How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)
Discussion
mikal83 said:
Mrr T said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Its now nice and simple.
The Parliamentary Conservative Party now have approx 17 hours to stand any chance of saving face in the Euro election by getting May out. When the results have come in the joke is I think she’ll be gone anyway. But by then the damage will be done and long term there probably won’t be any coming back.
So not only will Brexit drag on and on but we won’t have a party that can gain an overall parliamentary majority for years to come and we can look forward to yearly elections as sparsely organised coalitions rise and fall.
Anarchy for the UK, it’s coming sometime and maybe.....
Not sure about anarchy. Not sure many breiters would know how to do anarchy. I expect they will stick to what they know and complain about everyone and blame every one else.The Parliamentary Conservative Party now have approx 17 hours to stand any chance of saving face in the Euro election by getting May out. When the results have come in the joke is I think she’ll be gone anyway. But by then the damage will be done and long term there probably won’t be any coming back.
So not only will Brexit drag on and on but we won’t have a party that can gain an overall parliamentary majority for years to come and we can look forward to yearly elections as sparsely organised coalitions rise and fall.
Anarchy for the UK, it’s coming sometime and maybe.....
Squiddly Diddly said:
The impossible just got a lot more possible 
Wonderful news!
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Guy Verhofstadt 
Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Russia will destroy the European Union, according to a chief Brexit negotiator in Brussels.
Guy Verhofstadt has told The Times the rise of populism and the far-right could bring down the Union by 2024 if they cannot be replaced by a 'new vision of the EU'.
The former Belgian Prime Minister, 66, compared Boris Johnson to France's Marine Le Pen, as he emerged as the favourite to replace Theresa May.
Mr Verhofstadt slammed his regular European Parliament enemy Nigel Farage, claiming he secretly doesn't want Brexit to happen as it would make him irrelevant.
His scathing attack also included accusations that Russia has been manipulating the European elections - 'like they did with the Brexit referendum'.
Not seen that? The rantings of a fanatic! Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Russia will destroy the European Union, according to a chief Brexit negotiator in Brussels.
Guy Verhofstadt has told The Times the rise of populism and the far-right could bring down the Union by 2024 if they cannot be replaced by a 'new vision of the EU'.
The former Belgian Prime Minister, 66, compared Boris Johnson to France's Marine Le Pen, as he emerged as the favourite to replace Theresa May.
Mr Verhofstadt slammed his regular European Parliament enemy Nigel Farage, claiming he secretly doesn't want Brexit to happen as it would make him irrelevant.
His scathing attack also included accusations that Russia has been manipulating the European elections - 'like they did with the Brexit referendum'.
Mrr T said:
mikal83 said:
Mrr T said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Its now nice and simple.
The Parliamentary Conservative Party now have approx 17 hours to stand any chance of saving face in the Euro election by getting May out. When the results have come in the joke is I think she’ll be gone anyway. But by then the damage will be done and long term there probably won’t be any coming back.
So not only will Brexit drag on and on but we won’t have a party that can gain an overall parliamentary majority for years to come and we can look forward to yearly elections as sparsely organised coalitions rise and fall.
Anarchy for the UK, it’s coming sometime and maybe.....
Not sure about anarchy. Not sure many breiters would know how to do anarchy. I expect they will stick to what they know and complain about everyone and blame every one else.The Parliamentary Conservative Party now have approx 17 hours to stand any chance of saving face in the Euro election by getting May out. When the results have come in the joke is I think she’ll be gone anyway. But by then the damage will be done and long term there probably won’t be any coming back.
So not only will Brexit drag on and on but we won’t have a party that can gain an overall parliamentary majority for years to come and we can look forward to yearly elections as sparsely organised coalitions rise and fall.
Anarchy for the UK, it’s coming sometime and maybe.....
breiters = Brexiters?
Not that it really matters anymore. This has now gone beyond in/out, stay/remain, Corbyn/May or Left/right. Both sides need to look at the much bigger picture and that it isn't looking too good.
A political party that basically didn't exist 6 months ago is now running at very close to 40% in the polls. Stop with the pointless bickering and think about that for a moment.
