Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party.

[chrispmartha]

La Liga said:

TTwiggy said:

La Liga said:

I was highlighting where you said 'actual violence', as if this wasn't.

Bit of a flawed game to try and pick and choose thresholds, but each to their own.

I could have lied and said I condemn it. I could have avoided the question altogether. Only on here is one rounded on for having the courage to tell the truth.

I expected a more nuanced view from you to be honest.

If that's your view, that's your view. Just because the law says X and Y doesn't mean it's necessarily right.

I personally think it's clear we should condemn someone for throwing a milkshake on another who is going about their lawful business, as opposed to linking condemnation with the severity of the assault (which has an element of chance attached to it).

You're quite right to be honest about your views.

Why does he have to condemn anything? it's up to him surely, if he chooses not to be particularly fussed about the incident, why would you care?

We will all have different levels of giving a toss, and yes I'm sure that is influenced but personal feelings or political leanings.

Some people may think it's funny, it's only a milkshake and a fuss about nothing, some might be fuming and think it's a horrific attack.

And of course severity of attack will come into whether people condemn it or not, that's human nature surely.

[Pesty]

Burger king should be charged with incitement

[Down and out]

I expect they'll be more of this as it's slipping away from them. Basically it's an adult tantrum.

[Piha]

Leicester Loyal said:

Piha said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Piha said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Piha said:

Oh my days....!!!!!

I have just seen the terrible news. I do condemn this violent act. I might not agree with St Nige's politics but I don't think he deserves some banana and salted caramel 5 Guys milkshake down his top. I hope he hasn't been overly traumatised by this hurtful episode.



"That's a pretty f***ing good milkshake. I don't know if it's worth £5.25 but it's pretty f***ing good"



I understand they captured the miscreant.



Luckily St Nige had a large number of security staff with him but how on earth did they let the perp' through? Questions need to be asked and answers delivered.

Hopefully he will be able to return unhurt to his election campaign.

Yes laugh about it, but one day it won't be a milkshake, it will be something worse.

No politician should have to endure this stuff, not May, not Corbyn, not Farage, not Soubry, no-one.

Who is laughing about this heinous unwarranted attack?

You were quite clearly being sarcastic with some of your sentences there. We all know it. Let's hope you're never the victim of a common assault.

You really are making things up and in doing so you make yourself look foolish. But please carry on if it excites you.

'I hope he hasn't been overly traumatised by this hurtful episode'

'Hopefully he will be able to return unhurt to his election campaign.'

Your views are your own but I feel a little upset that you display such mistrust in your fellow man. Why would anyone want to physically hurt someone due to their politics is beyond me and it appears to me, that it is you that lacks true empathy for your fellow human beings. Assault can inflict more than just physical injuries to the injured party.

[wc98]

SeeFive said:

My condolences chap. Is your financial situation related to continuing care assessments?

What a shambles that is between NHS and LA’s. Basically, both will try to avoid any assessment that means they will have to pay for CHV. Been fighting one on a medical basis for 2 years now. Sadly, the relative died (related to poor response to health conditions clearly stated on the assessment but ignored in the DST scoring - ‘cos that means they have to pay for it and not the family) but even using their own Decision Support Tool and their own DST evidence against them, it is not resolved and at NHS England level now.

The funny thing was the local resolution meeting, when there was supposed to be a CHC Chair there, a note taker, and the assessment nurse. We rolled up at the meeting and were presented with a note taker, the senior nurse (manager) of the person who wrote the duff assessment and the same guy acting as the CHC Chair! Naturally it was a waste of time meeting with a pre-determined outcome, but he did have to concede many of the assessment categories and upgrade them. Corrupt to the core, and many more examples of corruption, whitewashing, scapegoating and waste of resources during her time in the service.

All I hear from her is “this would never happen in my ward” when visiting folks. Either she wouldn’t let it happen, or when junior, matron would really come down hard on some of the lax practices today.

