. Interestingly though, this was one of the areas the German Economic Institute picked out as a huge opportunity for growth in the event of No Deal as the current tariff regimes are apparently quite restrictive for pharmaceutical companies. Not my area though, so I've not got much information on that.
But the idea that no preparations have been done, or that we need to negotiate with the EU in order to be able to leave with No Deal is obviously untrue.
It’s called taking back control apparently.
FiF said:
loafer123 said:
Mrr T said:
s2art said:
Mrr T said:
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.
Nope. The visa waiver program allows up to 90 days.https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/temporary-employmen...
In my time have done both, even the non immigrant visa was a relatively straightforward process, but then to be fair the government wanted my knowledge. The security procedures and checks for such as Oak Ridge Labs and Y-12 were, understandably, fairly onerous.
Mrr T said:
SeeFive said:
It is a while back, but I don’t remember having to have a visa to travel from my permanent UK address to work in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Denmark, Italy etc for short visits prior to the E.U. being formed in its current state. My brother drove HGVs internationally before I started working abroad and he didn’t either.
I do currently need a visitor visa for the USA, Australia New Zealand, Middle East etc, but not a work visa for short visits to work there. Might be different if the period of work exceeded the 183 days (or whatever the country states) as a valid period to be non resident in their country. We have that now even in E.U. countries, I can’t live or work in Spain for longer than 183 days per year without registering on the Padron.
So I guess unless the E.U. get s
tty and make that a problem for UK people working in their jurisdiction, we probably won’t either. It is kind of reciprocal.
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.I do currently need a visitor visa for the USA, Australia New Zealand, Middle East etc, but not a work visa for short visits to work there. Might be different if the period of work exceeded the 183 days (or whatever the country states) as a valid period to be non resident in their country. We have that now even in E.U. countries, I can’t live or work in Spain for longer than 183 days per year without registering on the Padron.
So I guess unless the E.U. get s
tty and make that a problem for UK people working in their jurisdiction, we probably won’t either. It is kind of reciprocal.And then she said:
FiF said:
loafer123 said:
Mrr T said:
s2art said:
Mrr T said:
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.
Nope. The visa waiver program allows up to 90 days.https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/temporary-employmen...
In my time have done both, even the non immigrant visa was a relatively straightforward process, but then to be fair the government wanted my knowledge. The security procedures and checks for such as Oak Ridge Labs and Y-12 were, understandably, fairly onerous.
SeeFive said:
Mrr T said:
SeeFive said:
It is a while back, but I don’t remember having to have a visa to travel from my permanent UK address to work in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Denmark, Italy etc for short visits prior to the E.U. being formed in its current state. My brother drove HGVs internationally before I started working abroad and he didn’t either.
I do currently need a visitor visa for the USA, Australia New Zealand, Middle East etc, but not a work visa for short visits to work there. Might be different if the period of work exceeded the 183 days (or whatever the country states) as a valid period to be non resident in their country. We have that now even in E.U. countries, I can’t live or work in Spain for longer than 183 days per year without registering on the Padron.
So I guess unless the E.U. get stty and make that a problem for UK people working in their jurisdiction, we probably won’t either. It is kind of reciprocal.
If you are suggesting you are visiting the US on a visitor visa but doing some work while you are there then you are breaching US law. You need a work visa to work even for1 day. Do you remember Top Gear where stopped from filming.I do currently need a visitor visa for the USA, Australia New Zealand, Middle East etc, but not a work visa for short visits to work there. Might be different if the period of work exceeded the 183 days (or whatever the country states) as a valid period to be non resident in their country. We have that now even in E.U. countries, I can’t live or work in Spain for longer than 183 days per year without registering on the Padron.
So I guess unless the E.U. get s
tty and make that a problem for UK people working in their jurisdiction, we probably won’t either. It is kind of reciprocal.https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-waiver-program...
"Travelers seeking to enter the United States for business or tourism (B-1/B-2 visa), or in transit (C-1) for less than 90 days may be eligible to travel to the United States visa free under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) if they meet specific requirements.
The VWP cannot be used if your purpose of travel is to study for credit, employment, work as foreign press, radio, film, journalists, or other information media, or take up permanent residence."
I think the Top Gear thing was a disagreement as to the nature of the work they were undertaking on the visas they did have, ie factual programme Vs entertainment or something like that. At a guess the stumbling block was that iirc TG was classed as entertainment and therefore plenty of US residents available for employment to do the work.
