Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[christian-ohtc3]

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

irocfan said:

chrispmartha said:

did your ballot paper say on what terms we would leave the EU?

if you're still bound by the rules of the organisation you're trying to leave then surely you haven't really left?

A country can still be bound to EU rules and not be a part of the EU. Is Norway part of the EU?

Just to be clear, how are you defining "Is"

It’s a fairly simple question, are you struggling with it?

I thought so too, how about answering it?

Answer my own question?

If you so desire, and then answer mine.
Not too bothered which route you take tbh.

You want me to define the word ‘is’ from my question, I understand you’re trying to be clever (and not succeeding).

It’s simple, but I’ll ask it another way for you. Is Norway A member of the European Union?, Is is used to make it a closed question with a yes/no answer.

Thank you, at last.
You chose to try and re define the word " Is" re the Turkey poster.
So quite why you think I'm trying to be clever by asking you to simply define your definition
of the same word used in another context is strange and smacks of hypocrisy.

No Norway is not a member of the EU, however it does pay over €800 million into the EU.
While Turkey, which I believe is to become a member of the EU, but isn't yet, recieves large amounts of €€€€€'s from the EU.

I didn’t try to redefine anything, the quote on the Turkey poster and the use of the word is was in a completely different context as it wasn’t a question.

My question about Norway was a simple question which was easily answered with a yes/no answer. And it was simply to point out that you can not be a member of the EU but still have to comply with it’s rules, so complying with EU rules could still mean the UK has left the EU.

I made no comment on whether it was a good option for us, unlike Farage and Johnson.

I think the poster image was taken in Rigonce Slovenia not Turkey.

[Borghetto]

wc98 said:

hipa certainly doesn't project a good look for remain, that's for sure. at the very least you would think most people would want to know why is katie feckin hopkins the only journalist that has asked femi these questions ?

That may be because a lot of the establishment "journalists" have become cheerleaders for remain.

[Piha]

Tuna said:

Piha said:

I am not familiar with electoral law so I would be most grateful if you would provide a link to the electoral law that Led By Donkeys are "apparently" in breach of?

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/party-or-campaigner/non-party-campaigners/2019-elections

electoral commission said:

If you are an individual or organisation that spends money campaigning in the run-up to the EPEs, but do not stand as a political party or as a candidate, then you may need to register as a non-party campaigner.

You must register as non-party campaigner with us if you spend, or plan to spend, more than £20,000 in England or £10,000 in any of Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland on ‘regulated campaign activity’ during a regulated period. During the regulated period there are rules about how much non-party campaigners can spend on ‘regulated campaign activity’.

For the 2019 European Parliamentary elections (EPEs), the regulated period began on 23 January 2019, and will end on polling day (i.e. 23 May). The regulated period applies retrospectively.

LBD have stated that they spend on average £1000 per billboard, and have put up 255 billboards so far. They are campaigning against one of the parties in the Euro elections and by their own account have spent more than £20,000 (over ten times that limit). As such they should have registered with the Electoral Commission.

Besides the requirement to register, they have not given accounts for the source of their nearly half a million pounds of funding, nor do we actually know who they are. In addition, they may have broken the rules on the amount of spending allowed by non-party campaigners.

Edited by Tuna on Sunday 19th May 12:55

Thanks for the link.

It looks possible LBD may have broken some electoral law and if indeed they have, will face an investigation. I would question what billboards have been used for the election and what billboards were used for other purposes as pointed out by another poster. I would also question the timings of the billboards and party formation dates but I do hope LBD would address any failings in their legal understanding of electoral law and operate within the boundaries set out by the Electoral Commission. Thanks for the heads up though and I have now sent LBD some additional dollars.

In other news it looks like somebody else is raising additional questions about their financing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nig...

Hasn't St Nige got previous form for this?

[chrispmartha]

christian-ohtc3 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

irocfan said:

chrispmartha said:

did your ballot paper say on what terms we would leave the EU?

if you're still bound by the rules of the organisation you're trying to leave then surely you haven't really left?

A country can still be bound to EU rules and not be a part of the EU. Is Norway part of the EU?

Just to be clear, how are you defining "Is"

It’s a fairly simple question, are you struggling with it?

I thought so too, how about answering it?

Answer my own question?