That reminds me, I must chase up NHS England as they are 5 months late responding to us!

thanks,i think we probably could have got my mother in law a place in a care home had we gone that route but neither of us wanted that .after seeing the poor standard of care my grandfather in particular received in a home and even though there were family friends working in the home my grandmother went into it still hit her hard living with people she didn't know.

the financial situation was our own making, due to changing work situation for one of us to make sure someone could always be there when required. the local council did their best with carers but they don't have the budget for more than about 20 mins in the morning and evening .as you appear to know once you get beyond the medical and care staff at the coal face ,who mostly do sterling work under a lot of pressure, no one seems to want to know.

i have to say the ms society were a great help at times and the local housing association that she rented from were the most competent and professional uk organisation i have ever dealt with, so it wasn't all hard going.

[arfursleep]

Don't agree with Farage's politics or methods (he's certainly guilty of plenty of incitement) but chucking anything at him, or any other politician or public figure, is wrong. Hopefully are perps will be dealt with full force of law.

[chrispmartha]

Leicester Loyal said:

Piha said:

Oh my days....!!!!!

I have just seen the terrible news. I do condemn this violent act. I might not agree with St Nige's politics but I don't think he deserves some banana and salted caramel 5 Guys milkshake down his top. I hope he hasn't been overly traumatised by this hurtful episode.



"That's a pretty f***ing good milkshake. I don't know if it's worth £5.25 but it's pretty f***ing good"



I understand they captured the miscreant.



Luckily St Nige had a large number of security staff with him but how on earth did they let the perp' through? Questions need to be asked and answers delivered.

Hopefully he will be able to return unhurt to his election campaign.

Yes laugh about it, but one day it won't be a milkshake, it will be something worse.

No politician should have to endure this stuff, not May, not Corbyn, not Farage, not Soubry, no-one.

Would you consider this or any verbal abuse being investigated a waste of police time?

[anonymous-user]

chrispmartha said:

La Liga said:

TTwiggy said:

La Liga said:

I was highlighting where you said 'actual violence', as if this wasn't.

Bit of a flawed game to try and pick and choose thresholds, but each to their own.

I could have lied and said I condemn it. I could have avoided the question altogether. Only on here is one rounded on for having the courage to tell the truth.

I expected a more nuanced view from you to be honest.

If that's your view, that's your view. Just because the law says X and Y doesn't mean it's necessarily right.

I personally think it's clear we should condemn someone for throwing a milkshake on another who is going about their lawful business, as opposed to linking condemnation with the severity of the assault (which has an element of chance attached to it).

You're quite right to be honest about your views.

Why does he have to condemn anything? it's up to him surely, if he chooses not to be particularly fussed about the incident, why would you care?

We will all have different levels of giving a toss, and yes I'm sure that is influenced but personal feelings or political leanings.

Some people may think it's funny, it's only a milkshake and a fuss about nothing, some might be fuming and think it's a horrific attack.

And of course severity of attack will come into whether people condemn it or not, that's human nature surely.

I didn't say he has to. You've literally quoted my posts which say, "Each to their own", and, "If that's your view, that's your view".

Severity does matter, of course, but there's an element of chance to what which exposes someone linking condemnation to inconsistency e.g. milkshake thrown nothing else happens. Milkshake thrown, Farage falls over whilst reacting and smashes his head into the floor causing a more serious injury etc.

[And then she]

Why was it an expensive Five Guys milkshake...?

Because: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/18/uk/mcdonalds-ni...

[wc98]

FiF said:

5% of nursing places are unfilled, a big issue is the funding, ie ending of bursaries and student loans being the route. Consider that a significant proportion of students going into nursing and health care roles are career changers / returnees to education. The argument for student loans is that this helps to improve student earning potential and mobility within the workplace, not much use for someone who is already settled in an area, with a family and going into a profession that is known for not being generously paid.

