Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[TTwiggy]

s2art said:

But thats true for just about any party leader. Why should Farage be any different.

Because he's built a personality cult. Thus, his personality is fair game when deciding if you support him or not.

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

s2art said:

But thats true for just about any party leader. Why should Farage be any different.

Because he's built a personality cult. Thus, his personality is fair game when deciding if you support him or not.

And Corbyn hasn't?

[s2art]

TTwiggy said:

s2art said:

But thats true for just about any party leader. Why should Farage be any different.

Because he's built a personality cult. Thus, his personality is fair game when deciding if you support him or not.

And Corbyn with momentum? Or a couple of SNP leaders now and in the past?

[TTwiggy]

alfie2244 said:

And Corbyn hasn't?

I would argue not as much. However, there are many (traditional) Labour voters who will never vote for Corbyn, and he (as well as Abbott, in particular) comes in for personal attacks on here, so it seems the same rules apply.

[s2art]

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

And Corbyn hasn't?

I would argue not as much. However, there are many (traditional) Labour voters who will never vote for Corbyn, and he (as well as Abbott, in particular) comes in for personal attacks on here, so it seems the same rules apply.

And Blairs Labour? Looking at some of the Brexit party's candidatesthey dont look like cult members to me. Clair Fox? forget it..

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

And Corbyn hasn't?

I would argue not as much. However, there are many (traditional) Labour voters who will never vote for Corbyn, and he (as well as Abbott, in particular) comes in for personal attacks on here, so it seems the same rules apply.

Good timing:

Former minister quits Labour after 45 years blaming 'Corbyn cult'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/14/f...

[TTwiggy]

s2art said:

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

And Corbyn hasn't?

I would argue not as much. However, there are many (traditional) Labour voters who will never vote for Corbyn, and he (as well as Abbott, in particular) comes in for personal attacks on here, so it seems the same rules apply.

And Blairs Labour? Looking at some of the Brexit party's candidatesthey dont look like cult members to me. Clair Fox? forget it..

I think you're rather moving away from my point. Farage is a 'character'. There are untold numbers of videos of him online 'sticking it' to the EU parliament. He revels in the limelight and UKIP was always about him first and foremost. If you like him I understand why you'll like his approach. For those of us who don't like his approach (and, I'll repeat, that includes a number of Leave voters), his personality is fair game to attack.

[TTwiggy]

alfie2244 said:

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

And Corbyn hasn't?

I would argue not as much. However, there are many (traditional) Labour voters who will never vote for Corbyn, and he (as well as Abbott, in particular) comes in for personal attacks on here, so it seems the same rules apply.

Good timing:

Former minister quits Labour after 45 years blaming 'Corbyn cult'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/14/f...

Which just reinforces my point - personality is important. Hence crap about 'play the ball not the man' is irrelevant.

[Mark Benson]

TTwiggy said:

s2art said:

But thats true for just about any party leader. Why should Farage be any different.

Because he's built a personality cult. Thus, his personality is fair game when deciding if you support him or not.

He's built a party too.

I don't like him, but even as someone who voted to remain I can not only see the need for him but can also admire the way he's thrown off the nutters and oddballs of UKIP and managed to build a truly diverse party that looks and sounds far more like the population than any of the parties staffed by your beloved professional politicians.

Too many people focus on the man himself to appreciate how influential (for good and bad) he's been in C21st politics.

I'll also be voting for his party because I abhor the way Brexit has been, and continues to be handled by the 2 main parties, I voted Lib Dem at local level but would never vote for them at a national or EU level because they openly want to overturn the result and cannot see what doing so would unleash.

[anonymous-user]

Well Sir Nige has just received 25 of my hard earned, first time I have ever felt the compulsion to donate to a political party.

Let's see what happens.

[s2art]

TTwiggy said:

s2art said:

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

And Corbyn hasn't?

I would argue not as much. However, there are many (traditional) Labour voters who will never vote for Corbyn, and he (as well as Abbott, in particular) comes in for personal attacks on here, so it seems the same rules apply.

And Blairs Labour? Looking at some of the Brexit party's candidatesthey dont look like cult members to me. Clair Fox? forget it..

I think you're rather moving away from my point. Farage is a 'character'. There are untold numbers of videos of him online 'sticking it' to the EU parliament. He revels in the limelight and UKIP was always about him first and foremost. If you like him I understand why you'll like his approach. For those of us who don't like his approach (and, I'll repeat, that includes a number of Leave voters), his personality is fair game to attack.