If you so desire, and then answer mine.
Not too bothered which route you take tbh.

You want me to define the word ‘is’ from my question, I understand you’re trying to be clever (and not succeeding).

It’s simple, but I’ll ask it another way for you. Is Norway A member of the European Union?, Is is used to make it a closed question with a yes/no answer.

Thank you, at last.
You chose to try and re define the word " Is" re the Turkey poster.
So quite why you think I'm trying to be clever by asking you to simply define your definition
of the same word used in another context is strange and smacks of hypocrisy.

No Norway is not a member of the EU, however it does pay over €800 million into the EU.
While Turkey, which I believe is to become a member of the EU, but isn't yet, recieves large amounts of €€€€€'s from the EU.

I didn’t try to redefine anything, the quote on the Turkey poster and the use of the word is was in a completely different context as it wasn’t a question.

My question about Norway was a simple question which was easily answered with a yes/no answer. And it was simply to point out that you can not be a member of the EU but still have to comply with it’s rules, so complying with EU rules could still mean the UK has left the EU.

I made no comment on whether it was a good option for us, unlike Farage and Johnson.

I think the poster image was taken in Rigonce Slovenia not Turkey.

You’re thinking of the wrong poster then. There wasn’t a photograph on the poster being discussed.

[gooner1]

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

irocfan said:

chrispmartha said:

did your ballot paper say on what terms we would leave the EU?

if you're still bound by the rules of the organisation you're trying to leave then surely you haven't really left?

A country can still be bound to EU rules and not be a part of the EU. Is Norway part of the EU?

Just to be clear, how are you defining "Is"

It’s a fairly simple question, are you struggling with it?

I thought so too, how about answering it?

Answer my own question?

If you so desire, and then answer mine.
Not too bothered which route you take tbh.

You want me to define the word ‘is’ from my question, I understand you’re trying to be clever (and not succeeding).

It’s simple, but I’ll ask it another way for you. Is Norway A member of the European Union?, Is is used to make it a closed question with a yes/no answer.

Thank you, at last.
You chose to try and re define the word " Is" re the Turkey poster.
So quite why you think I'm trying to be clever by asking you to simply define your definition
of the same word used in another context is strange and smacks of hypocrisy.

No Norway is not a member of the EU, however it does pay over €800 million into the EU.
While Turkey, which I believe is to become a member of the EU, but isn't yet, recieves large amounts of €€€€€'s from the EU.

I didn’t try to redefine anything, the quote on the Turkey poster and the use of the word is was in a completely different context as it wasn’t a question.

My question about Norway was a simple question which was easily answered with a yes/no answer. And it was simply to point out that you can not be a member of the EU but still have to comply with it’s rules, so complying with EU rules could still mean the UK has left the EU.

I made no comment on whether it was a good option for us, unlike Farage and Johnson.

A word doesn't need to have a question mark behind it to require a definition.
Iirc, it was you that required a date for Turkey joining the EU,defined from the
phrase " Turkey is joining the EU"
Btw, I already stated the "is' in your Norway post was in a different context, so your
confirmation is surplus to requirements.

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Piha said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

Piha said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

You and this post neatly sum up where we are at in 2019. First when someone links to a site claiming LBD may be in breach of spending rules, you are unable to respond or dispute that, you just link to a video with some bloke called Femi not debating Guido, just as a stupid diversion.

Now when someone indulges your silly antics in posting a video with Femi looking like a fool, again you have nothing much left to now try and taint because it Hopkins. She is vile, but if she happens to have a valid point or appears in a video and makes Femi look a bit of a fool to the point where they try and stop the interview when uncomfortable on funding questions, it doesn't make anyone a paid-up fan and supportive of anything she's ever said.
Basics like this really shouldn't have to be said, but like I said, your posts neatly sum up where we are at, and it's really not good.

I have asked for further information regarding the subject. And when a question is asked about the Brexit Party and it is ignored? So again;

How does The Brexit Party choose which candidates stand in the EU elections?

Is there any transparency in this decision making process?

Even your answer here is another diversion ! I give up.
Just post your propaganda posters that are fed to you to disseminate.

I'm not surprised you didn't answer the question.

