Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
Vanden Saab said:
It seems they might be. The whole class divide over Brexit was from only one poll IIRC. Which might have been a bit biased in its findings. Check out the latest YouGov poll as they have social grade columns which are split between abc1 and c2de and It really isn't as clear cut as you might imagine given what many people believe is the case.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uplo...
Only 2% difference for the EU elections and 7% or 8% for the GE.
That link you showed also indicated lower socioeconomic economic groups supporting the brexit party more than other parties. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uplo...
Only 2% difference for the EU elections and 7% or 8% for the GE.
El stovey said:
Vanden Saab said:
It seems they might be. The whole class divide over Brexit was from only one poll IIRC. Which might have been a bit biased in its findings. Check out the latest YouGov poll as they have social grade columns which are split between abc1 and c2de and It really isn't as clear cut as you might imagine given what many people believe is the case.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uplo...
Only 2% difference for the EU elections and 7% or 8% for the GE.
That link you showed also indicated lower socioeconomic economic groups supporting the brexit party more than other parties. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uplo...
Only 2% difference for the EU elections and 7% or 8% for the GE.
For a party that has just been formed.....With a goal to Leave the EU - what other EU related policies does it need?
If this was a GE and the party said it would hang around after Brexit, I can see your point.
But, I’m struggling to think of any EU related policies it needs - other than Leave.
If this was a GE and the party said it would hang around after Brexit, I can see your point.
But, I’m struggling to think of any EU related policies it needs - other than Leave.
Brexit party have a clear and convincing lead in both the socio economic groups covered for the European elections. They're on a respectable 20% amongst 18-24 year olds, 3 points behind Labour, and they're level pegging with the Lib Dems on 23% in London.
They also have a convincing 67% of those who voted Leave in 2016, which all things being equal gives them a potential 11.6 (I.e. 67% of 17.4) motivated voters to court.
The idea that it's all driven by ignorant old windbags in the run down provinces who should have been dead by now anyway is completely redundant, and the idea they can be bought off with rural broadband or a new bypass is being shown as the fantasy it always was.
They also have a convincing 67% of those who voted Leave in 2016, which all things being equal gives them a potential 11.6 (I.e. 67% of 17.4) motivated voters to court.
The idea that it's all driven by ignorant old windbags in the run down provinces who should have been dead by now anyway is completely redundant, and the idea they can be bought off with rural broadband or a new bypass is being shown as the fantasy it always was.
Troubleatmill said:
For a party that has just been formed.....With a goal to Leave the EU - what other EU related policies does it need?
If this was a GE and the party said it would hang around after Brexit, I can see your point.
But, I’m struggling to think of any EU related policies it needs - other than Leave.
There really is absolutely no need for any other policy at the moment but Remainers being Remainers, you know...If this was a GE and the party said it would hang around after Brexit, I can see your point.
But, I’m struggling to think of any EU related policies it needs - other than Leave.
The time for a full raft of policies is when/if they contest a GE and Farage has already promised they will be readily available after the EU elections. Seems more than fair to me.
digimeistter said:
And then she said:
El stovey said:
Get out of here with your hoity-toity facts and statistics.
Add in the very disgruntled Cons/Lab voters to this cause, you will find a very different answer in 2019
Perhaps we should have another vote, just to check, eh?
And then she said:
digimeistter said:
And then she said:
El stovey said:
Get out of here with your hoity-toity facts and statistics.Add in the very disgruntled Cons/Lab voters to this cause, you will find a very different answer in 2019
Perhaps we should have another vote, just to check, eh?
I don't think you will find a better political barometer. Even having to have these elections is an utter disgrace, however it may just change the tide.b
hstewie said:
hstewie said:crankedup said:
Agree he is very forceful and robust in his interviews, for me that’s a good political trait to have.
I don’t agree that he is at all shouty though.
No politician wants to be reminded of any past failures, hardly surprising and not something unique to Farage.
If you are going to mention a certain interview as a reinforcement to your pov you really should have watched that interview. Not doing so and yet criticising based upon that interview is out of order imo.
If only more po.iticians had the courage of their convictions.
I'm criticising based on having listened to him on LBC most evenings and weekends for at least the last year rather than off the back of 15 minutes on the Andrew Marr show.I don’t agree that he is at all shouty though.
No politician wants to be reminded of any past failures, hardly surprising and not something unique to Farage.
If you are going to mention a certain interview as a reinforcement to your pov you really should have watched that interview. Not doing so and yet criticising based upon that interview is out of order imo.
If only more po.iticians had the courage of their convictions.
That said I've just watched the interview with Marr and from my perspective it's pretty much what I expected.
There's no substance there at all and you can see him get rattled when the going gets even slightly tough.
Snake oil leaps to mind.
Lentilist said:
crankedup said:
We do know what the Brexit Party are about though, achieving as many seats as possible to sit in the EU Parliament. This in turn will assist apply pressure to the established Party’s in the U.K. They will have to respond to the new threat posed by the Brexit Party, that threat is that they are to develop into mainstream and seek election to the U.K. Parliament.
Seems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.
They do not as yet actually have a membership, as those who have donated are only currently registered supporters, which confers precisely zero rights to vote on how the party is run. As it stands, Farage has near enough absolute power over the party and its policies. Now, that might seem fair enough, given the current single issue nature of things, but it's odd to hear people who dislike the EU because of a perceived lack of democracy so enthusiastic about an operation that currently has none.Seems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.
Nothing odd, Brexit Party is offering to apply pressure to our established bunch of clowns to ‘assist’ them to sign up to a WA agreement.
Paying supporters soon to be members, what’s not to like.
El stovey said:
If you’re successful and well off and happy with your lot, you’re less likely to be supporting Farage and wanting to stick it to the establishment.
I suspect many voters who are successful and well off cannot see the Tories retaining power, and would prefer Farage to Corbyn.And then she said:
digimeistter said:
And then she said:
El stovey said:
Get out of here with your hoity-toity facts and statistics.Add in the very disgruntled Cons/Lab voters to this cause, you will find a very different answer in 2019
Perhaps we should have another vote, just to check, eh?
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