Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[Elysium]

jsf said:

Elysium said:

I have underlined the part that was a lie as you seem to be struggling to understand it.

Prove they didn't.

I already have. There is plenty of documentary evidence in the posts above and fullfact.org agree in their summary.

As I said - it was a massive lie.

[don'tbesilly]

Elysium said:

Murph7355 said:

Such as?

Remember to ensure that all quotes you post need to be given in full context (Or you could just read up on the other 9 volumes as this is one topic done many times before).

See above. Plus:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britai...

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-abou...

Geez, 35 months after the referendum and you're coming out with stuff that was debunked within weeks of the referendum happening.

Andrew Neil's interview with McGrory was aired in Nov 2016, and that was as hilarious as it was humiliating for McGrory, a real hoot.

The arguments over Farage don't seem to be working, you think going back this far will?

Desperate times for the Remain camp.
Rory Stewart was just on the news stating there wouldn't be a second referendum, and May's 4th attempt with her 'surrender' Treaty is doomed to failure and May will be gone far sooner rather than later.

The next couple of weeks will certainly be interesting.

[irocfan]

alfie2244 said:

I heard Farage say he doesn't trust Boris so no deal if offered.

Well that's one more thing I agree with faraaage on.

[Elysium]

don'tbesilly said:

Elysium said:

Murph7355 said:

Such as?

Remember to ensure that all quotes you post need to be given in full context (Or you could just read up on the other 9 volumes as this is one topic done many times before).

See above. Plus:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britai...

https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-abou...

Geez, 35 months after the referendum and you're coming out with stuff that was debunked within weeks of the referendum happening.

Andrew Neil's interview with McGrory was aired in Nov 2016, and that was as hilarious as it was humiliating for McGrory, a real hoot.

The arguments over Farage don't seem to be working, you think going back this far will?

I was replying to a specific point about things that were said during the referendum campaign. Try to keep up.

Meanwhile ... why are none of you talking about this?

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-party-eu-el...

Are you happy with 30 years of hurt?

[anonymous-user]

Elysium said:

Are you happy with 30 years of hurt?

It's a British tradition, jumpers for goalposts......

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Elysium said:

I was replying to a specific point about things that were said during the referendum campaign. Try to keep up.

Meanwhile ... why are none of you talking about this?

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-party-eu-el...

Are you happy with 30 years of hurt?

You don't seem to understand the Open Britain video you've linked.

[Elysium]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

Elysium said:

I was replying to a specific point about things that were said during the referendum campaign. Try to keep up.

Meanwhile ... why are none of you talking about this?

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-party-eu-el...

Are you happy with 30 years of hurt?

You don't seem to understand the Open Britain video you've linked.

I am sure we could debate for hours the possibility that some of those quotes have been taken out of context etc etc.

I am not interested in that. I replied to one very specific and incorrect statement:

jsf said:

Every single campaigner on both sides told us we would be out of the single market and customs union (hard brexit). It was crystal clear to anyone who saw any of the debates and programmes, the UK voted to leave in with that information.

[Otis Criblecoblis]

Elysium said:

Otis Criblecoblis said:

Elysium said:

I was replying to a specific point about things that were said during the referendum campaign. Try to keep up.

Meanwhile ... why are none of you talking about this?

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-party-eu-el...

Are you happy with 30 years of hurt?

You don't seem to understand the Open Britain video you've linked.

I am sure we could debate for hours the possibility that some of those quotes have been taken out of context etc etc.

I am not interested in that. I replied to one very specific and incorrect statement:

jsf said:

Every single campaigner on both sides told us we would be out of the single market and customs union (hard brexit). It was crystal clear to anyone who saw any of the debates and programmes, the UK voted to leave in with that information.

If you stick by any of that video you cite as evidence, I'd say you would listen to any anti Brexiters rubbish without thinking, and easily swayed by pure propaganda - there isn't even a 5 min debate , let alone hours.

[Elysium]

Otis Criblecoblis said:

If you stick by any of that video you cite as evidence, I'd say you would listen to any anti Brexiters rubbish without thinking, and easily swayed by pure propaganda - there isn't even a 5 min debate , let alone hours.

I am happy to base my opinion on the fullfact.org entry on the matter

[John145]

Elysium said:

I am happy to base my opinion on the fullfact.org entry on the matter

So confirmatory referendum Deal vs No Deal. Pointless referendum as everyone knows which will win.

[Robertj21a]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Great to see that Remainers have learned absolutely nothing about why they lost the 2016 referendum. Just pile on more of the same chaps!

"Self-serving egotists with dodgy financial backers" Says Tony Blair, net worth tens of millions, some of which is from lecturing about how he joined and lost a useless war.

"Incompetent buffoons who make baseless predictions" says Mark Carney, who was so sure sterling would collapse he cut interest rates to make sure it did, and accidentally boosted the economy.

"False prophets, who make wild promises they can't deliver" says George Osborne, who was so against leaving he actually threatened to do something sensible (cutting spending) in his emergency budget if we voted Leave. Then didn't.

