Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[smn159]

powerstroke said:

Turbotechnic said:

wiggy001 said:

The remainers on this thread have proven that they, like the establishment, have learned nothing in the last few years. You do realise your condescending comments, faux mocking, "man of the people" snide comments and "subtle" suggestions of racism in those that support leaving the EU make you part of the reason people voted to leave?

I really hope you are only like this on the internet and not in "real life" but I suspect that to not be the case unfortunately.

I'm not Farage fanboi and don't agree with all he says. But despite failing to get elected in the UK multiple times he is without a doubt the most successful politician on my generation (I'm 40). His party will do well in the EU elections but the EU establishment, combined with our own useless politicians and the remainers, will ignore this and carry on as if it doesn't matter. And then wonder why the electorate becomes even more pissed off.

Couldn’t agree more, Brexit is more than leaving the EU now. It’s become a class war.

It looks a bit that way for sure , yes mock the older folk engaging at the meeting with Nigel , but up and down our great country
there is lot of much younger people who haven't got the time for political events but are still thinking about what is happening
these are the people who keep the wheels on the economy mend ,build and clean for the parasite classes who are being so
smug and dismissive ( really have no right to be that way) ivory towers only last so long !!!
good honest people are being treated like dirt over brexit ....

It's because charlatans like Farage peddle simplistic answers to complex problems, which generally involve a dislike of foreigners.

I suspect that most enraged people have had their savings devalued by low interest rates following the financial crash, or find themselves in low paid / low security service sector jobs. In both cases they're likely to be worse off after leaving the EU, but Farage and his cronies, abetted by plenty of newspaper owners with vested interests, have somehow managed to convince them that it's all the EU's fault.

Class war? Ridiculous. People are being manipulated and are blind to it.

[T-195]

MikeStroud said:

powerstroke said:

p1stonhead said:

Merc 450 said:

p1stonhead said:

Stick it to the establishment!

With a Rees-Mogg!

Good speech today at the launch

Can she relate to the common person on the street like her brother Jacob?

doubt it ,better to be ruled by semi educated yobs me thinks !!1

Quite. It seems some people think you’re only qualified to represent people if your dad was a bus driver.

Too much jealousy going on which leads to dim people not casting their vote based on what the candidate says but on what head ware they choose or what their dad’s occupation was sadly evident in posts above. Time some people grew up and vote on the issues and not tribalism.

Would bus drivers not let rape victims have abortions?

[powerstroke]

T-195 said:

Would bus drivers not let rape victims have abortions?

Depends of if they were RC or not ....

[JagLover]

bhstewie said:

I think the mocking is pretty blatant rather than faux.

And whilst I agree that Farage has been successful in stoking peoples fears and insecurities, I'd encourage anyone to stop and look a little deeper at the man himself.

As you say, I don't agree with all he says but I do agree with some things he says.

I listen to him most evenings on LBC and when you do, uninterrupted for an hour, every day, you soon realise how full of hate he actually is.

Along with many callers who hate the establishment, who hate "elites", who say democracy has been stolen, yet seem to think the answer to this is to give power to a bloke who's made more money out of taking advantage of those fears than many of his supporters will make in a lifetime.

Oh wnen I say give power I mean literally, it's amazing how many people would seemingly be happy in a dictatorship just so long as it's Nigel running it.

It's not healthy for them and I think it's massively hypocritical if you actually stop and think it through and look at the man and the people he associates with and the things he stands for.

Sadly many won't, they think he's a saint.

Farage has always been a 15 per cent politician and he needs to remember that and reach out to dissatisfied Tory voters and surround himself with people who can appeal to their base.

Despite all the mocking seen on this thread we could see a political realignment in the next few years as the Conservatives betray two thirds of their voters. The best way to achieve that realignment would be for the ERG to break away but they haven't got the guts for it I feel.

[Vanden Saab]

Canute said:

You generalise far too much about "remainers".

