Man jailed for sexual activity with fake 19 year old
Discussion
Nickgnome said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Nickgnome said:
Roman Rhodes said:
dudleybloke said:
Will the girl be prosecuted for fraud by misrepresentation?
Of course not.
That's fOf course not.
ked up.There is something very wrong with any person who goes on line to get some form of self gratification with a stranger.
He deserves his sentence and the child deserves protection. Possibly her parents need parenting education but that is pure speculation on my part.
Your attitude is scary.
Ratski83 said:
Wasn’t this the chap that was prosecuted due to his own statement he gave when been questioned by the police? I believe the young girl refused to give a statement.
Always answer ‘No Comment’ the filth will use anything you say against you.
"Always answer no comment" - always a great indication the poster has no idea what they're talking about. Always answer ‘No Comment’ the filth will use anything you say against you.
You also can't be prosecuted by an admission alone. The technological aspects probably made the foundation. Where are you getting she didn't provide evidence from?
Kewy said:
Did he not get suspicious when she kept checking her Tik Tok?
Is that some sort of Slang for a non digital watch? I’m sorry but you can tell 12 from 19 I used to own a pub. Ok 15,16,17 is very very difficult which is why in the trade you ID every girl who walks in but you would just know a 12 year old.
WCZ said:
edit: was reading reddit about this and some people were pointing to a famous Brazilian instagram star melodyoficial3 who is 11 who admittedly looks 17+ easily. I suppose makeup etc does make a big difference
Good lord, that's down right worrying. Why do I get the feeling her parents are making a mint off it.WCZ said:
Driver101 said:
Personally I don't buy that a 12 year old would pass off as a 19 year old even on looks for anything more than a passing glance. Once you've had a closer look and communication it would be near impossible to pass.
this. if she was maybe 14/15 then it's possible she could be mature beyond her age mentally and physically but 12 is basically an infant edit: was reading reddit about this and some people were pointing to a famous Brazilian instagram star melodyoficial3 who is 11 who admittedly looks 17+ easily. I suppose makeup etc does make a big difference
Edited by WCZ on Tuesday 9th April 10:14
WCZ said:
Driver101 said:
Personally I don't buy that a 12 year old would pass off as a 19 year old even on looks for anything more than a passing glance. Once you've had a closer look and communication it would be near impossible to pass.
this. if she was maybe 14/15 then it's possible she could be mature beyond her age mentally and physically but 12 is basically an infant edit: was reading reddit about this and some people were pointing to a famous Brazilian instagram star melodyoficial3 who is 11 who admittedly looks 17+ easily. I suppose makeup etc does make a big difference
Why is it that everyone on here is so completely convinced that they know better than the judge in the case whether or not it was reasonable for the offender to have thought the girl was over 16?
As I read it, that's basically the judge saying that if she'd been 13 instead of 12, then there would have been a perfectly viable defence of having believed the girl to be over the age of 16, but as she's under 13, it's an absolute offence, and such a defence cannot be mounted.
We know that the girl claimed to be 19. Now of course my daughter could've made the same claim when she was two, but not even a High Court Judge would've believed her, because she would've been so completely obviously two. In this case, however, one has to assume the judge has seen photos of the girl and read whatever she wrote on Whatsapp at the very least, even if he hasn't actually met her (which we don't know), so why is everyone doubting him?
Kermit power said:
Have you read the article?????
Why is it that everyone on here is so completely convinced that they know better than the judge in the case whether or not it was reasonable for the offender to have thought the girl was over 16?
As I read it, that's basically the judge saying that if she'd been 13 instead of 12, then there would have been a perfectly viable defence of having believed the girl to be over the age of 16, but as she's under 13, it's an absolute offence, and such a defence cannot be mounted.
We know that the girl claimed to be 19. Now of course my daughter could've made the same claim when she was two, but not even a High Court Judge would've believed her, because she would've been so completely obviously two. In this case, however, one has to assume the judge has seen photos of the girl and read whatever she wrote on Whatsapp at the very least, even if he hasn't actually met her (which we don't know), so why is everyone doubting him?
Because this is PH and there is an undertone of misogyny and the objectification of women and girls.Why is it that everyone on here is so completely convinced that they know better than the judge in the case whether or not it was reasonable for the offender to have thought the girl was over 16?
As I read it, that's basically the judge saying that if she'd been 13 instead of 12, then there would have been a perfectly viable defence of having believed the girl to be over the age of 16, but as she's under 13, it's an absolute offence, and such a defence cannot be mounted.
We know that the girl claimed to be 19. Now of course my daughter could've made the same claim when she was two, but not even a High Court Judge would've believed her, because she would've been so completely obviously two. In this case, however, one has to assume the judge has seen photos of the girl and read whatever she wrote on Whatsapp at the very least, even if he hasn't actually met her (which we don't know), so why is everyone doubting him?
Some posters sadly feel the need to deflect from their own rather dubious attitudes onto the object of those views. In this case girls.
Not too many mums posting here.
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Seems unjust considering she had lied about her age?
As others have said - 12 will be a bit obvious.I have a daughter and whilst she liked to dress (as they all do) as a mature prostitute to go to parties (with other 12 year olds all dressed the same) - she, and they, all looked like little girls trying to look older. You can just tell.
At 14 or 15, dressed more 'normally' she could pass for 17... and so it went on.
So I don't think it's unjust - you can definitely spot a 12 year old from a 19 year old. Possibly from just asking what school they are at.
NDA said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Seems unjust considering she had lied about her age?
As others have said - 12 will be a bit obvious.I have a daughter and whilst she liked to dress (as they all do) as a mature prostitute to go to parties (with other 12 year olds all dressed the same) - she, and they, all looked like little girls trying to look older. You can just tell.
At 14 or 15, dressed more 'normally' she could pass for 17... and so it went on.
So I don't think it's unjust - you can definitely spot a 12 year old from a 19 year old. Possibly from just asking what school they are at.
Kermit power said:
Others, but not the judge who actually tried the case. Read the bloody article!!
Yeh you keep saying this. But the judge may or may not have met the girl, and the judge definitely didn't spend the night with the girl.Sorry but the guy was thinking with his cock and even if she was 19 (despite him saying that he thought she was over 16) then he's still a pest as far as I'm concerned.
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If you admit to thinking 12 year old girls can look 18 you should be in prison (and hand in your driving license).
If you think you can judge the age of people you haven't seen, then you are even more ignorant than you appearDo you think she'll look like a 2 year old or an 18 year old.
It's about as relevant
Kermit power said:
As I read it, that's basically the judge saying that if she'd been 13 instead of 12, then there would have been a perfectly viable defence of having believed the girl to be over the age of 16, but as she's under 13, it's an absolute offence, and such a defence cannot be mounted
^^^ This is the argument and IMO as the father of daughters aged 25, 11 and 10 I believe is wrong.How old is the law - I suspect 50+ years and some 11 year olds now do not look anything like 11 year olds 50+ years ago.
Kermit power said:
WCZ said:
Driver101 said:
Personally I don't buy that a 12 year old would pass off as a 19 year old even on looks for anything more than a passing glance. Once you've had a closer look and communication it would be near impossible to pass.
this. if she was maybe 14/15 then it's possible she could be mature beyond her age mentally and physically but 12 is basically an infant edit: was reading reddit about this and some people were pointing to a famous Brazilian instagram star melodyoficial3 who is 11 who admittedly looks 17+ easily. I suppose makeup etc does make a big difference
Why is it that everyone on here is so completely convinced that they know better than the judge in the case whether or not it was reasonable for the offender to have thought the girl was over 16?
As I read it, that's basically the judge saying that if she'd been 13 instead of 12, then there would have been a perfectly viable defence of having believed the girl to be over the age of 16, but as she's under 13, it's an absolute offence, and such a defence cannot be mounted.
We know that the girl claimed to be 19. Now of course my daughter could've made the same claim when she was two, but not even a High Court Judge would've believed her, because she would've been so completely obviously two. In this case, however, one has to assume the judge has seen photos of the girl and read whatever she wrote on Whatsapp at the very least, even if he hasn't actually met her (which we don't know), so why is everyone doubting him?
The judge didn't agree that she looked 19. The only comments are the accused had reason to believe she was over 16.
Reading other pieces on the girl it is clear she has issues. She was regularly running away from home and having issues. It always seems to be vulnerable young girls that end up in situations like this. It isn't by accident in my opinion.
There is also this.
Following the hearing, Detective Constable Tina Jackson, of GMP’s Project Phoenix Bury team, said: “Carl Hodgson would have known the schoolgirl was under 16 and showed complete disregard for the law for his own sexual gratification.
Edited by Driver101 on Tuesday 9th April 11:08
Kewy said:
Kermit power said:
Others, but not the judge who actually tried the case. Read the bloody article!!
Yeh you keep saying this. But the judge may or may not have met the girl, and the judge definitely didn't spend the night with the girl.Sorry but the guy was thinking with his cock and even if she was 19 (despite him saying that he thought she was over 16) then he's still a pest as far as I'm concerned.
This is how paediatricians end up getting their houses attacked by vigilantes!
Nickgnome said:
Because this is PH and there is an undertone of misogyny and the objectification of women and girls.
Some posters sadly feel the need to deflect from their own rather dubious attitudes onto the object of those views. In this case girls.
Not too many mums posting here.
That's going a bit far. Some posters sadly feel the need to deflect from their own rather dubious attitudes onto the object of those views. In this case girls.
Not too many mums posting here.
There is nothing dubious about questioning how the law works and why it is the whole world knows the Identity of the bloke an the consequences he faces whilst being unable to see the evidence of just how young/old the girl looks.
Now to be clear that does not mean it was a smart move from the guy nor that people struggle to tell the difference between all 13 and 19 year olds.
it also doesn't seem unreasonable to question why a 12 year old can act adult enough to setup a profile on a adult dating site claiming to be 19 and face no consequences nor why the "well known" according to the article dating site is also not named and shamed given the current debate about social media sites taking more responsibility for content..
Kermit power said:
Yes, I keep saying it. I keep saying it because the judge has far more knowledge of the girl in question than anyone posting on here. His view was essentially that the bloke was stupid and unlucky, but clearly he didn't think him to intrinsically be some sort of predator, yet you and many others on here are merrily sharpening your pitchforks and digging out the burning torches because you've decided that you know better.
This is how paediatricians end up getting their houses attacked by vigilantes!
No it isn't, pediatricians aren't shagging twelve year olds.This is how paediatricians end up getting their houses attacked by vigilantes!
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If you admit to thinking 12 year old girls can look 18 you should be in prison (and hand in your driving license).
If you think you can judge the age of people you haven't seen, then you are even more ignorant than you appearDo you think she'll look like a 2 year old or an 18 year old.
It's about as relevant
The equivalent is you saying your curtains are 2 years old, or 18 years old and whether or not I could identify which curtains are 2 years old or 18 years old. Christ!
V8RX7 said:
Kermit power said:
As I read it, that's basically the judge saying that if she'd been 13 instead of 12, then there would have been a perfectly viable defence of having believed the girl to be over the age of 16, but as she's under 13, it's an absolute offence, and such a defence cannot be mounted
^^^ This is the argument and IMO as the father of daughters aged 25, 11 and 10 I believe is wrong.How old is the law - I suspect 50+ years and some 11 year olds now do not look anything like 11 year olds 50+ years ago.
To me this is a complete red herrings. An adult should be entirely responsible and liable for ensuring that the person they are engaging with is also an adult.
It matters not whether they are MF, MM or FF.
The rest of the debate here is pure deflection.
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