The original point which has got folks frothing and throwing up their hands in a it's all so difficult tactic, is that it's actually not difficult, you just have to understand the rules and not b-s your way through. Eg going in on a tourist visa or VWP and then doing work for your UK employer after having told US immigration agent you were there for tourism would get you in trouble if found out. So you simply tell the truth having done due diligence on what is / is not allowed.
wisbech said:
Sway said:
Shame the immigration officer in the US, upon being told I was visiting for a work conference and to visit the US offices a little while ago, didn't know that...
Standard ESTA being travelled on.
That’s business, not work...Standard ESTA being travelled on.
I had no problem in civvy, military or government over there. Scenarios were like the Italian lorry driver in the initial question rather than getting a job in a bar I guess.
Fittster said:
Leicester Loyal said:
paulrockliffe said:
Norfolkit said:
How low can she go, I don't think there's anything she won't do to to get her retarded deal through. She's going to destroy the Tories if thery're not careful, she needs to be shown the door tonight.
It's already finished, they'll not recover from this now.In the meantime parliamentary arithmetic, combined with the local election, EU election results and polling numbers going only one way may well cause the Conservatives to split with MPs moving to the Brexit party as they understand that it's a lost cause now.
My view is that we can't leave the EU this side of a General Election, because the Government and Parliament won't allow it, something parliament and remainiacs will come regret once it's all played out.
jonnyb said:
Tuna said:
Squiddly Diddly said:
I thought the 'managed' part referred to stuff like aircraft until the UK is in a position to assume responsibility. WTO is just trade.
Yes, and the government has been making so called 'mini-agreements' covering stuff like aircraft, medicines, visas and driving permits for the last nine months or so. That is the 'managed' part and doesn't need anything written into a withdrawal agreement. You don't do a deal to have no deal.That's not to say it's plain sailing, and I believe there is backlog of the legislation parliament would need to pass to be legally ready for no deal. We'd need to 'roll over' various agreements into UK law as they're currently made through the EU. Equally, the problems for things like medicine companies based in the UK supplying into the EU are quite real - they'd have to re-apply for permits for their products. Interestingly though, this was one of the areas the German Economic Institute picked out as a huge opportunity for growth in the event of No Deal as the current tariff regimes are apparently quite restrictive for pharmaceutical companies. Not my area though, so I've not got much information on that.
But the idea that no preparations have been done, or that we need to negotiate with the EU in order to be able to leave with No Deal is obviously untrue.
It’s called taking back control apparently.
EU said:
The proposed measures are specific, limited and targeted at remedying the negative impact of a disorderly withdrawal or at enabling the necessary adaptation of the legislation.
If you do not understand the difference between proposing something and telling someone something, I can only assume you have never been married.And now the numbers are up from about 30 Tory rebels last time round to 56 after she's provided the vehicle for the Customs Union and a second referendum. In trying to get this st-show through she's offered everyone something, but missed that in doing that she's given everyone a better reason not to vote for it as well.
Is she going to bring this back? If she doesn't, she must resign now surely? This time? I mean she everyone must run out of brass neck eventually? Right?
t-show through she's offered everyone something, but missed that in doing that she's given everyone a better reason not to vote for it as well.Is she going to bring this back? If she doesn't, she must resign now surely? This time? I mean she everyone must run out of brass neck eventually? Right?
SeeFive said:
wisbech said:
Sway said:
Shame the immigration officer in the US, upon being told I was visiting for a work conference and to visit the US offices a little while ago, didn't know that...
Standard ESTA being travelled on.
That’s business, not work...Standard ESTA being travelled on.
I had no problem in civvy, military or government over there. Scenarios were like the Italian lorry driver in the initial question rather than getting a job in a bar I guess.
paulrockliffe said:
...Is she going to bring this back? If she doesn't, she must resign now surely? This time? I mean she everyone must run out of brass neck eventually? Right?
I wouldn't like to place a bet on it. She is quite extraordinarily deluded. I cannot begin to comprehend what has been going through her mind to get to get to this point. I do think she became fixated a long time ago that getting her wretched WA through parliament would somehow mean her premiership was a success but even if that is so it is even harder to comprehend why the Cabinet continue to support it and the rest of the Conservative party continue to sit by and let it go on.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff