Man jailed for sexual activity with fake 19 year old
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aka_kerrly said:
That's going a bit far.
There is nothing dubious about questioning how the law works and why it is the whole world knows the Identity of the bloke an the consequences he faces whilst being unable to see the evidence of just how young/old the girl looks.
Now to be clear that does not mean it was a smart move from the guy nor that people struggle to tell the difference between all 13 and 19 year olds.
it also doesn't seem unreasonable to question why a 12 year old can act adult enough to setup a profile on a adult dating site claiming to be 19 and face no consequences nor why the "well known" according to the article dating site is also not named and shamed given the current debate about social media sites taking more responsibility for content..
What consequences do you think the child should have faced?There is nothing dubious about questioning how the law works and why it is the whole world knows the Identity of the bloke an the consequences he faces whilst being unable to see the evidence of just how young/old the girl looks.
Now to be clear that does not mean it was a smart move from the guy nor that people struggle to tell the difference between all 13 and 19 year olds.
it also doesn't seem unreasonable to question why a 12 year old can act adult enough to setup a profile on a adult dating site claiming to be 19 and face no consequences nor why the "well known" according to the article dating site is also not named and shamed given the current debate about social media sites taking more responsibility for content..
Roman Rhodes said:
aka_kerrly said:
That's going a bit far.
There is nothing dubious about questioning how the law works and why it is the whole world knows the Identity of the bloke an the consequences he faces whilst being unable to see the evidence of just how young/old the girl looks.
Now to be clear that does not mean it was a smart move from the guy nor that people struggle to tell the difference between all 13 and 19 year olds.
it also doesn't seem unreasonable to question why a 12 year old can act adult enough to setup a profile on a adult dating site claiming to be 19 and face no consequences nor why the "well known" according to the article dating site is also not named and shamed given the current debate about social media sites taking more responsibility for content..
What consequences do you think the child should have faced?There is nothing dubious about questioning how the law works and why it is the whole world knows the Identity of the bloke an the consequences he faces whilst being unable to see the evidence of just how young/old the girl looks.
Now to be clear that does not mean it was a smart move from the guy nor that people struggle to tell the difference between all 13 and 19 year olds.
it also doesn't seem unreasonable to question why a 12 year old can act adult enough to setup a profile on a adult dating site claiming to be 19 and face no consequences nor why the "well known" according to the article dating site is also not named and shamed given the current debate about social media sites taking more responsibility for content..
Integroo said:
Kermit power said:
Yes, I keep saying it. I keep saying it because the judge has far more knowledge of the girl in question than anyone posting on here. His view was essentially that the bloke was stupid and unlucky, but clearly he didn't think him to intrinsically be some sort of predator, yet you and many others on here are merrily sharpening your pitchforks and digging out the burning torches because you've decided that you know better.
This is how paediatricians end up getting their houses attacked by vigilantes!
No it isn't, pediatricians aren't shagging twelve year olds.This is how paediatricians end up getting their houses attacked by vigilantes!
Kermit power said:
That didn't stop this paediatrician being driven from her house by vigilantes who couldn't handle more than the first two syllables...
I know the story, that is awful, it is however very different than this situation where a 28 year old had sexual activity with a 12 year old. TTwiggy said:
vonuber said:
It's getting a bit Jimmy Saville fanclub in here.
I wonder how this thread would have gone if the chap was Muslim?I am dismayed that such attitudes still exist in some males.
Integroo said:
Kermit power said:
That didn't stop this paediatrician being driven from her house by vigilantes who couldn't handle more than the first two syllables...
I know the story, that is awful, it is however very different than this situation where a 28 year old had sexual activity with a 12 year old. There is, of course, a possibility that the judge himself is a raving paedo who looks at 12yr old girls and decides they're starting to get a bit past it, but in the far more probable event that he's a normal human being who has looked at the evidence presented to him and decided the guy in the dock is more stupid and gullible than anything more sinister, who are we to question it?
