Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

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Mark Benson said:

My problem is that I rarely find anyone worth voting for, in any party.
I despise the rise of the professional politician - get a PPE or law degree, graduate into working for a party, become an MP, become junior minister for something you have no understanding or experience of, then if you manage to please the leadership become minister for something you have no understanding or experience of.
Result: Politicians with no empathy or understanding of the people they think they represent.
Outcome: A large number of people jump at the chance to vote for someone more like themselves.

I have no liking for Farage, but what he's doing with the Brexit party - bringing in people from outside of politics to stand as candidates is the antidote to the above. The only thing stopping more people voting for them I suspect is Farage himself.

i think all of that is spot on. if the brexit party have any sense farage will only have a minor official role if they really want to gain any traction come a general election.

[SeeFive]

Piha said:

Cohen123 said:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:52

St Nige wasn't very vocal when his mob were doing the blocking.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/m1-...

Yeah I remember. That direct action was reported all over the MSM. Just trying to find the similar reports for the action in Merthyr frankly without much success.

Perhaps Farage is lying to cover up a lower turnout than originally stated... did he suggest a million would attend, but 700,000 got stuck in traffic?

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Murph7355 said:

None of which really matters here and now.

The EU elections will mainly be "protest" related around Brexit I suspect.

If TBP do well and if the two main parties/the HoC fail to get past the impasse or sign up to something generally unwanted, THEN this stuff becomes important.

TBP have a few months minimum to organise.

IMO it wouldn't be too hard to create acceptable approaches on key policy areas.

Brexit/the EU will be one for some time. Incl. trade policy, immigration, weeding through the adopted rulebooks etc - ie hitting on the topics that influenced the vote to generate a case for keeping this that way.

The NHS, policing and education are probably next. With those covered sensibly, they could be a GE force.

Much water to go under the bridge... Continued fun times

agreed. currently it looks to me like may is banking on getting the withdrawal agreement through based on thinking it's the fact we haven't left by any means up until now that is pissing people off. i don't think she,the rest of the tories or the labour party understand that if the withdrawal agreement is passed they are going to piss even more people off than they have currently,hard as it is to imagine that being possible. i really think it would be final confirmation the only thing our politicians are focused on at the moment is themselves.

[Cohen123]

SeeFive said:

Yeah I remember. That direct action was reported all over the MSM. Just trying to find the similar reports for the action in Merthyr frankly without much success.

Perhaps Farage is lying to cover up a lower turnout than originally stated... did he suggest a million would attend, but 700,000 got stuck in traffic?

I've been told TBP have now adopted The People's Vote method of crowd counting. Apparently, 2 million were in attendance at the rally tonight.

[don'tbesilly]

Piha said:

Cohen123 said:

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1128725218...


'Remain campaigners have just blocked the road to stop the public from attending a Brexit Party rally in Merthyr Tydfil.

This attempt to stop democracy from taking place is a total disgrace.

We would never behave like that.'

Exactly how desperate are the Remainers now?


Can you just imagine the BBC's reaction if it was the other way round?

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:50

Edited by Cohen123 on Wednesday 15th May 19:52

St Nige wasn't very vocal when his mob were doing the blocking.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/m1-...

I didn't know Farage was personally behind those protests and didn't see a single mention of his name or his Party 'The Brexit Party' mentioned any where in the article you've linked.

You wrote "his mob" in your post, I guess you could evidence just how Farage was involved? Or did you make up the fact he was involved?

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alfie2244 said:

Who the hell is Byline Times?

some nut job conspiracy theory website going by the rest of the stories on there. wonder who funds it

[Robertj21a]

And then she said:

Robertj21a said:

And then she said:

...so if the Brexit Party gains less than 50% of the vote, Brexit is off?

You appear to have failed to include all the leavers who don't want to vote for Farage.

You wouldn't like us to think that all those clever Remainers are thick would you ?

Clearly irreverence is lost on you.

Try a mirror next time

[SeeFive]

Cohen123 said:

SeeFive said:

Yeah I remember. That direct action was reported all over the MSM. Just trying to find the similar reports for the action in Merthyr frankly without much success.