For some of us, me specifically this debacle has cost a lot of money and many sleepless nights that you (me generalising now) as a Brexiteer would have probably no idea about.

Sorry to hear that things are not so good for you at the moment. As an older person I have also been through hard times due to decisions others in the country have made. With every change there are winners and losers. One of the worst periods in my life, where I avoided bankruptcy by a whisker and despaired of decisions made by others that were out of my control was followed by the best period of my life following an enforced change of career.
I know it is no consolation to you now but you may find that Brexit may give you new avenues and opportunities that you never imagined possible.

[vonuber]

powerstroke said:

good honest people are being treated like dirt over brexit ....

What about the bad dishonest people?

[alfie2244]

Canute said:

You generalise far too much about "remainers".

For some of us, me specifically this debacle has cost a lot of money and many sleepless nights that you (me generalising now) as a Brexiteer would have probably no idea about.

It is easier to go with the flow of the tide than to go against it....you should try it some time.

[V8covin]

Farage hates foreigners so much he married one

[Turfy]

As Jacob Rees-Mogg said about Farage when asked if he should be taken seriously "he got nearly 15% of the vote at the last General Election he stood in".

I had no idea UKIP got so big; the same amount of votes as the LD & SNP added combined..but no seats!

I find him odious and the UKIP is a racist joke now, but Farage has the support he craves.

Edited by Turfy on Saturday 13th April 10:00

[wc98]

Jimboka said:

I suppose he is successful in a way. An establishment figure, on a great EU pension, who manages to convince the downtrodden that their plight is all the establishment & EUs fault.
He makes a career out of it, good luck to him I guess.
At least he will split the Ukip & Tory vote

he is a means to an end, hopefully most people realise that. vote splitting won't make any difference to the eu election result. ukip are a busted flush,i can't see many voting for them in any elections where there is a brexit party candidate.

[irocfan]

vonuber said:

powerstroke said:

good honest people are being treated like dirt over brexit ....

What about the bad dishonest people?

they're trying to prevent Brexit

[crankedup]

p1stonhead said:

wiggy001 said:

The remainers on this thread have proven that they, like the establishment, have learned nothing in the last few years. You do realise your condescending comments, faux mocking, "man of the people" snide comments and "subtle" suggestions of racism in those that support leaving the EU make you part of the reason people voted to leave?
.

Sorry but the Rees-Mogg ‘stick it to the establishment’ and the picture of that crowd is just next level.

At the moment im not sure he isnt just trolling people who are supporting him and seeing just how far he can push it.

My suspicions will be confirmed if he hires Jon Snow as head of Public Relations.

The question is how are the Tory and Labour Party going to counter the Brexit Party populist campaign. They can’t use simple comments that are used in Social media, they have to undermine the Brexit Party main thrust which is of course ‘they betrayed and lied to you’ in effect. How are they going to counter?

[Squiddly Diddly]

crankedup said:

The question is how are the Tory and Labour Party going to counter the Brexit Party populist campaign. They can’t use simple comments that are used in Social media, they have to undermine the Brexit Party main thrust which is of course ‘they betrayed and lied to you’ in effect. How are they going to counter?

A referendum?

[crankedup]

Coolbanana said:

Turbotechnic said:

Couldn’t agree more, Brexit is more than leaving the EU now. It’s become a class war.

Pathetic though isn't it, the whole 'class' thing the UK has?

'Working Class' a stupid, retarded description so many cling to like a comfort blanket.

'Elites' 'Toffs' why is the UK mindset stuck in the 18th and 19th Century's?

Do Brits have no real pride, do they like creating false, unnecessary division?

Britons who perpetuate the very notion of class by continuing to live under and, bizarrely, proudly declare themselves by a class-related title need to remove their mental shackles and get with this Century!

Those who refuse to abandon a class mindset are the very cause of these divisions - they encourage and legitimise it. Utterly stupid!

'Working Class'...cringeworthy.

