Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
TTwiggy said:
alfie2244 said:
No worries...........however how many, non divisive, party leaders do you know of?
People will always have opinions about them, but Farage really is Marmite. I don't know anyone who's ambiguous about him. It always seems to come down to 'save us and our Britain Sir Nige you legend!' or 'do one you frog-faced nazi' 
.May isn't - everybody thinks she's awful
Exceptions and rules etc.pgh said:
El stovey said:
But here the people complaining about the elite not listening to the less well off are the brexit party supporters. Brexit supporters are also mainly from lower socioeconomic groups complaining about being disenfranchised and ignored.
Seems politics of envy isn’t just for lefties.
Where do you get the lower socio economic group part from? There's absolutely no published data on their memberships & based on the anonymous donations, the party themselves couldn't tell you.Seems politics of envy isn’t just for lefties.
The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
TTwiggy said:
People will always have opinions about them, but Farage really is Marmite. I don't know anyone who's ambiguous about him. It always seems to come down to 'save us and our Britain Sir Nige you legend!' or 'do one you frog-faced nazi' .
I don't see him as that much of a marmite character..I've said before that I think that if you see and hear him in small chunks he can say things that make sense.
I've also said that if you listen to him in longer chunks, his LBC show being a good example, you soon realise he's pretty unpleasant and doesn't like being challenged.
There's also something deeply odd about how middle-aged men who hate the "establishment" and "elites" seem to fall over themselves to fawn over the bloke and call in begging him to "save us Sir".
That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
See Mark Reckless has done it again. Yes that Mark Reckless who was Con member for Rochester and Stood who defected to UKIP, stood for re election as UKIP, got elected but then lost seat in 2015.
Well he got elected as UKIP Welsh AM then left UKIP to become Ind though supporting the Conservatives. Well he's banded together with 3 others under Brexit party in Welsh assembly.
Difficult to keep track where this is going, though just like before Cons and Lab don't know how to handle his Nigelness, sadly some just revert to the usual personal stuff which is unhelpful to their cause. Like him or loathe him he knows how to campaign and Brexit P is potentially different kettle of fish to amateurish UKIP as was.
Well he got elected as UKIP Welsh AM then left UKIP to become Ind though supporting the Conservatives. Well he's banded together with 3 others under Brexit party in Welsh assembly.
Difficult to keep track where this is going, though just like before Cons and Lab don't know how to handle his Nigelness, sadly some just revert to the usual personal stuff which is unhelpful to their cause. Like him or loathe him he knows how to campaign and Brexit P is potentially different kettle of fish to amateurish UKIP as was.
El stovey said:
Brexit supporters generally were from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers, That’s not a dig, I voted for brexit but it’s a fact.
The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Makes you wonder why no Change UK are apparently lagging behind TBP so dismally,The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
doesn't it.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't see him as that much of a marmite character.
I've said before that I think that if you see and hear him in small chunks he can say things that make sense.
I've also said that if you listen to him in longer chunks, his LBC show being a good example, you soon realise he's pretty unpleasant and doesn't like being challenged.
There's also something deeply odd about how middle-aged men who hate the "establishment" and "elites" seem to fall over themselves to fawn over the bloke and call in begging him to "save us Sir".
That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
Don't like being challenged? Suppose you will say Marr battered him on Sunday morning?I've said before that I think that if you see and hear him in small chunks he can say things that make sense.
I've also said that if you listen to him in longer chunks, his LBC show being a good example, you soon realise he's pretty unpleasant and doesn't like being challenged.
There's also something deeply odd about how middle-aged men who hate the "establishment" and "elites" seem to fall over themselves to fawn over the bloke and call in begging him to "save us Sir".
That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There's also something deeply odd about how middle-aged men who hate the "establishment" and "elites" seem to fall over themselves to fawn over the bloke and call in begging him to "save us Sir".
That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
Makes sense to me. That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
There’s a lot of unhappy people. They might be unhappy about immigration or lack of opportunity or political correctness or left liberalism or the EU or Westminster trying to BRINO or a raft of things, but no party apart from farage’s represents them.
That’s where the brexit party is cleaning up. They’re the voice of a large group of voters that aren’t represented at the moment.
The problem is does farage’s actually represent them? We don’t really know what they’re about because at the moment they’re only really about actually brexiting and NOT being conservative or labour or libdem or change UK.
pgh said:
El stovey said:
Brexit supporters generally were from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers, That’s not a dig, I voted for brexit but it’s a fact.