Perhaps Farage is lying to cover up a lower turnout than originally stated... did he suggest a million would attend, but 700,000 got stuck in traffic?

I've been told TBP have now adopted The People's Vote method of crowd counting. Apparently, 2 million were in attendance at the rally tonight.

Good spot, but I thought that was actually the number of unique and totally legit electronic signatures in the visitors’ book, or was that 6 million?

[gothatway]

bhstewie said:

I've listened to 15 minutes of him with Marr and I have zero idea what a vote for the Brexit Party gets me in terms of representation.

It's a shame that Marr didn't see fit to pursue that.

[Vanden Saab]

wc98 said:

alfie2244 said:

Who the hell is Byline Times?

some nut job conspiracy theory website going by the rest of the stories on there. wonder who funds it

nut job conspiracy theorists?

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bhstewie said:

As I said, I've listened to enough Farage to believe I know how he works.

Slightly shouty when pushed even remotely hard is my guess.

And of course don't ask him about things he's said in the past or little things like that poster because that's not relevant now.

Just a guess.

Edited to add I've just watched the interview and shock horror I think I was correct - slippery as a greased eel.

Edited by bhstewie on Wednesday 15th May 17:58

personally i like that. many that aren't often turn out to be temper suppressing nut jobs. then there are others that have a public face but treat their staff like st or beat the crap out their wife and kids at home.
i know of one fairly senior police officer that was highly respected by colleagues, calmness personified under pressure, nice bloke etc etc to those that knew him professionally. all while knocking seven bells out of his family almost on a daily basis. son turned into an absolute animal as a result despite being an intelligent lad with a decent career ahead of him.

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christian-ohtc3 said:

Looks like the Liberal Democrat support is about to take a nosedive, I wonder if Farage encouraged Guy to pop over.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/10/guy-verhofstad...

maybe the eu should have had a presence here during the referendum campaign, wouldn't have done any harm. i would love to see him go to somewhere like grimsby, would make great tv

[alfie2244]

wc98 said:

christian-ohtc3 said:

Looks like the Liberal Democrat support is about to take a nosedive, I wonder if Farage encouraged Guy to pop over.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/10/guy-verhofstad...

maybe the eu should have had a presence here during the referendum campaign, wouldn't have done any harm. i would love to see him go to somewhere like grimsby, would make great tv

I think I heard they wanted to get involved but CMD told them "it's alright I've got it all under control" .........TBF Obama was Leave's best campaigner

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Piha said:

Delicious response from our "Methyr Rising" Brothers on faarages twitter feed.

bit thick though considering the only idea the brexit party have at the moment is to leave the eu. so if he is correct and the people blocking the road are opposed to that idea, then they are indeed remain supporters, and leave voters are supposed to be the thick ones

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Vanden Saab said:

nut job conspiracy theorists?

the byline times.
Firstly, the armaments industries need to be treated like the fossil fuels sector, which would give investment funds good reasons to divest them from their portfolios.

Secondly, more budget and focus needs to go into conflict prevention rather than post-conflict resolution, especially to ensure that all NATO countries have a conflict prevention budget in addition to their defence budgets.

In many ways, the third solution is far more fundamental. War and conflict has been very much a male creation and preserve. A critical part of the solution is to enable and ensure that more women gain powerful and senior positions to prevent conflict as well as to build and create peace.
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/10/war-could-be-pr...

I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” he said.

“But I did genuinely start to wonder whether somebody somewhere in Westminster or Whitehall is looking to cover things up because the country is already heavily destabilised, divided, polarised by what’s happened since June 2016 and it’s possible that somebody somewhere just wanted to put a lid on the whole thing and it’s possible that the Electoral Commission was somehow influenced, even the police, who knows.
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/09/dodgy-money-and...

Every time Orban talks of a ‘crusade’, every time Nigel Farage speaks of ‘Judaeo-Christian’ values bear in mind the ruin that those supposedly ‘Christian’ soldiers visited upon their own lands, on their own neighbours, centuries ago.

Is that something we wish to see again?

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/10/a-new-crusade-f...