Even with all the baggage that Farage brings to the party or the stigma that still hangs over admitting to wanting to vote for him, when people get called for these polls, they are saying that its the Brexit Party they want to vote for. Okay, I'll admit that a lot of polls can be very wrong (you only have to look the Australians a couple of weeks ago to see that.) but if they are right it will mean that the Brexit Party will be one of the very biggest in the EU parliament. So think about what means for a moment too.
Those EUMPs will be taking office based on a false hoodhood This isn't about Brexit anymore, its about the whole of Parliamentary system lying to us & the only people feel they get the Parliamentary system's attention is by giving them the biggest f
k you they can at the ballot box. This is about basic democracy. Rightly or wrongly, the people voted to leave by a small margin. They answered the question they were asked. The Parliamentary system decided that this was the wrong answer & for our own good we should be managed into something that the majority no matter how small, didn't vote for. But again that now isn't the point.Everyone has watched them all bicker, plot, connive, conspire, mis-lead, change allegiance, goad, coerce and gloat on live TV, proving once and for all they all believe that they are back in the 6th form common room and its all just about points scoring and oneupmanship. No one is brave enough or strong enough to do whats best for the country before whats best for their career. The opinion of the public (or at least the ones I know.) is that they all need to go. They are corrupted, they are arrogant and they think the general public are idiots. This is why people are saying they are going to vote for Farage.
But here comes the problem. With both the Conservative and Labour parties getting kicked in the nuts, who is to say that at the next GE someone else won't be able to put another populist party together in a few short weeks and although their manifesto might still feature a "drain the swamp" process, some of their policies might not be so pleasant for a sane person to swallow. However if the two former mainstays of British politics find the only way to get into power that they clearly love above any duty to the actual electorate means they might have to start doing deals with assorted devils, who is to know where it might lead?
My thought would be down some very dark corridors indeed...
KnowwhatImean.....
The Hypno-Toad said:
Before I go off on one, I voted remain. Principally because I thought it would be the best for the country but also I didn't want us to be known as the country that started the collapse of the EU for the next 200 years. Eventually all great treaties get broken and us leaving might have been the catalyst that caused it. That worked out well, didn't it?
breiters = Brexiters?
Not that it really matters anymore. This has now gone beyond in/out, stay/remain, Corbyn/May or Left/right. Both sides need to look at the much bigger picture and that it isn't looking too good.
A political party that basically didn't exist 6 months ago is now running at very close to 40% in the polls. Stop with the pointless bickering and think about that for a moment.
Even with all the baggage that Farage brings to the party or the stigma that still hangs over admitting to wanting to vote for him, when people get called for these polls, they are saying that its the Brexit Party they want to vote for. Okay, I'll admit that a lot of polls can be very wrong (you only have to look the Australians a couple of weeks ago to see that.) but if they are right it will mean that the Brexit Party will be one of the very biggest in the EU parliament. So think about what means for a moment too.
Those EUMPs will be taking office based on a false hoodhood This isn't about Brexit anymore, its about the whole of Parliamentary system lying to us & the only people feel they get the Parliamentary system's attention is by giving them the biggest fk you they can at the ballot box. This is about basic democracy. Rightly or wrongly, the people voted to leave by a small margin. They answered the question they were asked. The Parliamentary system decided that this was the wrong answer & for our own good we should be managed into something that the majority no matter how small, didn't vote for. But again that now isn't the point.
Everyone has watched them all bicker, plot, connive, conspire, mis-lead, change allegiance, goad, coerce and gloat on live TV, proving once and for all they all believe that they are back in the 6th form common room and its all just about points scoring and oneupmanship. No one is brave enough or strong enough to do whats best for the country before whats best for their career. The opinion of the public (or at least the ones I know.) is that they all need to go. They are corrupted, they are arrogant and they think the general public are idiots. This is why people are saying they are going to vote for Farage.
But here comes the problem. With both the Conservative and Labour parties getting kicked in the nuts, who is to say that at the next GE someone else won't be able to put another populist party together in a few short weeks and although their manifesto might still feature a "drain the swamp" process, some of their policies might not be so pleasant for a sane person to swallow. However if the two former mainstays of British politics find the only way to get into power that they clearly love above any duty to the actual electorate means they might have to start doing deals with assorted devils, who is to know where it might lead?