The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Total assumption stated as fact then...The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Brexiters were generally from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers
Or
The brexit party will mainly be made up of Brexiters.
Those aren’t statements in doubt are they?
El stovey said:
Makes sense to me.
There’s a lot of unhappy people. They might be unhappy about immigration or lack of opportunity or political correctness or left liberalism or the EU or Westminster trying to BRINO or a raft of things, but no party apart from farage’s represents them.
That’s where the brexit party is cleaning up. They’re the voice of a large group of voters that aren’t represented at the moment.
The problem is does farage’s actually represent them? We don’t really know what they’re about because at the moment they’re only really about actually brexiting and NOT being conservative or labour or libdem or change UK.
I can see that side of it.There’s a lot of unhappy people. They might be unhappy about immigration or lack of opportunity or political correctness or left liberalism or the EU or Westminster trying to BRINO or a raft of things, but no party apart from farage’s represents them.
That’s where the brexit party is cleaning up. They’re the voice of a large group of voters that aren’t represented at the moment.
The problem is does farage’s actually represent them? We don’t really know what they’re about because at the moment they’re only really about actually brexiting and NOT being conservative or labour or libdem or change UK.
I just find it a bit sad that as a country the best we seem to have to counter the established parties is giving 25 quid to Farage and getting Ann Widdecombe in return and still no idea of any policies on anything other than "Just get us out".
It's pretty bloody depressing that's where we're at.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I can see that side of it.
I just find it a bit sad that as a country the best we seem to have to counter the established parties is giving 25 quid to Farage and getting Ann Widdecombe in return and still no idea of any policies on anything other than "Just get us out".
It's pretty bloody depressing that's where we're at.
Yet I find it depressing that some think we can't prosper outside of the artificial EU political construct.I just find it a bit sad that as a country the best we seem to have to counter the established parties is giving 25 quid to Farage and getting Ann Widdecombe in return and still no idea of any policies on anything other than "Just get us out".
It's pretty bloody depressing that's where we're at.
gooner1 said:
El stovey said:
Brexit supporters generally were from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers, That’s not a dig, I voted for brexit but it’s a fact.
The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Makes you wonder why no Change UK are apparently lagging behind TBP so dismally,The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
doesn't it.
The brexit party is all about disrupting the status quo. That’s not particularly attractive to people doing well in good careers is it?
pgh said:
El stovey said:
Brexit supporters generally were from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers, That’s not a dig, I voted for brexit but it’s a fact.
The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Total assumption stated as fact then...The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Now we have taken Jeremy Kyle from them they may seek other pastimes.
I am reminded of that independent research that concluded that people who voted to leave in the referendum were generally more likely to murder a neighbour and fart in public than those who voted remain
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TTwiggy said:
crankedup said:
TTwiggy said:
crankedup said:
Odd isn’t it that success always leads to cynicism in the U.K., and yet across the pond it’s applauded.,
But that's not the case here. Regardless of any success he may have had, Farage is a divisive character (among many Leavers too), so any cynicism is a result of his personality, not his achievements.the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
El stovey said:
TeamD said:
crankedup said:
Odd isn’t it that success always leads to cynicism in the U.K., and yet across the pond it’s applauded.,
I refer you to the politics of envy thread, it's the socialist way. Seems politics of envy isn’t just for lefties.
If you’re successful and well off and happy with your lot, you’re less likely to be supporting Farage and wanting to stick it to the establishment.
You have to define what is ‘well off’, what is ‘happy’?
alfie2244 said:
But this is the thing for me...........IMO Corbyn is far more divisive than Farage by a country mile yet, and I could be wrong here, I have never seen you character assassinate him.
This thread isn't about Corbyn/Labour. Also, I don't really (genuinely) have an opinion on him. crankedup said:
Of course the phrase applies, it’s the media that like to jab at the personality traits and ignore
the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
To discuss the politics you need to know what the policies are really.the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
As in to be able to write them down on a piece of paper in black and white.
From what I understand Farage literally refused to go into policies when he was interviewed by Andrew Marr.
When you have a party that has no policies and that is near as dammit a personality cult built around one persons ego, it seems appropriate to focus on the personality as there's little else to focus on.
I mean seriously "Vote for us then we'll tell you the policies"?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/13/b...
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