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Lentilist said:

crankedup said:

Lentilist said:

crankedup said:

We do know what the Brexit Party are about though, achieving as many seats as possible to sit in the EU Parliament. This in turn will assist apply pressure to the established Party’s in the U.K. They will have to respond to the new threat posed by the Brexit Party, that threat is that they are to develop into mainstream and seek election to the U.K. Parliament.
Seems they are off to a good start with their membership growing rapidly.

They do not as yet actually have a membership, as those who have donated are only currently registered supporters, which confers precisely zero rights to vote on how the party is run. As it stands, Farage has near enough absolute power over the party and its policies. Now, that might seem fair enough, given the current single issue nature of things, but it's odd to hear people who dislike the EU because of a perceived lack of democracy so enthusiastic about an operation that currently has none.

New Party, needs a little longer for the letterheads to dry.
Nothing odd, Brexit Party is offering to apply pressure to our established bunch of clowns to ‘assist’ them to sign up to a WA agreement.
Paying supporters soon to be members, what’s not to like.

From a governance point of view, I'd say there's a great deal not to like.

No clear system for determining policy
Party mechanisms effectively controlled by a single individual
No published roadmap for rollout of actual membership structure
No means of holding party to account over current promises
No means to challenge party if it does something else instead

These were all valid criticisms of TIG/CHUK and apply here as well. People are free to support them, not questioning that, just find it odd that people can be supporting a party on the basis of "taking back control", but do not seem to have any concerns regarding the very same lack of control over The Brexit Party as it currently stands.

Why does any of that matter when we have had established party’s ignoring the electorate year after year? Add to that the Brexit Party are not running for U.K. Parliament (yet)
If the electorate are at all concerned with the issues you mention then the Brexit Party will not succeed in the EU elections next week. I suspect that your itemised concerns mean very little
in the face of how brexiteers have been politically treated over the past three years.

[B'stard Child]

TTwiggy said:

crankedup said:

TTwiggy said:

crankedup said:

Odd isn’t it that success always leads to cynicism in the U.K., and yet across the pond it’s applauded.,

But that's not the case here. Regardless of any success he may have had, Farage is a divisive character (among many Leavers too), so any cynicism is a result of his personality, not his achievements.

Play the game, not the man.

That phrase doesn't apply here. I'm stating fact - many people (Remain & Leave) don't like Farage as a person.

As a 55/45 leave voter I agree - Cant's stand him - I will however be voting for TBP in the EU elections and I have spent £25 on membership

I have never joined a political party before

I have pretty much voted Conservative all my Life (except the one time I gave Tory Lite a chance but that was after the Conservative party imploded after Mastricht)

The turd rolled in glitter that is TM/EU deal is not leaving

[Squiddly Diddly]

bhstewie said:

I mean substance.

Sovereignty and Identity are feelings not policies.

I've listened to 15 minutes of him with Marr and I have zero idea what a vote for the Brexit Party gets me in terms of representation.

Anyone can be angry and slag off politicians but if you want my vote I want to know what you're going to do for it, which doesn't seem an unreasonable thing to ask yet Nigel seems to get rather rattled by it.

The website doesn't tell me, Farage won't tell me.

If the only policy they have is "WTO" then fine, but they're going to be making quite a decent living off the MEP's salary so at least be honest about it.

The other parties are hopeless and I have to give him some credit for how he's exploited that fact, but when you take a good hard look at the bloke there's literally nothing there that strikes me as any different to the rest of them.

It's quite bizarre.

None of that matters to leavers who adore him and see him as their savoir.

I detest him.

[Squiddly Diddly]

Manipulation by Farage/Brexit Party?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7034355/B...


I'm surprised the electoral commission permits this logo.

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Squiddly Diddly said:

Manipulation by Farage/Brexit Party?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7034355/B...


I'm surprised the electoral commission permits this logo.

Clearly the guy is totally impartial 😂

He said: 'I hate Brexit. I hate Farage even more. I just voted in the Euro elections (postal) and here's a thing: It's a massive arrow pointing at the box where you mark your X with the word BREXIT written in big font.

Surely the electoral commission should have been more interested in the £9m of tax payers money spent by remain in the first referendum? May have been legal, but certainly not ethical or in the spirit of the law. But hey, let’s concentrate on what is admittedly a clever logo.