Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.
Discussion
crankedup said:
Remainers must be crapping themselves judging by the tirade of mild abuse aimed at the new Brexit Party. They should be concerned as well judging by new membership uptake. Already fools such as Hammond is begging the leave camp within HoC to get behind Mays proposal.
The teasing about the new party by remainers is perfectly valid - but maybe we should not be giving the new party so much free advertising. The issue is they have no policies, will not be able to unlock the HoC and should be out of a job by the end of the year. Thus, the whole premise of the party is questionable.It would be interesting to know what kind of Brexit, the Brexit party are striving for? May's deal, no deal, Corbyn's deal, or 'cake-and-eat-it' deal? It is all a little confusing and typical of Mr Farage dismissing everything, not considering details and relying on soundbites.
What the UK needs is someone intelligent from the Brexit leadership actually leading rather than protesting from the side-lines. Hence, why this distraction of a party does not help - potentially only dividing the Brexit voters. The irrationality of Brexit needs to be put to bed - and then the fate of the country can be decided.
I wonder what would happen if the tories and labour did not put forward any MEP candidates - that would be a shrewd move. (Are they allowed to do that?)
<rambling mode off>
Mike
crankedup said:
p1stonhead said:
crankedup said:
p1stonhead said:
wiggy001 said:
The remainers on this thread have proven that they, like the establishment, have learned nothing in the last few years. You do realise your condescending comments, faux mocking, "man of the people" snide comments and "subtle" suggestions of racism in those that support leaving the EU make you part of the reason people voted to leave?
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Sorry but the Rees-Mogg ‘stick it to the establishment’ and the picture of that crowd is just next level. .
At the moment im not sure he isnt just trolling people who are supporting him and seeing just how far he can push it.
My suspicions will be confirmed if he hires Jon Snow as head of Public Relations.
This election may well bankrupt these new parties, with nothing to show for it.
mike9009 said:
crankedup said:
Remainers must be crapping themselves judging by the tirade of mild abuse aimed at the new Brexit Party. They should be concerned as well judging by new membership uptake. Already fools such as Hammond is begging the leave camp within HoC to get behind Mays proposal.
The teasing about the new party by remainers is perfectly valid - but maybe we should not be giving the new party so much free advertising. The issue is they have no policies, will not be able to unlock the HoC and should be out of a job by the end of the year. Thus, the whole premise of the party is questionable.It would be interesting to know what kind of Brexit, the Brexit party are striving for? May's deal, no deal, Corbyn's deal, or 'cake-and-eat-it' deal? It is all a little confusing and typical of Mr Farage dismissing everything, not considering details and relying on soundbites.
What the UK needs is someone intelligent from the Brexit leadership actually leading rather than protesting from the side-lines. Hence, why this distraction of a party does not help - potentially only dividing the Brexit voters. The irrationality of Brexit needs to be put to bed - and then the fate of the country can be decided.
I wonder what would happen if the tories and labour did not put forward any MEP candidates - that would be a shrewd move. (Are they allowed to do that?)
<rambling mode off>
Mike
I disagree with your assertion that brexit is irrational, as has been stated a thousand times, the majority of electorate wish to leave the EU as a political entity. Plenty of. ountries manage without being in the EU and so can we. Fact is the EU is sinking in a mire of debt and dischord
I believe the U.K. is leaving at just the right time and avoid the inevitable fallout.
mike9009 said:
The teasing about the new party by remainers is perfectly valid - but maybe we should not be giving the new party so much free advertising. The issue is they have no policies, will not be able to unlock the HoC and should be out of a job by the end of the year. Thus, the whole premise of the party is questionable.
It would be interesting to know what kind of Brexit, the Brexit party are striving for? May's deal, no deal, Corbyn's deal, or 'cake-and-eat-it' deal? It is all a little confusing and typical of Mr Farage dismissing everything, not considering details and relying on soundbites.