Nickgnome said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Why?
Because you consider a child can be responsible and thereby excuse the behaviour of an adult. To me it is scary that you can think a child can be the object of sexual desire.
Your average 12 year old will look like a child. However many will look younger, or in this case as the judge agrees (if you'd bothered to read the article), look older. Don't forget that 12 is 2nd year of secondary school, many feel pressure to grow up quickly in an environment with students up to the age of 16/18 and so dress and apply makeup to look older. I certainly knew kids at the age of 11 in my class (back in the mid 90s) starting to reveal they'd had more than a kiss on the cheek or were determined to date a lad in the higher year groups. Also remember that some develop much quicker than others.
I doubt the chap would have even started talking to her if he knew she was only 12.
If you fail to understand that, I can only conclude that you're trying to provoke a reaction.
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Nickgnome said:
Baby Shark doo doo doo doo said:
Why?
Because you consider a child can be responsible and thereby excuse the behaviour of an adult. To me it is scary that you can think a child can be the object of sexual desire.
Your average 12 year old will look like a child. However many will look younger, or in this case as the judge agrees (if you'd bothered to read the article), look older. Don't forget that 12 is 2nd year of secondary school, many feel pressure to grow up quickly in an environment with students up to the age of 16/18 and so dress and apply makeup to look older. I certainly knew kids at the age of 11 in my class (back in the mid 90s) starting to reveal they'd had more than a kiss on the cheek or were determined to date a lad in the higher year groups. Also remember that some develop much quicker than others.
I doubt the chap would have even started talking to her if he knew she was only 12.
If you fail to understand that, I can only conclude that you're trying to provoke a reaction.
These are excuses.
It is irrelevant whether the persons are opposite or same sex or male or female.
It is, as I stated earlier, that the adult ensures beyond doubt, that they are engaging with another adult.
That is it. Simple.
Edited by Nickgnome on Tuesday 9th April 12:00
Kermit power said:
But still plenty of people on here deciding they know better than the people actually involved in the case.
There is, of course, a possibility that the judge himself is a raving paedo who looks at 12yr old girls and decides they're starting to get a bit past it, but in the far more probable event that he's a normal human being who has looked at the evidence presented to him and decided the guy in the dock is more stupid and gullible than anything more sinister, who are we to question it?
Facts: 28 year old looking for young girls online to meet for sex. Whether he thought she was 12 or 16, it is still perverse. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I have no sympathy, and serious doubts about whether he genuinely believed she was 19.There is, of course, a possibility that the judge himself is a raving paedo who looks at 12yr old girls and decides they're starting to get a bit past it, but in the far more probable event that he's a normal human being who has looked at the evidence presented to him and decided the guy in the dock is more stupid and gullible than anything more sinister, who are we to question it?
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If you admit to thinking 12 year old girls can look 18 you should be in prison (and hand in your driving license).
If you think you can judge the age of people you haven't seen, then you are even more ignorant than you appearDo you think she'll look like a 2 year old or an 18 year old.
It's about as relevant
The equivalent is you saying your curtains are 2 years old, or 18 years old and whether or not I could identify which curtains are 2 years old or 18 years old. Christ!
I and many others have seen CERTAIN 11 and 12 year olds who could easily pass for 18
You - WITHOUT SEEING THEM - say you can tell
That is b
ksV8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If you admit to thinking 12 year old girls can look 18 you should be in prison (and hand in your driving license).
If you think you can judge the age of people you haven't seen, then you are even more ignorant than you appearDo you think she'll look like a 2 year old or an 18 year old.
It's about as relevant
The equivalent is you saying your curtains are 2 years old, or 18 years old and whether or not I could identify which curtains are 2 years old or 18 years old. Christ!
I and many others have seen CERTAIN 11 and 12 year olds who could easily pass for 18
You - WITHOUT SEEING THEM - say you can tell
That is b
ksks front. Either that or you need to recalibrate.I have a 12 year old daughter, she’s 5ft 6 tall and one of the more grown up looking in her class.