My family is from Middlesbrough, historically that would have been the 'class' we would have been attributed to. But not growing up in the UK, I have always seen it as just that, an historical title. It bears no relevance in this day and age and seems to be used purely to create ongoing division by those who resent anyone who has lifted themselves to do 'better' in their eyes whether real or by perception and assumption than they have and hold the title as some kind of warped excuse.

Similarly those who see themselves as a 'class' above anyone else too. Ridiculous.

The UK creates its own problems for itself in mindset alone, nothing to do with the EU, that's just another scapegoat and daft rallying argument to perpetuate false division.

I recall watching an interview on television a couple of years back, Richard Branson was asked about low cost air travel. He replied along the lines of how it was good that air flight was now affordable for the ma, he just managed to stop and correct himself from referring to the public as ‘the masses’. He used the correct term after the stumble ‘the public’. In one short moment in time he revealed his true self, how he sees himself to be superior to ‘the masses’.

[psi310398]

crankedup said:

The question is how are the Tory and Labour Party going to counter the Brexit Party populist campaign. They can’t use simple comments that are used in Social media, they have to undermine the Brexit Party main thrust which is of course ‘they betrayed and lied to you’ in effect. How are they going to counter?

Mostly, to be fair, having got into a pickle, I think most do not have a clue what to do next. Cue can kicking: they'll rely on the inertia that the FPTP system builds in, and hope that the Euro-elections allow everybody who wants to to have their howl of protest. They will hope that after that everything settles down to normal.

Or, having seen that their Party machines have refused to work for them, and voters intend to keep away, the parties will make enough changes to allow the story to move on.

But in the meantime, they'll also use their SM platforms and the media more generally to play the player rather than the ball and throw lots of personal dirt at Farage and co. Expect to see lots of appeals to the Electoral Commission, for example.

The trouble is that both parties are being attacked on multiple flanks and will need to consider where to concentrate firepower. If Farage is the main target, that elevates and legitimates him as a serious player.

What might be crucial, I think, is how the mainstream print media deals with Farage. I sense that it will want to reflect the mood of its readers (having largely under-estimated the strength of the Leave sentiment) and, if the Brexit Party has traction in the country at large, it will have the Sun, Express, Telegraph and possibly the Mail on-board.

[wc98]

Squiddly Diddly said:

crankedup said:

The question is how are the Tory and Labour Party going to counter the Brexit Party populist campaign. They can’t use simple comments that are used in Social media, they have to undermine the Brexit Party main thrust which is of course ‘they betrayed and lied to you’ in effect. How are they going to counter?

A referendum?

they already tried that a few years ago, it didn't go too well

[psi310398]

This was undertaken before the launch of the Brexit Party:

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1116981750083801...

[Salmonofdoubt]

Does Mr Farage pay his MEP salary in full to HMRC because surely if he loves his country so much he would rather it had that nasty foreign money than his bank

[mike9009]

Is the Brexit Party standing for a 'No Deal' Brexit? It is not clear on their website what they actually want and are standing behind.

[p1stonhead]

crankedup said:

p1stonhead said:

wiggy001 said:

The remainers on this thread have proven that they, like the establishment, have learned nothing in the last few years. You do realise your condescending comments, faux mocking, "man of the people" snide comments and "subtle" suggestions of racism in those that support leaving the EU make you part of the reason people voted to leave?
.

Sorry but the Rees-Mogg ‘stick it to the establishment’ and the picture of that crowd is just next level.

At the moment im not sure he isnt just trolling people who are supporting him and seeing just how far he can push it.

My suspicions will be confirmed if he hires Jon Snow as head of Public Relations.

The question is how are the Tory and Labour Party going to counter the Brexit Party populist campaign. They can’t use simple comments that are used in Social media, they have to undermine the Brexit Party main thrust which is of course ‘they betrayed and lied to you’ in effect. How are they going to counter?

They don’t need to do anything. Our voting system means it’ll always be Tories vs Labour.