I have no idea how they do it. This question though is totally unrelated to any point on the LBD posters and possible breaking of the rules though, or your other stupid assumption anyone posting a video of Femi looking like a fool in Katie Hopkins interview, is then somehow then a de facto fan of hers and endorses her views, is it ?
Again, you are the master of diversionary bks. Take the hint, even the ardent Remainers here consider your posts an embarrassment.

[wc98]

Borghetto said:

wc98 said:

hipa certainly doesn't project a good look for remain, that's for sure. at the very least you would think most people would want to know why is katie feckin hopkins the only journalist that has asked femi these questions ?

That may be because a lot of the establishment "journalists" have become cheerleaders for remain.

yep, and unwittingly great campaigners for the brexit party.

[chrispmartha]

gooner1 said:

A word doesn't need to have a question mark behind it to require a definition.
Iirc, it was you that required a date for Turkey joining the EU,defined from the
phrase " Turkey is joining the EU"
Btw, I already stated the "is' in your Norway post was in a different context, so your
confirmation is surplus to requirements.

And I’ve explained my definition of Is on that poster numerous times, it has nothing to do with the question I asked about Norway, why not discuss that rather than deflect.

My views about that poster are clear you can obviously disagree with them but it really is tiresome

[S1KRR]

Squiddly Diddly said:

powerstroke said:

Good thinking , I agree ... so for the next GE we will have a cooling off period while we indulge the losing
side and manage expectations then we will have another vote ??? that would work great ???
much better than that pesky FPTP eh !!! sort of like a right on school sports day with no winners or losers ...

Like every 5 years you mean?

We allow the winning side to implement their wishes BEFORE we re-vote in 5 years. Imagine if we DID leave and the sky didn't fall in. What would the LibDems stand for then?

[TeamD]

pgh said:

Are we talking about the LBD “Target Gay People” poster?

On a parallel topic, why does Femi need an American handler to tell him what to say?

No, the "is" debate is () related to Crispys belief that stating "Turkey is joining the EU" was a lie in 2016.

[alfie2244]

pgh said:

Are we talking about the LBD “Target Gay People” poster?

On a parallel topic, why does Femi need an American handler to tell him what to say?

Colleague..........I'm sure he said colleague right at the very end.

[gooner1]

chrispmartha said:

And I’ve explained my definition of Is on that poster numerous times, it has nothing to do with the question I asked about Norway, why not discuss that rather than deflect.

My views about that poster are clear you can obviously disagree with them but it really is tiresome

I have already discussed, or to be precise answered your Norway question.
No deflection on my part, a simple quest for clarification due to previous remarks from
yourself dictated that a definition was in this case perhaps the best course of action.
I'll leave you to your nap now.

[Vanden Saab]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

Derek Smith said:

Rather than quote the whole sub-thread, I'll just quote the last post and summarise the leave campaign.

At no time that I can remember was a hard brexit or no deal brexit discussed by the official leave campaign.

There were mentions of various 'options' - they weren't options of course - available to the UK if we did leave. Norway was mentioned a number of times, as was modified Norway. Then there was Iceland. I'm told that Canada was mentioned as well. Hard brexit was obvious by its absence.

Nowhere on the ballot paper did it discuss the form of brexit. For brexit to mean brexit one can only assume it must mean something that was promised by the official leave campaign.

Johnson never mentioned hard bexit being a possibility. He mentioned Norway almost every time.

I hope that answers your original question.

Makes you wonder why the Remain campaign said the Leave campaign was hard Brexit at almost every turn, plus of course saying leaving on no deal what a distinct possibility. When Boris and Gove said out the single market and out the customs union, this didn't sound like hard brexit to you, but merely Norway ?

I would ask for some evidence for your claims, but from the person who told me it was The Brexit Party policy to ban foreigners talking on trains, I'm not totally sureyou'd provide any more evidence than you did for that ludicrous claim.

Funny that. the treasury analysis published in April 2016 said this.

treasury said:

It is widely accepted that leaving the EU would mean a new relationship based on one of the following models:
• membership of the European Economic Area, like Norway
• a negotiated bilateral agreement, like those of Switzerland, Turkey or Canada, or
• membership of the World Trade Organization without any specific agreement with the EU
No country has been able to negotiate any other sort of deal, and it would not be in the EU’s interest to agree one

What anyone else said is irrelevant everyone knew what they were voting for.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

[chrispmartha]

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

And I’ve explained my definition of Is on that poster numerous times, it has nothing to do with the question I asked about Norway, why not discuss that rather than deflect.