She dances competitively too and so frequently is made up for performances. She’s in the junior (u14) category.
Neither she nor any of her contemporaries look or behave anything like 18.
She said she was 19 and wrote as such on the dating site, used a fake name to prevent any checks, and the judge thought she looked older than she was too.
Apart from a written contract complete with original birth certificates and passports/ID, I'm not sure how he could have found out more information? (to be fair the chap in the article probably wishes he had done that). Even fake ID cards are easy to come by and are often very convincing.
Faced with someone who looks 19, claims she is 19, has passed the checks for the dating app to confirm she is over 18, what more can you expect the chap to do?
Legally, yes he has had activity with a 12 year old. However if he wasn't aware and has been mislead, it seems harsh to have a lifelong punishment.
Apart from a written contract complete with original birth certificates and passports/ID, I'm not sure how he could have found out more information? (to be fair the chap in the article probably wishes he had done that). Even fake ID cards are easy to come by and are often very convincing.
Faced with someone who looks 19, claims she is 19, has passed the checks for the dating app to confirm she is over 18, what more can you expect the chap to do?
Legally, yes he has had activity with a 12 year old. However if he wasn't aware and has been mislead, it seems harsh to have a lifelong punishment.
V8RX7 said:
No you are saying you can tell, without looking at the girls in question, whether they are 18 or not.
I and many others have seen CERTAIN 11 and 12 year olds who could easily pass for 18
You - WITHOUT SEEING THEM - say you can tell
That is bks
I've worked in schools, currently work in a college, also work for several youth groups and down the local skatepark.I and many others have seen CERTAIN 11 and 12 year olds who could easily pass for 18
You - WITHOUT SEEING THEM - say you can tell
That is b
ksI can confidently say that I have never met an 11 or 12 year old that could be mistaken for an 18 year old. Especially as soon as they start to communicate.
Integroo said:
Kermit power said:
But still plenty of people on here deciding they know better than the people actually involved in the case.
There is, of course, a possibility that the judge himself is a raving paedo who looks at 12yr old girls and decides they're starting to get a bit past it, but in the far more probable event that he's a normal human being who has looked at the evidence presented to him and decided the guy in the dock is more stupid and gullible than anything more sinister, who are we to question it?
Facts: 28 year old looking for young girls online to meet for sex. Whether he thought she was 12 or 16, it is still perverse. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I have no sympathy, and serious doubts about whether he genuinely believed she was 19.There is, of course, a possibility that the judge himself is a raving paedo who looks at 12yr old girls and decides they're starting to get a bit past it, but in the far more probable event that he's a normal human being who has looked at the evidence presented to him and decided the guy in the dock is more stupid and gullible than anything more sinister, who are we to question it?
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
V8RX7 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
If you admit to thinking 12 year old girls can look 18 you should be in prison (and hand in your driving license).
If you think you can judge the age of people you haven't seen, then you are even more ignorant than you appearDo you think she'll look like a 2 year old or an 18 year old.
It's about as relevant
The equivalent is you saying your curtains are 2 years old, or 18 years old and whether or not I could identify which curtains are 2 years old or 18 years old. Christ!
I and many others have seen CERTAIN 11 and 12 year olds who could easily pass for 18
You - WITHOUT SEEING THEM - say you can tell
That is b
ksThe rest of this conversation has been pointless if you can't comprehend that.
Wasn't there a similar case (in Edinburgh?) a few years ago of a guy who took home a girl he met at the bus stop who later turned out to be 13?
Iirc he was put on the sex offenders register as that's a mandatory thing, but received no jail time because the judge (and two police officers who she'd spoken to that night) accepted that she looked older.
Iirc he was put on the sex offenders register as that's a mandatory thing, but received no jail time because the judge (and two police officers who she'd spoken to that night) accepted that she looked older.
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