Maybe you dont remember Thatcher sticking it to Labour, Or even Hague sticking it to Labour (quite humorously) or any number of rousing parliamentary speeches. Farage at least had the excuse that he needed to be a bit over the top just to get noticed.

[TTwiggy]

Fine, I give up. This thread reminds me of the early 'Ukip - the future' threads where any attempt to engage in debate only resulted in the fanboys rounding on the dissenter and arguing against things they haven't said, rather than what they have said.

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

Fine, I give up. This thread reminds me of the early 'Ukip - the future' threads where any attempt to engage in debate only resulted in the fanboys rounding on the dissenter and arguing against things they haven't said, rather than what they have said.

Sorry I may have misunderstood.....

I thought you were saying that it is ok to attack Farage because, unlike other leaders, he is a personality cult....all I was trying to point out is Corbyn is a personality cult also.

[Mark Benson]

TTwiggy said:

Fine, I give up. This thread reminds me of the early 'Ukip - the future' threads where any attempt to engage in debate only resulted in the fanboys rounding on the dissenter and arguing against things they haven't said, rather than what they have said.

I'm not a fanboy and I've tried debating, you simply don't want to hear what's being said if it challenges your prejudices.

But have your flounce and off you pop

[TTwiggy]

alfie2244 said:

TTwiggy said:

Fine, I give up. This thread reminds me of the early 'Ukip - the future' threads where any attempt to engage in debate only resulted in the fanboys rounding on the dissenter and arguing against things they haven't said, rather than what they have said.

Sorry I may have misunderstood.....

I thought you were saying that it is ok to attack Farage because, unlike other leaders, he is a personality cult....all I was trying to point out is Corbyn is a personality cult also.

Sorry alfie, not aimed at you. I said up page that Farage is divisive - and I stick by that view - and then someone popped up to tell me to play the ball not the man. I was simply trying to point out that Farage is both man and ball.

[anonymous-user]

TeamD said:

crankedup said:

Odd isn’t it that success always leads to cynicism in the U.K., and yet across the pond it’s applauded.,

I refer you to the politics of envy thread, it's the socialist way.

But here the people complaining about the elite not listening to the less well off are the brexit party supporters. Brexit supporters are also mainly from lower socioeconomic groups complaining about being disenfranchised and ignored.

Seems politics of envy isn’t just for lefties.

If you’re successful and well off and happy with your lot, you’re less likely to be supporting Farage and wanting to stick it to the establishment.

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

TTwiggy said:

Fine, I give up. This thread reminds me of the early 'Ukip - the future' threads where any attempt to engage in debate only resulted in the fanboys rounding on the dissenter and arguing against things they haven't said, rather than what they have said.

Sorry I may have misunderstood.....

I thought you were saying that it is ok to attack Farage because, unlike other leaders, he is a personality cult....all I was trying to point out is Corbyn is a personality cult also.

Sorry alfie, not aimed at you. I said up page that Farage is divisive - and I stick by that view - and then someone popped up to tell me to play the ball not the man. I was simply trying to point out that Farage is both man and ball.

No worries...........however how many, non divisive, party leaders do you know of?

[TTwiggy]

Mark Benson said:

I'm not a fanboy and I've tried debating, you simply don't want to hear what's being said if it challenges your prejudices.

But have your flounce and off you pop

I'm not flouncing, I'm expressing my frustration. This site abounds with people asking 'why oh why can't we have a proper debate', yet when you try to have one the same people are so focused on defending their POV (or their heroes) that they don't actually engage themselves.

[TTwiggy]

alfie2244 said:

No worries...........however how many, non divisive, party leaders do you know of?

People will always have opinions about them, but Farage really is Marmite. I don't know anyone who's ambiguous about him. It always seems to come down to 'save us and our Britain Sir Nige you legend!' or 'do one you frog-faced nazi' .

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

No worries...........however how many, non divisive, party leaders do you know of?

People will always have opinions about them, but Farage really is Marmite. I don't know anyone who's ambiguous about him. It always seems to come down to 'save us and our Britain Sir Nige you legend!' or 'do one you frog-faced nazi' .

But this is the thing for me...........IMO Corbyn is far more divisive than Farage by a country mile yet, and I could be wrong here, I have never seen you character assassinate him.