My views about that poster are clear you can obviously disagree with them but it really is tiresome

I have already discussed, or to be precise answered your Norway question.
No deflection on my part, a simple quest for clarification due to previous remarks from
yourself dictated that a definition was in this case perhaps the best course of action.
I'll leave you to your nap now.

Right so if you accept Norway is not a member of the EU but has to abide by some of it’s rules can you accept that ceasing being a member of the EU doesn’t automatically mean the UK will not have to abide by any of its rules?

[Squiddly Diddly]

Vanden Saab said:

Funny that. the treasury analysis published in April 2016 said this.

treasury said:

It is widely accepted that leaving the EU would mean a new relationship based on one of the following models:
• membership of the European Economic Area, like Norway
• a negotiated bilateral agreement, like those of Switzerland, Turkey or Canada, or
• membership of the World Trade Organization without any specific agreement with the EU
No country has been able to negotiate any other sort of deal, and it would not be in the EU’s interest to agree one

What anyone else said is irrelevant everyone knew what they were voting for.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Project fear.

[gooner1]

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

And I’ve explained my definition of Is on that poster numerous times, it has nothing to do with the question I asked about Norway, why not discuss that rather than deflect.

My views about that poster are clear you can obviously disagree with them but it really is tiresome

I have already discussed, or to be precise answered your Norway question.
No deflection on my part, a simple quest for clarification due to previous remarks from
yourself dictated that a definition was in this case perhaps the best course of action.
I'll leave you to your nap now.

Right so if you accept Norway is not a member of the EU but has to abide by some of it’s rules can you accept that ceasing being a member of the EU doesn’t automatically mean the UK will not have to abide by any of its rules?

By the same token, can you accept that " Turkey is joining the EU" was not a lie ?

[chrispmartha]

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

gooner1 said:

chrispmartha said:

And I’ve explained my definition of Is on that poster numerous times, it has nothing to do with the question I asked about Norway, why not discuss that rather than deflect.

My views about that poster are clear you can obviously disagree with them but it really is tiresome

I have already discussed, or to be precise answered your Norway question.
No deflection on my part, a simple quest for clarification due to previous remarks from
yourself dictated that a definition was in this case perhaps the best course of action.
I'll leave you to your nap now.

Right so if you accept Norway is not a member of the EU but has to abide by some of it’s rules can you accept that ceasing being a member of the EU doesn’t automatically mean the UK will not have to abide by any of its rules?

By the same token, can you accept that " Turkey is joining the EU" was not a lie ?

Answering a question with a question again I see.

No ive stated my case and my opinion numerous times that it was a lie and I’m sticking to it, are you going to bring that up constantly because I will answer the same everytime.

The Norway question has nothing to do with that so can you answer the question or not?

[Vanden Saab]

pgh said:

TeamD said:

pgh said:

Are we talking about the LBD “Target Gay People” poster?

On a parallel topic, why does Femi need an American handler to tell him what to say?

No, the "is" debate is () related to Crispys belief that stating "Turkey is joining the EU" was a lie in 2016.

Ah, much obliged.

Good to see the remain side bringing up old news still. Presumably due to being unable to win today’s arguments.

They didn't win the argument 3 years ago either.

[anonymous-user]

A bit of a mixed bag recently
The Eurovision shambles will undoubtedly add to the number of people deciding to vote for the Brexit party
The Brexit Partys election literature looks to be a major own goal
It mentions percentages. well the chances of the average Europhobian understanding what a percentage is fairly remote. In any case they would assume that its something foreign anyway and would be inclined to ignore the section.

[Hoink]

techiedave said:

A bit of a mixed bag recently
The Eurovision shambles will undoubtedly add to the number of people deciding to vote for the Brexit party
The Brexit Partys election literature looks to be a major own goal
It mentions percentages. well the chances of the average Europhobian understanding what a percentage is fairly remote. In any case they would assume that its something foreign anyway and would be inclined to ignore the section.

My mate struggled with the literature but luckily there is an arrow telling him where to stick his cross on the ballot paper.