"Xenophobic racists" say Change UK, who lost 2 candidates in 24 hours over crass drivel that I wouldn't even dignify with the term racism, what with the -ism suggesting at least some system of idiocy.

"Can't we all just come together and discuss it respectfully?" Laments Anna Soubry whose allies have spent much of the last 3 years deriding leavers as thick, racist hicks whose votes can be safely ignored because they'll soon be dead.

"They broke the rules" say the people who spent millions of pounds of public money on remain propaganda, politicised the civil service and enlisted the President of the United States to campaign with them.

"Disaster capitalists" says anyone who George Soros pays to say it.

The great Bregret, which the BBC and others have been hunting high and low for since about 5am on the morning of the referendum result has remained elusive and "despite Brexit" has become a joke, so often has it been forced through gritted teeth as the economy has defied their grim predictions.


Keep up the good work! Maybe the next revelation that Boris Johnson shouted at his dog or one more shock link to Putin when Farage orders a vodka will finally bring us to our senses.

Pray that it does, because if not you will sooner or later have to face up to the facts - and we know how you love facts - that nobody believes your credible politicians anymore, your experts have made a series of massive blunders and your centre ground has become extremely unattractive to a massive number of people who you have ignored then insulted and now seek to betray.

Well worth a re-post !

[gooner1]

Morning all.


I see those that are fed by donkeys are still in denial about what leaving the EU means.
Oh well more straw for the straw men, please donkeys.

Squiddly, we need a neutral to muck out the stalls. Do you know anyone?

[FiF]

Lol His Nigelness just tweeted about Andrew Marr having 5 Remainers and no Leaver on yesterday. Pointed out they don't have a manifesto yet but that the BBC licence fee might have just got on the agenda.

Meanwhile

How voters have moved from 2017 to now. Ouch, though it's not a fair comparison as in Westminster actual vote vs specifically Westminster vote intentions I think.

Edited by FiF on Monday 20th May 08:42

[Squiddly Diddly]

gooner1 said:

Morning all.


I see those that are fed by donkeys are still in denial about what leaving the EU means.
Oh well more straw for the straw men, please donkeys.

Squiddly, we need a neutral to muck out the stalls. Do you know anyone?

After your example yesterday I would be fearful of clogging up the board with petty one-upmanship and endless nested quotes, so no.

[gooner1]

Squiddly Diddly said:

gooner1 said:

Morning all.


I see those that are fed by donkeys are still in denial about what leaving the EU means.
Oh well more straw for the straw men, please donkeys.

Squiddly, we need a neutral to muck out the stalls. Do you know anyone?

After your example yesterday I would be fearful of clogging up the board with petty one-upmanship and endless nested quotes, so no.

Oh well if my taking a hit in your popularity stakes has finally led to your admittance
of non neutrality, then it's a price well worth paying.
EFA.

Edited by gooner1 on Monday 20th May 08:33

[technodup]

Derek Smith said:

There were mentions of various 'options' - they weren't options of course - available to the UK if we did leave. Norway was mentioned a number of times, as was modified Norway. Then there was Iceland. I'm told that Canada was mentioned as well. Hard brexit was obvious by its absence.

For fairly obvious reasons I normally avoid Brexit threads, but surely the point is that other options may have been available had we a Brexiteer in charge and/or a tougher negotiating stance?

As it was with Remainer May and Remainer Robbins and Remainers Tom, Dick and Harry, with the added issue of her being fking useless, we were on a hiding to nothing from the start.

[Squiddly Diddly]

technodup said:

or fairly obvious reasons I normally avoid Brexit threads, but surely the point is that other options may have been available had we a Brexiteer in charge and/or a tougher negotiating stance?

As it was with Remainer May and Remainer Robbins and Remainers Tom, Dick and Harry, with the added issue of her being fking useless, we were on a hiding to nothing from the start.

May set her stall out very early in several brexit speeches across Europe. She wanted a close and unique relationship with the EU for the UK. That is exactly what she has done.

Perhaps Farage and the likes should have been stating back then that was not what leavers wanted?

[Cohen123]

Robertj21a said:

Well worth a re-post !

This is my favourite from that brilliant post

"Incompetent buffoons who make baseless predictions" says Mark Carney, who was so sure sterling would collapse he cut interest rates to make sure it did, and accidentally boosted the economy.

Experts, eh?

[hyphen]

Terrible interview by one of the other founder of the Brexit party on radio 4's Today programme this morning.

He was asked if the party was accepting foreign money, he just wouldn't give a proper answer.

He could have easily said several different things, such as donations from expats and so on.

But instead came across shady.

[Murph7355]

Squiddly Diddly said:

May set her stall out very early in several brexit speeches across Europe. She wanted a close and unique relationship with the EU for the UK. That is exactly what she has done.

Perhaps Farage and the likes should have been stating back then that was not what leavers wanted?

I guess nobody ever envisaged the leader of a nation to come up with a deal even more biased towards the EU than being a fully paid up member. It certainly wasn't ever mentioned by a Leaver (though plenty of Remainers noted we already have the best deal... May just wanted to try and underscore that)

We live and learn.

Bring on a managed no deal. Then we can all get on with the serious stuff in life. Like cars.