My thought would be down some very dark corridors indeed...
KnowwhatImean.....
Good post - but to be honest the attitude of the majority of the HoC has brought them to where we are now - how they dig themselves out of the sbreiters = Brexiters?
Not that it really matters anymore. This has now gone beyond in/out, stay/remain, Corbyn/May or Left/right. Both sides need to look at the much bigger picture and that it isn't looking too good.
A political party that basically didn't exist 6 months ago is now running at very close to 40% in the polls. Stop with the pointless bickering and think about that for a moment.
Even with all the baggage that Farage brings to the party or the stigma that still hangs over admitting to wanting to vote for him, when people get called for these polls, they are saying that its the Brexit Party they want to vote for. Okay, I'll admit that a lot of polls can be very wrong (you only have to look the Australians a couple of weeks ago to see that.) but if they are right it will mean that the Brexit Party will be one of the very biggest in the EU parliament. So think about what means for a moment too.
Those EUMPs will be taking office based on a false hoodhood This isn't about Brexit anymore, its about the whole of Parliamentary system lying to us & the only people feel they get the Parliamentary system's attention is by giving them the biggest f
k you they can at the ballot box. This is about basic democracy. Rightly or wrongly, the people voted to leave by a small margin. They answered the question they were asked. The Parliamentary system decided that this was the wrong answer & for our own good we should be managed into something that the majority no matter how small, didn't vote for. But again that now isn't the point.Everyone has watched them all bicker, plot, connive, conspire, mis-lead, change allegiance, goad, coerce and gloat on live TV, proving once and for all they all believe that they are back in the 6th form common room and its all just about points scoring and oneupmanship. No one is brave enough or strong enough to do whats best for the country before whats best for their career. The opinion of the public (or at least the ones I know.) is that they all need to go. They are corrupted, they are arrogant and they think the general public are idiots. This is why people are saying they are going to vote for Farage.
But here comes the problem. With both the Conservative and Labour parties getting kicked in the nuts, who is to say that at the next GE someone else won't be able to put another populist party together in a few short weeks and although their manifesto might still feature a "drain the swamp" process, some of their policies might not be so pleasant for a sane person to swallow. However if the two former mainstays of British politics find the only way to get into power that they clearly love above any duty to the actual electorate means they might have to start doing deals with assorted devils, who is to know where it might lead?
My thought would be down some very dark corridors indeed...
KnowwhatImean.....
t will be “interesting”
The Hypno-Toad said:
Sensible stuff
I'm amazed they've learnt absolutely fking zero from our last European elections, Brexit or even Trump.Completely f
king clueless. Their only counter to Farage again is to virtue signal and associate anyone that might vote for him as a racist and xenophobe. How did that work out last time?!Jesus, he was irrelevant until a few months ago and they just keep feeding the monster. How are they so thick as to not see that. They can't see past the end of their crooked noses apparently.
egor110 said:
digimeistter said:
I have yet to hear any positives FOR staying in the EU?
The whole change from within is never going to happen, so come on Remainers, convince us?
Why ?The whole change from within is never going to happen, so come on Remainers, convince us?
There isn’t a 2nd referendum so it makes no difference.
The sad thing is agree or disagree with Farage and Brexit this situation was entirely predictable and the main parties have entirely caused this. It's an equal and opposite reaction to all the decisions and attitudes the majority of MPs and parties have taken. None of this has sprung from a vacuum
MDMetal said:
The sad thing is agree or disagree with Farage and Brexit this situation was entirely predictable and the main parties have entirely caused this. It's an equal and opposite reaction to all the decisions and attitudes the majority of MPs and parties have taken. None of this has sprung from a vacuum
I seem to remember that not so long ago on here, anyone that predicted a backlash if a "proper" Brexit wasn't made were laughed at...........well they aren't laughing now 
The Hypno-Toad said:
Mrr T said:
mikal83 said:
Mrr T said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Its now nice and simple.
