Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
El stovey said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: There's also something deeply odd about how middle-aged men who hate the "establishment" and "elites" seem to fall over themselves to fawn over the bloke and call in begging him to "save us Sir".
That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
Makes sense to me. That said, he must be doing something right and it is very odd how little any of the other parties seem to be doing.
There’s a lot of unhappy people. They might be unhappy about immigration or lack of opportunity or political correctness or left liberalism or the EU or Westminster trying to BRINO or a raft of things, but no party apart from farage’s represents them.
That’s where the brexit party is cleaning up. They’re the voice of a large group of voters that aren’t represented at the moment.
The problem is does farage’s actually represent them? We don’t really know what they’re about because at the moment they’re only really about actually brexiting and NOT being conservative or labour or libdem or change UK.
Seems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:El stovey said:
Makes sense to me.
There’s a lot of unhappy people. They might be unhappy about immigration or lack of opportunity or political correctness or left liberalism or the EU or Westminster trying to BRINO or a raft of things, but no party apart from farage’s represents them.
That’s where the brexit party is cleaning up. They’re the voice of a large group of voters that aren’t represented at the moment.
The problem is does farage’s actually represent them? We don’t really know what they’re about because at the moment they’re only really about actually brexiting and NOT being conservative or labour or libdem or change UK.
I can see that side of it.There’s a lot of unhappy people. They might be unhappy about immigration or lack of opportunity or political correctness or left liberalism or the EU or Westminster trying to BRINO or a raft of things, but no party apart from farage’s represents them.
That’s where the brexit party is cleaning up. They’re the voice of a large group of voters that aren’t represented at the moment.
The problem is does farage’s actually represent them? We don’t really know what they’re about because at the moment they’re only really about actually brexiting and NOT being conservative or labour or libdem or change UK.
I just find it a bit sad that as a country the best we seem to have to counter the established parties is giving 25 quid to Farage and getting Ann Widdecombe in return and still no idea of any policies on anything other than "Just get us out".
It's pretty bloody depressing that's where we're at.
crankedup said:
We do know what the Brexit Party are about though, achieving as many seats as possible to sit in the EU Parliament. This in turn will assist apply pressure to the established Party’s in the U.K. They will have to respond to the new threat posed by the Brexit Party, that threat is that they are to develop into mainstream and seek election to the U.K. Parliament.
Seems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.
European Parliament seats =/= UK Parliament seatsSeems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.
UKIP is a perfect case study.
crankedup said:
Of course the phrase applies, it’s the media that like to jab at the personality traits and ignore
the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
In the absence of any policies what else is there to discuss but personalities.the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:crankedup said:
Of course the phrase applies, it’s the media that like to jab at the personality traits and ignore
the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
To discuss the politics you need to know what the policies are really.the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
As in to be able to write them down on a piece of paper in black and white.
From what I understand Farage literally refused to go into policies when he was interviewed by Andrew Marr.
When you have a party that has no policies and that is near as dammit a personality cult built around one persons ego, it seems appropriate to focus on the personality as there's little else to focus on.
I mean seriously "Vote for us then we'll tell you the policies"?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/13/b...
Their longer term ambition is to facilitate the destruction of the main established political party’s, which is a justified and noble ambition imo.
May I suggest you watch the Marr/Farage interview from Sunday last.
And then she said:
European Parliament seats =/= UK Parliament seats
UKIP is a perfect case study.
UKIP and the greens always do well in EU elections.UKIP is a perfect case study.
It would actually be a shock to the main parties if the brexit party didn’t do well in the (possible) EU election.
If brexit is negotiated before the GE (one way or another) then why will people vote for a party wanting brexit?
Won’t Farage just retire again and the party won’t actually exist?
El stovey said:
pgh said:
El stovey said:
Brexit supporters generally were from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers, That’s not a dig, I voted for brexit but it’s a fact.
The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Total assumption stated as fact then...The brexit party supporters will presumably mainly be made up of Brexit voters.
If you’re doing well under the present system of government, you’re unlikely to want Farage in power or some kind of seismic reset to the status quo.
Brexiters were generally from lower socioeconomic groups than remainers
Or
The brexit party will mainly be made up of Brexiters.
Those aren’t statements in doubt are they?
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uplo...
Only 2% difference for the EU elections and 7% or 8% for the GE.
TTwiggy said:
alfie2244 said:
But this is the thing for me...........IMO Corbyn is far more divisive than Farage by a country mile yet, and I could be wrong here, I have never seen you character assassinate him.
This thread isn't about Corbyn/Labour. Also, I don't really (genuinely) have an opinion on him. and I don't believe for one minute that you don't have an opinion on Corbyn
TTwiggy said:
s2art said:
But thats true for just about any party leader. Why should Farage be any different.
Because he's built a personality cult. Thus, his personality is fair game when deciding if you support him or not.crankedup said:
The Brexit Party have must one policy, to assist the Brexit process.
Their longer term ambition is to facilitate the destruction of the main established political party’s, which is a justified and noble ambition imo.
May I suggest you watch the Marr/Farage interview from Sunday last.
As I said, I've listened to enough Farage to believe I know how he works.Their longer term ambition is to facilitate the destruction of the main established political party’s, which is a justified and noble ambition imo.
May I suggest you watch the Marr/Farage interview from Sunday last.
Slightly shouty when pushed even remotely hard is my guess.
And of course don't ask him about things he's said in the past or little things like that poster because that's not relevant now.
Just a guess.
Edited to add I've just watched the interview and shock horror I think I was correct - slippery as a greased eel.
Edited by bhstewie on Wednesday 15th May 17:58
hstewie on Wednesday 15th May 17:58And then she said:
El stovey said:
Get out of here with your hoity-toity facts and statistics.
Add in the very disgruntled Cons/Lab voters to this cause, you will find a very different answer in 2019
valiant said:
crankedup said:
Of course the phrase applies, it’s the media that like to jab at the personality traits and ignore
the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
In the absence of any policies what else is there to discuss but personalities.the politics.Seems it’s also being used in here. Many people don’t like many other people, so what, we need to move away from personality and discuss the politics.
Will BP change leader following an emphatic EU election campaign ?
BP likely development into future?
New leadership candidates currently, any?
Membership desires?
Will BP disappear following the EU elections ie sustainability.?
Are those ‘names’ standing as candidates simply one policy people or more ambitious?
What is the overal motivation of the Party?
Just a few suggestions, although I agree it is difficult to discuss non existent policies, but is this any different to mandates that are consistently ignored once a Government is formed?
IrateNinja said:
Hahahahahahahahaha.
What an insightful response, which dismantled my assertion to a T. Not. Come on then, Einstein, let's hear your thoughts on why you don't think The Brexit Party is much more professional, slick and effective than UKip ever were. You don't need to actually like something/somebody to give credit where it's due, you know. It's what rounded members of our society do with little effort. 
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:crankedup said:
The Brexit Party have must one policy, to assist the Brexit process.
Their longer term ambition is to facilitate the destruction of the main established political party’s, which is a justified and noble ambition imo.
May I suggest you watch the Marr/Farage interview from Sunday last.
As I said, I've listened to enough Farage to believe I know how he works.Their longer term ambition is to facilitate the destruction of the main established political party’s, which is a justified and noble ambition imo.
May I suggest you watch the Marr/Farage interview from Sunday last.
Slightly shouty when pushed even remotely hard is my guess.
And of course don't ask him about things he's said in the past or little things like that poster because that's not relevant now.
Just a guess.
I don’t agree that he is at all shouty though.
No politician wants to be reminded of any past failures, hardly surprising and not something unique to Farage.
If you are going to mention a certain interview as a reinforcement to your pov you really should have watched that interview. Not doing so and yet criticising based upon that interview is out of order imo.
If only more po.iticians had the courage of their convictions.
alfie2244 said:
TTwiggy said:
alfie2244 said:
But this is the thing for me...........IMO Corbyn is far more divisive than Farage by a country mile yet, and I could be wrong here, I have never seen you character assassinate him.
This thread isn't about Corbyn/Labour. Also, I don't really (genuinely) have an opinion on him. and I don't believe for one minute that you don't have an opinion on Corbyn
TTwiggy said:
s2art said:
But thats true for just about any party leader. Why should Farage be any different.
Because he's built a personality cult. Thus, his personality is fair game when deciding if you support him or not.Farage is divisive, IMHO. You can disagree, you can think he's the second coming if you wish, but for everyone who thinks he's cheese there will be another person who wouldn't pass water over him if he were on fire.
bigdog3 said:
alfie2244 said:
Yet I find it depressing that some think we can't prosper outside of the artificial EU political construct.
Because we've lost the confidence, political aptitude and willpower to prosper as a self-governing nation. Quite pathetic really 
crankedup said:
Agree he is very forceful and robust in his interviews, for me that’s a good political trait to have.
I don’t agree that he is at all shouty though.
No politician wants to be reminded of any past failures, hardly surprising and not something unique to Farage.
If you are going to mention a certain interview as a reinforcement to your pov you really should have watched that interview. Not doing so and yet criticising based upon that interview is out of order imo.
If only more po.iticians had the courage of their convictions.
I'm criticising based on having listened to him on LBC most evenings and weekends for at least the last year rather than off the back of 15 minutes on the Andrew Marr show.I don’t agree that he is at all shouty though.
No politician wants to be reminded of any past failures, hardly surprising and not something unique to Farage.
If you are going to mention a certain interview as a reinforcement to your pov you really should have watched that interview. Not doing so and yet criticising based upon that interview is out of order imo.
If only more po.iticians had the courage of their convictions.
That said I've just watched the interview with Marr and from my perspective it's pretty much what I expected.
There's no substance there at all and you can see him get rattled when the going gets even slightly tough.
Snake oil leaps to mind.
digimeistter said:
And then she said:
El stovey said:
Get out of here with your hoity-toity facts and statistics.Add in the very disgruntled Cons/Lab voters to this cause, you will find a very different answer in 2019
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