So my manifesto would include reintroduction of nursing bursaries but with more stringent selection criteria probably being required.

[ClaphamGT3]

Frankly, the way to deal with Farage is to call him out for his lies, for his grubby fiddling of expenses, for his crooked donations and for his determination to do serious harm to the UK.

There’s more than enough to go out without wasting a fiver’s worth of milkshake on him

[Leicester Loyal]

chrispmartha said:

Would you consider this or any verbal abuse being investigated a waste of police time?

I don't personally think verbal abuse should be investigated (although it was in the Soubry case). This is common assault though, and should be investigated if need be.

[SeeFive]

wc98 said:

thanks,i think we probably could have got my mother in law a place in a care home had we gone that route but neither of us wanted that .after seeing the poor standard of care my grandfather in particular received in a home and even though there were family friends working in the home my grandmother went into it still hit her hard living with people she didn't know.

the financial situation was our own making, due to changing work situation for one of us to make sure someone could always be there when required. the local council did their best with carers but they don't have the budget for more than about 20 mins in the morning and evening .as you appear to know once you get beyond the medical and care staff at the coal face ,who mostly do sterling work under a lot of pressure, no one seems to want to know.

i have to say the ms society were a great help at times and the local housing association that she rented from were the most competent and professional uk organisation i have ever dealt with, so it wasn't all hard going.

Well done that man.

For 3 years my brother looked after his wife at home too. It wasn’t until she had a sudden complicating condition which meant that she required 24 hour nursing care that we managed to persuade him that it was not in her best interests to consider continuing when she got out of hospital.

The standard of care she received in the care home was excellent. They managed to turn around the poor NHS care which led to a serious deterioration in her condition whilst she was in hospital to some extent, but the damage was done. She did succumb to complications brought in by her issues after about 9 months in care though, unfortunately the care home could not perform miracles. I spoke to the care manager at the home when she arrived, and he could not believe the condition she was in. He thought that they had simply “sent her there to die”, but they did their best to help her have better quality of life and it was appreciated.

[anonymous-user]

ClaphamGT3 said:

There’s more than enough to go out without wasting a fiver’s worth of milkshake on him

Loads of PHers have already wasted £25 on him. Just to stick it to their enemies in a completely pointless EU election.

[TeamD]

El stovey said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

There’s more than enough to go out without wasting a fiver’s worth of milkshake on him

Loads of PHers have already wasted £25 on him. Just to stick it to their enemies in a completely pointless EU election.

It's their money, they can do as they wish with it.

[wc98]

pgh said:

And news of yet more dodgy funding on the remain side:

https://order-order.com/2019/05/20/peoples-vote-to...

along with gordon brown calling for investigation into the brexit party funding ,that has given me a laugh. yes, this gordon brown https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/12/n... .have to hand it to politicians, no one does hypocrisy as well as they do it.

Edited by wc98 on Monday 20th May 17:25

[JuanCarlosFandango]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Frankly, the way to deal with Farage is to call him out for his lies, for his grubby fiddling of expenses, for his crooked donations and for his determination to do serious harm to the UK.

There’s more than enough to go out without wasting a fiver’s worth of milkshake on him

Working great so far!

[Down and out]

El stovey said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

There’s more than enough to go out without wasting a fiver’s worth of milkshake on him

Loads of PHers have already wasted £25 on him. Just to stick it to their enemies in a completely pointless EU election.

5x milkshake for democracy = bargain.

[Borghetto]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Frankly, the way to deal with Farage is to call him out for his lies, for his grubby fiddling of expenses, for his crooked donations and for his determination to do serious harm to the UK.

There’s more than enough to go out without wasting a fiver’s worth of milkshake on him

We're just lucky our Westminster politicians aren't all screwing their expences.

[bitchstewie]

As much as I dislike Farage, throwing stuff at politicians isn't the answer as it just escalates and we all know what happened during the Brexit referendum.