What the UK needs is someone intelligent from the Brexit leadership actually leading rather than protesting from the side-lines. Hence, why this distraction of a party does not help - potentially only dividing the Brexit voters. The irrationality of Brexit needs to be put to bed - and then the fate of the country can be decided.
I wonder what would happen if the tories and labour did not put forward any MEP candidates - that would be a shrewd move. (Are they allowed to do that?)
<rambling mode off>
Mike
Says you - but he doesn't have to fight the election on the ground laid out by you. I suspect that its absence won't trouble those who want to vote for him. It makes absolute sense for Farage not to lay out a Brexit vision. He doesn't need to. It would be interesting to know what kind of Brexit, the Brexit party are striving for? May's deal, no deal, Corbyn's deal, or 'cake-and-eat-it' deal? It is all a little confusing and typical of Mr Farage dismissing everything, not considering details and relying on soundbites.
What the UK needs is someone intelligent from the Brexit leadership actually leading rather than protesting from the side-lines. Hence, why this distraction of a party does not help - potentially only dividing the Brexit voters. The irrationality of Brexit needs to be put to bed - and then the fate of the country can be decided.
I wonder what would happen if the tories and labour did not put forward any MEP candidates - that would be a shrewd move. (Are they allowed to do that?)
<rambling mode off>
Mike
Anyway, I suspect that the mission now is to lay waste to the main parties.To that end, the purpose of fighting the election is form a coalition to give the main parties a kicking. Why risk antagonising people by adopting any detailed policy position beyond that?
I think Tim Dawson nails the counter-productiveness of the reaction to the BP:
https://twitter.com/Tim_R_Dawson/status/1117054650...
And if the two parties did fail to turn up to fight, that would just add more wind to Farage's sails, wouldn't it? The theme would surely be that the Tories and Labour are too cowardly/arrogant to face the electorate after their doing their Brussels' masters' bidding.
Edited by psi310398 on Saturday 13th April 19:24
crankedup said:
If nothing else the new Brexit Party will help focus the minds of other politicians, or at least should!
I disagree with your assertion that brexit is irrational, as has been stated a thousand times, the majority of electorate wish to leave the EU as a political entity. Plenty of. ountries manage without being in the EU and so can we. Fact is the EU is sinking in a mire of debt and dischord
I believe the U.K. is leaving at just the right time and avoid the inevitable fallout.
I try to choose my wording carefully (normally I disagree with your assertion that brexit is irrational, as has been stated a thousand times, the majority of electorate wish to leave the EU as a political entity. Plenty of. ountries manage without being in the EU and so can we. Fact is the EU is sinking in a mire of debt and dischord
I believe the U.K. is leaving at just the right time and avoid the inevitable fallout.
) and maybe 'irrational' is a little clumsy. Brexit is irrational from my perspective, despite trying to understand other's POV.mike9009 said:
I try to choose my wording carefully (normally ) and maybe 'irrational' is a little clumsy. Brexit is irrational from my perspective, despite trying to understand other's POV.
Vice versa, I just can't get my head around wanting to be bonded to the EU. Funny how it's so divisive. ) and maybe 'irrational' is a little clumsy. Brexit is irrational from my perspective, despite trying to understand other's POV.Polling well for a new party
Currently forecast to get 23% in European elections
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/what-would-a...
Currently forecast to get 23% in European elections
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/what-would-a...
Down and out said:
mike9009 said:
I try to choose my wording carefully (normally ) and maybe 'irrational' is a little clumsy. Brexit is irrational from my perspective, despite trying to understand other's POV.
Vice versa, I just can't get my head around wanting to be bonded to the EU. Funny how it's so divisive. ) and maybe 'irrational' is a little clumsy. Brexit is irrational from my perspective, despite trying to understand other's POV.He does keep interesting company I'll give him that https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ni...
smn159 said:
Who did you have in mind?
No really go and watch a few of his videos and speeches or even go and see him ‘live’
It’s not a difficult concept to grasp Although i accept if you have a ‘degree’ you might not get all of the points he makes but remember there are 17.4 million uneducated up understand what he says.
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