The Parliamentary Conservative Party now have approx 17 hours to stand any chance of saving face in the Euro election by getting May out. When the results have come in the joke is I think she’ll be gone anyway. But by then the damage will be done and long term there probably won’t be any coming back.
So not only will Brexit drag on and on but we won’t have a party that can gain an overall parliamentary majority for years to come and we can look forward to yearly elections as sparsely organised coalitions rise and fall.
Anarchy for the UK, it’s coming sometime and maybe.....
Not sure about anarchy. Not sure many breiters would know how to do anarchy. I expect they will stick to what they know and complain about everyone and blame every one else.The Parliamentary Conservative Party now have approx 17 hours to stand any chance of saving face in the Euro election by getting May out. When the results have come in the joke is I think she’ll be gone anyway. But by then the damage will be done and long term there probably won’t be any coming back.
So not only will Brexit drag on and on but we won’t have a party that can gain an overall parliamentary majority for years to come and we can look forward to yearly elections as sparsely organised coalitions rise and fall.
Anarchy for the UK, it’s coming sometime and maybe.....
breiters = Brexiters?
Not that it really matters anymore. This has now gone beyond in/out, stay/remain, Corbyn/May or Left/right. Both sides need to look at the much bigger picture and that it isn't looking too good.
A political party that basically didn't exist 6 months ago is now running at very close to 40% in the polls. Stop with the pointless bickering and think about that for a moment.
Even with all the baggage that Farage brings to the party or the stigma that still hangs over admitting to wanting to vote for him, when people get called for these polls, they are saying that its the Brexit Party they want to vote for. Okay, I'll admit that a lot of polls can be very wrong (you only have to look the Australians a couple of weeks ago to see that.) but if they are right it will mean that the Brexit Party will be one of the very biggest in the EU parliament. So think about what means for a moment too.
Those EUMPs will be taking office based on a false hoodhood This isn't about Brexit anymore, its about the whole of Parliamentary system lying to us & the only people feel they get the Parliamentary system's attention is by giving them the biggest f
k you they can at the ballot box. This is about basic democracy. Rightly or wrongly, the people voted to leave by a small margin. They answered the question they were asked. The Parliamentary system decided that this was the wrong answer & for our own good we should be managed into something that the majority no matter how small, didn't vote for. But again that now isn't the point.Everyone has watched them all bicker, plot, connive, conspire, mis-lead, change allegiance, goad, coerce and gloat on live TV, proving once and for all they all believe that they are back in the 6th form common room and its all just about points scoring and oneupmanship. No one is brave enough or strong enough to do whats best for the country before whats best for their career. The opinion of the public (or at least the ones I know.) is that they all need to go. They are corrupted, they are arrogant and they think the general public are idiots. This is why people are saying they are going to vote for Farage.
But here comes the problem. With both the Conservative and Labour parties getting kicked in the nuts, who is to say that at the next GE someone else won't be able to put another populist party together in a few short weeks and although their manifesto might still feature a "drain the swamp" process, some of their policies might not be so pleasant for a sane person to swallow. However if the two former mainstays of British politics find the only way to get into power that they clearly love above any duty to the actual electorate means they might have to start doing deals with assorted devils, who is to know where it might lead?
My thought would be down some very dark corridors indeed...
KnowwhatImean.....
egor110 said:
digimeistter said:
I have yet to hear any positives FOR staying in the EU?
The whole change from within is never going to happen, so come on Remainers, convince us?
Why ?The whole change from within is never going to happen, so come on Remainers, convince us?
There isn’t a 2nd referendum so it makes no difference.
Why do you want to remain? We've had 10+ volumes with numerous reasons to leave and yet still nobody has explained why we should stay. ( apart from the old doom and gloom obviously)
With the Brexit Party success being so heavily telegraphed, it wouldn't be surprising if there's a bigger pro-EU vote tomorrow.
Whatever the result, TBP's rise suggests that just about every Remain tactic we've seen during this campaign has had the complete opposite effect to the one intended.
Whatever the result, TBP's rise suggests that just about every Remain tactic we've seen during this campaign has had the complete opposite effect to the one intended.
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